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« on: March 21, 2004, 03:39:22 AM »
Hey guys, I just  picked up a nice 12 ga. SB1 with a smooth bore slug barrel(used).It`s a pretty typical NEF gun but with something i`ve never come across.In the wooden butt stock it has a place to store two 12 ga. shells.The shells slip into a slot milled in the right side of the stock.There is a spring loaded plunger down in the hole in the middle of the stock(where the bolt to hold the stock is).I thought there weren`t many variations of these guns I hadn`t seen,but here`s another.This looks like something from the factory or some one did a really nice job.Just wonder if anyone has seen one of these??????
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2004, 04:04:54 AM »
Griz, I haven't seen that stock on a Handi but I have another question. Does that barrel have open rifle sights or a bead? Could it be one of the original Tracker I's that are so prized???  I like 12's but as I understand it the Tracker I's in 20 gauge are really sought after. I would not mind having one in 20 gauge myself now that I'm getting older, but I sure would not turn one down in 12 gauge. Nice find!!!....<><....  :lol:
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2004, 04:18:37 AM »
MSP, This gun has rifle sights.I don`t now the age ,but it is really nice shape and I picked it up yesterday for $50.00. I wish I hade a camera that would let me put a picture of this butt stock on here.If it`s not a factory job,someone had a really good idea and did a top notch job on this.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2004, 05:01:12 AM »
Boy oh Boy Griz, what a great deal!! Lots of guys looking for those smoothbores with rifle sights. If you just bought it for the stock I'd be happy to buy the rest of it from you, or even just the barrel. In case you decide to sell it but keep me in mind!!!  Also griz, somewhere in the dark dusty recesses of what to pass for my mind I seem to recall buttstocks like that for shotguns but I don't remember much else, if they just came on H&R's or whatever, perhaps someone else here can recall more about them, perhaps in the collectors section?....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2004, 06:20:14 AM »
MY MOUTH IS WATERING!!!  :P  :P  :P It really does sound like you have found a Tracker 1  :grin:  and for $50  :eek:  :shock:  I usually try not to let envy get the best of me but I am having a hard time with this one. I want to be second in line for a chance to buy that reciever and barrel, keep the stocks if ya want. Sorry MSP  :cry: A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

I feel like one of our moderators is sure to chime in on this one. (Where ya at VC?) A good idea to be sure would be to call H&R and give them the serial # and they can give you the full history of it's manufacturing.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2004, 09:04:28 AM »
I had no idea the smooth bore guns were in demand,I just traded a brand new(one box of slugs)20ga. smooth bore deer gun to a friend of mine for a muzzleloader.I still have a 20 that I have shot more deer with than all my other deer guns combined.I drilled it for a red dot and use cheap Rem. slugs and it shoots GREAT..... I`m going to take the 12 to work tomorrow and get a picture of the shell storage system in the butt stock so you can see what i`m talking about.Thanks for the replies!!Griz
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2004, 09:16:57 AM »
Griz...If you are in Lockport just give me your address and don't get upset if you hear noises in the night.  I have a hard time creeping along.  My 230 lb frame tends to make floor boards squeek.  If you could, let me know where you store that gun as to make the job easier and a little quieter.   :wink:

Seriously though, where did you find that gun for $50 and are there any more.  I live in NT so Lockport is only 20 minutes away.  It wouldn't happen to be Johnsons or the the Cabin Range would it?

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2004, 09:44:18 AM »
WNY whitetailer,I`v put the word out to everyone I know that I`m looking for H&R,NEF guns and you would be suprised the amount they find for me.The problem is keeping the slush funds up to buy them when they come along.I just came across a model 099 nickel plated 20 ga. thats in good shape except for being tapped for a scope base(I didn`t get the base so I don`t know which one fits).It has mod. choke and a bead front sight but should make a nice little grouse gun(already did trigger job).If you do go sneaking around,just remember I`ll have three 00 buck shells instead of one  ready with this new gun.I`ll look like Chuck Conners with a single shot.Thanks for replies,Griz....
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2004, 10:21:26 AM »
Well Griz I am very happy for you, and to think you had TWO twenty smoothbore Tracker I's. I guess since you were not aware that the short  smoothbore shotgun barrels with rifle sights and cylinder bores (Tracker I's) were in such demand that makes 2 who didn't know, you and H&R. If H&R would bring them out again or someone here would just devise a simple and inexpensive assembly line type method of attaching a good receiver or open sight, perhaps even a scope rail,  to the chamber end of a shotgun barrel and drilling and tapping the muzzle end for a screwed on ramp or sweating one on he would be very busy. It seems quite a few good things are dropped by H&R. I am sure they have sound financial reasoning for it but how hard could it be for them to reintroduce the Tracker I barrel. They would sure sell!!!....<><.... :grin:  (OK, I have decided, when the funds allow I am looking for a cheap 12 or 20 gauge barrel and am going to make it my next project gun, a smoothbore, cylinder bore, open sighted slug gun with 22-24 inch barrel...hopefully it can be finished by next deer season... :grin:  :grin:  :grin: )
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2004, 11:08:50 AM »
:lol: You know, MSP, you could save yourself a LOT of project time & trouble by looking for a H&R model 162, smoothbore 12ga, rifle sighted 24" bbl slug gun.

