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Offline EdSmith

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« on: March 19, 2004, 08:24:13 PM »
any one make a richards or mason conversion ? I want to try on a few guns I have. 51 colt  58 rem. ROA would like to hear from anyone who has or knows where I can find drawings. Thanks ahead of time
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2004, 06:34:25 AM »
There are replica conversions available..  I've seen them in Cabelas I think..  I have never seen prints or drawings for these older weapons..
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2004, 05:38:59 PM »
Anvil Enterprize has plans for the 51' navy for 19.95$ I think.  I've got a set ordered, but have heard they are not that great as far as exact measurements.  I'm mainly getting the plans to make building the ejector and loading gate latch a little eaiser to build.

I did convert a 51 navy to 38 long colt.  The cylinder's to short for 38 special.  I've prof fired 38 long colt smokless, but it needs to be shot with black powder only.  I basicly cut down the cylinder and bored through and reamed the chambers for 38 ammo.  It takes a little lathe and mill work.  I mainly did it to see if I could and to practice with my new mill/lathe.  And milled out a breach plate and atacted a firing pin to the hammer.  Still need to cut a loading port and ejector and loading gate latch.

I have 61' navy I converted with the Kirst Konverter and that one will be a match gun in CAS.  The only thing about it that bugs me is lack of engraving on the cylinder.  Need to make ejector and loading gate latch for it also.

Kirst also makes a drop in cylinder for the ROA and the Remington army and navy pistols.

Also you need hollow base ammo or else sleve the cylinder to .357, the original bore is somthing like 375 or so.

If you count your time as labor you'd be better off getting a Cimmeron conversion in 38 special and buy ammo in bulk for around a nickle a shot.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2004, 06:06:40 PM »
thanks for the info on the anvil site, i ordered a copy, I like doing these kind of things, I am retired so time dont enter into it. I have a mini mill and a 7x12 lathe and a unimat3 with milling head.I reload and cast my own bullets. I have converted a peitia 1873 cap&ball back to 45 ctg. its in my nature to mess with things. I just cant seem to leave things alone. remember if it aint broke you aint trying hard enough.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2004, 08:31:18 PM »
I know what you mean, though I realy don't have the time I still like screwing around.

Though for the 36 cal if I do any more it will be a Kirst Konverter.  Modern gun steel cylinder, and a ready made breach plate, though turning and boring the cylinder down was pretty simple and quik.  Though the plate does need a loading gate to keep any rounds from falling back and jaming the actiona and to make it authentic.

I ever get time and the gun I've got plans to convert a colt dragoon to 45 colt
Check out this site for a dragoon conversion

 http://www.hobbygunsmith.com/Archives.htm
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2004, 04:23:44 PM »
Although the Kirst converter for the 51/61 Navy is marked 38LC, that is the cartridge it will chamber with a full length bullet load.  It will chamber and fire 38 hollowbase wadcutters with ease, and that's all I shoot in mine.  The Hollowbase wadcutter is seated flush with the case mouth, so it is short enough to chamber.  The cylinder will actually chamber a 357 magnum case with a full wadcutter bullet as well, I tried it.  Unless you shoot the hollowbase bullet, it will not shoot accurately without relining the bore to 357.  Mine shoot hollowbase bullets as accurately through the 375/36bore as a modern 38 special revolver does.  If the brass is relatively fresh and the load is right (3.1 or 3.2 of Bullseye, 231 or Titegroup), the cases expand and stay in the chambers without slipping back and jamming, in most guns.  A friend has two that slip back every time, and mine does not.  The only difference I can determine is that his chambers were polished better than mine, so are probably more slippery.  We swapped ammo and it made no difference.  The 38 special with a HBWC will probably expand better and stick in the chamber better than 38LC, but that's just a guess.  I have designed and intend to build a loading gate for the Kirst.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2004, 08:46:33 PM »
thanks for the info,Flint I think I will try the 38 specials,I have a bunch of them,if the factory barrel dont shoot well,I will put a liner in it.I have R&D cylinder for my ROA but havent had chance to shoot it,it has to warm up some first,its cold here in maine.give a post when you get the loading gate finished
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2004, 05:05:47 AM »
Have you found a source of .357 barrel liners?
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2004, 10:35:07 AM »
Will, the numrich catalog has just about any kind of barrel or liner you would want,and the price is right
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2004, 02:51:33 PM »
thanks Ed, I'll check them out.
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