Single shots suck......

[New Hampshire]

......at least thats what the idiot at work thinks.  Im getting real tired defending single shots to the idiots who dont know any better.  Its one thing for a preson without any knowledge to say something, then you correct them and everything is fine.  Its another when they swear to high hell that they NEED a repeating weapon to hunt with because a single shot is so slow to reload.  "Well try making your first shot better" Response "BAH!"  "Oh yeah, my single shot Encore can be reloaded quicker than you think.  I may not be as fast as a bolt gunner but it can be done quicker than you will probably notice.  But its all moot if you learn to hit your target right the first time and not take stupid shots."  Response "BAH!."
He retorts "they just aint as deadly."  My response "Hey buddy stand at 100 yards looking at me with my Single shot in hand and tell me I aint deadly looking."
That about shuts him up.  The guy pissed me off too because he asked for advice about getting a new shotgun to replace his ratty old Mossberg about to fall apart.   Strictly to be used as a deer gun.  I told him to stick with the big three, Mossberg, Winchester or Remington with the Rem my top pick.  He complains he cant focus past 40 yards.  I say great, get the bbl with the scope mount on it and you can see deer at 100 yards and take them, depending.  He says "Ahh friggin slugs are like knuckleballs, you probably couldnt hit anything that far anyways."  I told him I was talking about Rifled shotgun bbls.  I told him they were close to, if not as accurate, as a rifle.  So whats he do?  He tells me he is getting a Mossberg Tactical shotgun with ghost ring sights, smothbore bbl.....and extended Magazine :roll: .  Oh well, he claims to be a trophy hunter, yet he has only shot three deer in something like 10 years.  Cant blame him though, those Trophy whitetail bucks that sit within 40 yards and are big enough to hit with a knuckleball are pretty rare  :-D  :-D  :-D .
I got nothing against your repeater......as long as you aint got nothing against my SS.  
Brian M.

[Thomas Krupinski]

Ask for a transfer or find another job, life is too short to work with idiots anyway!

[Double D]

Hey we all know our personal limitations and skill levels, he obviously knows his...Don't argue with him.

[skb2706]

On those rare occasions when I have used a bolt rifle in the past few years I never put more than one round in them either. Force of habit I suppose..........your friend would really bum on that.
Hunting the "big three" here in Colorado I have been successful several years using a total of three shots while actually hunting. You could clue your friend in that here in CO they grow much bigger............

[RonF]

I have to disagree with skb.  From the way you describe your friend, I don't think he'll recognize any clues.  :-D

RonF

[DaddyPaul]

I fired my Encore 7 times last deer season.  Now there are 7 deer in my freezer and septic tank!  I have fired my Encore 2 times this turkey season.  There are now 2 turkeys in my freezer, none in the septic tank.  Hadn't had time to cook any yet!


Any Questions?

[skb2706]

not from me there isn't..........nice lookin birds there Paul. My 11 year old son shoots a bolt 22-250 rifle and has for a few years......I never told him it holds more than one round. I expect he knows but he also knows I expect him to hit with the one he has.

[New Hampshire]

Thanks guys, testamonials are an amazing thing.......you cant argue with them  :-D .
Brian M.

[Maine Woods]

Hey Paul great picture ! nice birds !  NH.  i've heard allot of the same crap, I also get tired of it . some of those folks I have converted and now own single shots, ( not most though ) My favorite is when they call the SS a Pipe gun. I learned to to shoot and hunt with a single shot , I am glad I did, I think everyone should!

[les hemby]

i dont have much to add, but i can see i am not the only one that puts one shell at a time in by bolt action ( never needed 2 ).This aint combat. Speeds fine but accuracys final  :wink: i will also say this. some people dont know that much about guns. Your friend has picked probably my last choice for a deer shotgun, But you can never have a battle of wits with a un-armed person. It is a waste of time. Given your choice at 100yds i would rather be shot at with his DEER shotgun than your single shot.       also i would find someone a little more knowledgeable to hold my gun conversations with(i really like to learn)

[newfalguy101]

I hear the same kind of garbage about my semi-autos, some idiots tend to think that just because I have 4 rounds in the mag that I NEED all 4!!