I just happen to know where 2 are located!
1 is used, in great condition  for something like $95 at CUBETA's in Middlefield, CT just a few miles from I-91

The other is listed at  morriswatchshop.com, NIB for $110

I have mentioned the one at morriswatchshop.com in the old forum, but seemed to be ignored. I just thought if someone were really looking for one, any NIB gun might be a great thing!

Let me know if THIS gets those juices going!!! :-D  :)
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2004, 11:15:11 AM »
I guess that I just need to start looking for these guns when I am at Gander Mtn and other stores that deal in used shotguns and the like...I just never give them a thought.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2004, 11:32:24 AM »
Thanks for the info offhand25, and yes, the juices are flowing. Of course I'll lose all that fun of working an another inexpensive "project gun". Anyway, I'll give them a call tomorrow. Is the H&R model 162 something that is currently made? How does it differ from the Tracker I's? Is it something perhaps made prior to the H&R breakup back in about 1996? Sorry about all the questions....<><.... :?
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2004, 12:20:48 PM »
sounds like a tracker one!!!!!!!!!! been hunting for one myself, too bad i am so far away. :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  well keep me in mind if you decide to sell it :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin: i would more then double what you paid for it, for one in good shape. those old guns are getting hard to find now. but i know in my heart somewhere out there..................... there is one of those honey's for me too. enjoy the new toy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2004, 01:43:06 PM »
Alright VC that outdoes my bid. I'm still  :P  :P  :P  though. Man offhand hurry up and post about that model 162 I might be able to find one around here, too.

By the way I was looking at GunsAmerica a little while ago and found this Tracker II 20 ga. for $125 If anyone is interested.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976438654.htm
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2004, 09:28:38 AM »
Well I just got off the phone with Brian at Cubeta's In Middlefield CT. Nice guy, I am going to try to make it there for a trip some day. The H&R they have is in fact a Model 162, 12 gauge smoothbore with rifle sights (used), looks factory made. The serial number starts with AR. They are asking $100.00. I called CS and they were unable to give me any info on it other than it was manufactured prior to the company going out as H&R in 1986. They will not fit ANY barrels to it. According to the woman at CS in the back of the "Blue Book of Gun Values" there is a listing of manufacture dates for these guns. I think I will pass and continue to plan my own "Tracker I re-do" made from my 24" 12 gauge smoothbore barrel with screw in choke tubes. I can see a scope rail on it now, boy how things change overnight, first iron sights now a scope rail. For anyone interested in that gun the number at Cubeta's is 1-860-347-347-4353, ask for Brian.....<><.... :grin: offhand 35 thanks for the info, I appreciate it. And VC, if you are interested in and I can help you out let me know...also I am sure Brian could send it tou your local FFL for you...
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2004, 10:48:32 AM »
Hmmmm..Too bad...If that gun was manufactured after 87 it may have been worth while...
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2004, 10:53:18 AM »
Yes, it would have made it a bit easier to swap barrels, but when it's all said and done, $100.00 for a nice, light 24" barrelled smoothbore open/rifle sighted deer gun which will last forever, its sounds better, and who knows, they might even throw in a couple of boxes of slugs!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2004, 02:57:57 PM »
I tell ya MSP...You got me going on this smooth bore thing...Getting back to basics and throwing some cheaper lead...I just don't have the time to shoot all the guns that I have now...I'll have to wait 30 years until I can retire to shoot all the guns I have now...Besides if I buy two more guns I will out grow my cabinet and the jig will be up...The wife will have me figured out for sure.  I'm pretty sure that she thinks I still only have three guns... :wink:
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2004, 03:11:33 PM »
You might as well give up and enjoy life WNY, I'm retired now and still don't have time to shoot all my guns. But I have to tell you you are on the right road, simplification in all things, single shots, smoothbores, less money for ammo, deer meat tastes the same, no not really, perhaps a bit sweeter. I even went back a bit on my bows, longbow with homemade wooden arrows, plaid shirt and wool pants, camouflage ala Howard Hill. Years ago my wife kept asking me how many guns I had, honestly told her I didn't know, one day when I was out she counted them, I still hear about it, but all in all she is pretty good to me about it. Be good and enjoy life....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2004, 04:25:27 PM »
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You might as well give up and enjoy life WNY, I'm retired now and still don't have time to shoot all my guns. But I have to tell you you are on the right road, simplification in all things, single shots, smoothbores, less money for ammo, deer meat tastes the same, no not really, perhaps a bit sweeter. I even went back a bit on my bows, longbow with homemade wooden arrows, plaid shirt and wool pants, camouflage ala Howard Hill. Years ago my wife kept asking me how many guns I had, honestly told her I didn't know, one day when I was out she counted them, I still hear about it, but all in all she is pretty good to me about it. Be good and enjoy life....<><.... :grin:


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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2004, 03:03:45 PM »
I have the pictures of the shell storage in the but stock I was telling you guys about.The problem is I can`t get them on the site.I was hoping someone could tell me about this unique butt stock.Maybe I could e-mail them to someone that could help me out...
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2004, 03:56:54 PM »
Scan the pics to your hard drive - Go to www.hunt101.com - register and create an account - upload the pics from your computer to your new account's photo album - right click on the pic at hunt101 - highlight and copy the url (htp://www....etc., etc.) - click image button when posting - paste the URl - click image again - click submit. It's that easy.
Give it a shot. I'd like to see it.  :D
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2004, 03:02:37 AM »
Griz...That's what I was going to tell you to do.  Follow what MSP posted and let us know how it turned out.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2004, 01:25:37 PM »



Finally got these pictures to work, check them out and see if you recognize anything like it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2004, 01:45:26 PM »
Griz, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, I guess it is because it seems to have jogged my memory. I may not be able to offer you much information but I do remember seeing pictures of those buttstocks in advertisements.  In my reply dated 3/21 to your question I stated that somewhere in the dark dusty recesses of what used to pass as my mind I seemed to remember the buttstock you described. Yes I do remember it, I may have the name "speed feed buttstock" mixed up with a more recent offer but that name comes to mind. The one you picture was offered many years ago. I remember thinking of buying a gun with that style buttstock (it was an added option I believe, or was offered on a special model designation) but opted for keeping my old gun and keeping the extra shells in my pocket, something about not having money to buy another gun...Good Luck with more info....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2004, 01:54:05 PM »
Awesome Griz,

I don't know if it is factory or custom, but it sure is cool! :grin:

I don't see why it couldn't be done on any wood stock, with a little woodworking knowledge. I think I have found a new project when I find some free time, just don't know when that will be. :?

If a guy had an old magazine extension tube spring, a piece of rubber (hose or cylinder) for a stop, a drill, chisel and some patience, I don't see why it could not be done using the stock bolt hole.

This would sure be nice to have on my 20ga Ultra Slug Hunter LE, except that danged medallion would be in the way. :cry:  Maybe I should order a new Ultra Slug Hunter Deluxe stock and forend and put this one on my Huntsman. :eek:  :grin:  That would sure make the SS Huntsman look cool, but then I would need to customize the forend for the ramrod. :x

Well anyway, you sure got the think tank stirred up Griz! :wink:  Thanks for posting the picture.
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2004, 02:11:43 PM »
If you want to try and duplicate something like this and need some dimensions from the stock, let me know I will be glad to help.
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2004, 06:12:44 AM »
Doesn't that interfere with the stock bolt hole or does it use the stock bold hole?
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2004, 09:29:43 AM »
Has it ever been determined whether that is a Tracker 1?
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2004, 10:06:26 AM »
Can we see a pic of the whole gun?  That would get close to answering if it's a tracker I or not, short of calling nef with the serial number and getting 100% confirmation.  Regaurdless though, I want to see a pic of that entire gun!  It has to be a beauty :wink:

I've got my eye out for an old tracker 1 also.  But I'll be content with my Pardner for smooth bore slug work until then.  The front fiber optic bead isn't nearly as precise as iron sights but it's quick.  At 50 yards OFFHAND, shouldering the pardner, less than 1 second to aim, and fire, I can put 5 winchester 2 3/4" slugs in a 6" circle easily.  If I take my time at 50 yards OFFHAND it will put 5 in a 4" circle.  From a rest, I don't know, haven't hunted off a rest with it so I didn't bother to see what it'll do.

I bought my rifled Ultra slug 20 as my deer gun last summer, but so far I've favored the Pardner.  There's something about an old smooth bore.  8)

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