Bah I say, I have used both single-shots and semi's and so far the second shots have been (for the most part anyway) nothing more than insurance.

I say why argue with your co-worker, sounds like he is a genious of the highest caliber and you should take everything he says as the absolute truth.   Just ask em I bet he will confirm what I just said   :grin:  :grin:

[skb2706]

Given your friends choice of weapon I am quite sure the deer in NH feel much safer at any range than if say for example, he armed himself with any knowledge at all about hunting/shooting.

[onesonek]

There's no cure for the "clueless" :lol:

[jeff223]

i know this is the TC forum but i just have to reply.i listen to the same crap all the time too.its fun to show some of these guys a picture of your game and you are holding a singleshot.

this is my son but he used my singleshot

[New Hampshire]

Quite alright Jeff, this thread applies to all us "one bangers."  That there is one pretty buck your son shot.  Is that an NEF or H&R?  What caliber?  Im just curious.  My buddy wants a single shot too.  He would love a T/C Encore like mine, but his budget is substantially less.  He is thinking of an NEF as he already has a Pardner shotgun he passed on to his kid.  See, Im already making converts to the "single shot club!"  
Brian M.

[mellow_1]

In response to your problem. I would say agree with him..... yep buddy you need at least a few shots to be affective in the field, BUT when you become a good hunter you can move UP to a single shot. There not for novices you know...

[onesonek]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: that will get him below the belt

[jrcanoe]

A pack of wild dogs was in our sewage treatment pond area killing our goats; I disbatched them with a lever action 45colt. This is the only time in my life I needed anything other than a single shot. I use this same gun when walking around our pig infested property but hunt them from a stand with a single shot from a stand. If your not in a position to be mowed over and mauled their is just no need for a repeater, a single shot is quick enough to reload. I once bet a friend of mine that I could hit a paper plate 5 times with my contender carbine before he could with his bolt. He got off five shots quicker but when my 5th shot put my 5th hole in the plate he still needed a hole in his plate. During deer season I am constantly laughing or afraid when I here bang pause bang,bang,bang; you know the last three were out of anger. More than once I have shot a 2nd deer with my H@R when it came back to see what happened to it's buddy. Even a machine gun wouldn't put more meat in the freezer.

[TnEncore]

The guy is just plain stupid, if he is thinking about a second shot before he shoots his first he will probably need it. The only time a single shot hurts is when you got a pack of coyotes coming in :grin: . But I have got off a second shot on them before.

[Questor]

He's probably just doing it to rattle your cage. As you already know, there isn't much disadvantage to using a single shot. I know it. You know it. Most of the regulars here know it. The truth is with you, so don't sweat it.

A lot of the bad opinions of single shots is probably rooted in disdainful impressions formed in the past, like from the 1930s to the 1970s, when single shots were typically of low quality, and considered low cost entry-level guns that were to be discarded as soon as you could upgrade to something decent.

[New Hampshire]

OK folks sit back, your gonna enjoy todays tale.
I wanna start out by saying that this guy is as serious as a heart attack.  He is either telling what he honestly believes or he is an oscar caliber actor.
He comes down today and begins thumbing through my issue of American Rifleman.  He opens up on an ad for Benellis new (1014?) Semi auto shotgun that they are making for the Marine Corps.  They are offering copies for civilians.  So here we are talking and we somehow get on the subject of magazine extensions for Semi-auto shotguns, you know your standard variety offered from almost ANY shooting supplier.  I showed him a +3 round extension for the 870/100/11-87 listed for $31.10 in Natchez.  He kinda mumbles out "thats cool, makes the gun more efficient."  Alright, I must have had the damned funniest confused look on my face.  He looks at and says "what?"  "are you serious?"  "Yeah it makes it more efficient.....right?"  Now HE has the confused look on his face.  "Why do you think it makes it more efficient?"  "Well if you own a gun you want to make it to its potential, Right?  SO by adding extra rounds your gun becomes more efficient...right?"  "Why the hell would more rounds make the gun more efficient?"  OK stand back because here comes the funny part....."Well say your out deer hunting, and there is a coyote over there and a porccupine over there you can shot the deer, then the coyote and then the porccupine real fast without diddling around like with a bolt gun or a lever action."  "You shoot at a deer every other animal within a mile will be kicking its heels outa there long before you get to shoot at crap, besides that does not explain how a mag extension is gonna make things more efficient for you."  I even went on to tell him that a good boltgunner could empty his gun faster than he could blink.  "Yeah well those are the guys who practice."  "Of course, every hunter should be practicing."  "Oh yeah, they got the time and money they can afford to shoot all the time."  I then informed him that one 20 round box a month and an hours worth of time would be a good start for practice and if he could not afford the time or money for that then how can he afford the time and money to hunt.  I told him "There are too many idiots out there that pack their guns away after deer season and dont touch the thing till they are getting ready to start hunting the following year.  Alot of these idiots dont even take the time to check zero!  How you gonna know if you can even hit what your aiming at!?"  That kinda shut him up on that.  
So we are sitting there a few more minutes when he mumbles something again about shotguns.  I forget what I said, but I mumbled back "But like I said you HSOULD get a rifle."  "I keep telling you I wanna hunt shotgun only territory."  Now the shotgun only territory here in NH is one WMU that contains the bulk of our "Cities" or as much as you can call them cities.  YES there are deer in this territory, but the pressure from other hunters is high and the open territory proper for "safe" hunting practices is getting harder to find as it slowly disappears.  SO I asked honestly "why you so hung up on Shotgun only territory?"  "Because I dont wanna drive friggin hours to go hunting.....I like driving ten minutes and thats it."  "Dude take that ten minutes, go the opposite direction and you are in rifle territory, go to Clough state park."  Now Ive fished that state park many times, My Aunt and Uncle live 5 minutes from it, so I KNOW how long it takes to get there.   Well he starts screaming to high heaven that Im lying, that it takes 45 minutes AT LEAST to get there.  No matter what I tell him he wont believe me that he can be there in 25 minutes.  My work partner/hunting buddy went to look at a house in Hillsboro, which Clough state park is probably only 2/3 the distance Hillsboro is from where we are, it took him 45 minutes to get to Hillsboro.  He did not even believe that I could get to another state park, the place I shot my deer this year, in 30 minutes even though Id been there 5 or 6 times in 2 months!  This guy is obviously thick headed and wont listen to reason.  I finaly gave up by telling "Dud you need to go get George Renos compass from him cuz your friggin lost....."  And all he could do is chuckle in the high pitched squeelie voice of his.  All I can say is thank god I aint nowheres near him when HE is hunting.
Brian M.

[jeff223]

New Hampshire,that gun my son has in his hands is a NEF Handi Rifle with a 20ga Ultra slug barrel on it.it has a heavy bull type barrel.its a great great shooter with Federal Barnes Expander slugs.i have killed many bucks with it.

by the way i will soon be a Thompson Center G2 Contender owner. :grin: i ordered a handgun frame last week,but i didnt order a  barrel yet.i must decide what caliber to get.i need a straight walled case and then i can hunt deer with it here in the shotgun zone in Michigan.i always wanted an Encore or Contender.i got the pistol frame so i can shoot it as a pistol and i can change it to a rifle.

[New Hampshire]

Good luck with the G2.  I had started out hunting with a Remington 870 Economy model I bought from Wal-Mart for about $275.  I could only afford one gun to do double duty at the time.  When I got my first deer and decided that I was hooked and in for the long haul I decided to take my income tax check for the next year and buy my first "hunting" rifle.  I tossed around which one I wanted for a while.  It had started out as a Marlin .45/70 full size.  I was pretty sure that was what I was gonna get.  Then I began thinking that I could buy myself a "hold-me-over-till" gun and was thinking about a NEF.  It was then that it dawned on me....."Hey moron why not skip the Marlin and get an Encore?"  And the rest is pleasant history.  Ive been a T/C owner for barely a month now and I cant be any happier with my purchase.  I hope you will be too   .
Brian M.