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Offline bonsairon

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« on: March 21, 2004, 09:33:46 AM »
I've got a NEF in 17 hmr now really like going to get one in 223 cal.
Is there much deference in the H&Rs  and NEF  does one shoot better then the other.
price difference anything else someone cares to talk about to help
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difference?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2004, 10:08:26 AM »
...i assume its all marketing...as Marlin owns HR1871...
just my .02


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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2004, 10:30:17 AM »
Same gun, same plant, same workers, how much difference could thier be??....<><.... :wink:
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2004, 10:54:27 AM »
minor cosmetics like the laminated stock, but all these things can be bought separately.  They come with a longer barrel, sometimes, but these too can be bought later.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2004, 09:37:28 AM »
Hi all -

Since it's still OT, if a little farther afield, does anyone know if the old H&R H&R's are better/worse than the Marlin/NEF/H&R's?

Specifically metallurgy, fit & finish, strength?

I have an old one and current info refers to the new stuff - don't think anyone asked the questions back when!   :grin:

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2004, 07:55:28 PM »
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I'd venture a guess, and it's only that, but based on what NEF policy changes have been, the new ones are stronger.

They'll fit a vast array of calibers to new ones but not the old ones.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2004, 05:57:23 AM »
I have one of the older Ultra Rifles in .223.  it is very accurate and I have hunted with it for years.  I did try to send it back to the factory to have a .308 barrel installed on it and was denied due to the age of the gun based on the serial number.  As far as I can tell this is the only difference from the older guns to the newer guns.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2004, 07:35:43 AM »
Hi all -

Thanks for your comments guys.
Not trying to grind a personal axe here, & soitly not arguing, but have suspicions about inferences from their company policy.
Without direct (& truthful) reponse from 'em, company policy MAY only reflect a disinterest in dealing w/older production.
I'm curious: does Marlin/NEF/H&R warrant/recognize any liability on the older ones?

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2004, 07:53:26 AM »
Rigby, you might have to specify what you mean by "older" guns. As far as I have seen they honor all warrantees and grantees on any gun made after 1986. As for fitting barrels, as long as the gun was produced after 1986 I think they will fit barrels to it. On those with SB1 and some older SB2 receivers they will only fit "low intensity" barrels, .223, 45-70, shotgun and muzzloader, .44 Mag. 357 Mag (while they have them) etc. The "high intensity" barrels, .30-06, .308, .270, .280 etc can only be fitted to the newer SB2 receivers. It just takes a free call to CS to determine which receiver you have and what barrels they will fit to it. As far as I can see any receiver made after 1986 is OK to buy, I may be wrong but this is the inference I got from CS yesterday. OK guys, how about some info or clarification here. For some reason the year 1996/7 seems to have some significance but I can't remember what, straighten me out please...<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2004, 09:33:26 AM »
Hi MSP -

Not meaning to impute evil to 'em - I'm just a paranoid sorta guy!:?

Thanks for the info.
Mine is mebbe late '70s.

I'm unable to decipher "CS" so I'll just humbly ask for that toll-free number you mentioned, if I may.

Or, if anyone has the info handy, the ser. no. is AJ25xxxx.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2004, 10:46:35 AM »
Hello again Rigby and no problem, I am a bit sorry that I may have mislead you. the number for "CS"  (Customer Service) is 1-978-630-8220 and is not toll free. The serial number beginning with AJ does seem to indicate an older receiver that H&R most likely will not add barrels to. I have been advised by a women that works at "CS" and sometimes answers the phone that they have no access to serial numbers prior to the company change in 1986. When you call it's a crap shoot regarding who is going to answer the phone and sometimes how good the information is that you get. The serial numbers and corresponding dates of manufacture are supposed  to be listed in the back pages of the Blue Book of Gun Values.  Good Luck....<><.... :grin: (Oh and Rigby, Paranoid, who says I'm paranoid, I know they all think I'm paranoid, but I'm not paranoid, even if they all say I'm paranoid, no matter what everyone says and thinks. Wait!! I can hear them all saying it now!!!)
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2004, 02:39:56 PM »
I've got both the .223 Ultra (H&R) and the .17HMR Sportster (NEF), both bought within the past few months. Looking at them, there doesn't appear to be much difference in the receiver/barrel construction. The Sportster has a stiffer trigger & hammer than the Ultra, and not quite as nice-looking (in my opinion) as the Ultra's laminated stock, but that's just me. Both are tack-drivers, and both are going to be getting upgrades to their relative scopes when I can afford it.

As far as reliability, a lot can change in a company over the years. I do have a .22 H&R "Sportsman" bolt-action, circa 1950's. It's been through **** and still shoots great. But if it's any indication, these guns will last a lifetime.
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2004, 06:05:41 PM »
The  AJ serial number Dates 1972  Marv.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2004, 07:41:45 PM »
Six of one / half dozen of the other !!  :D
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2004, 03:23:21 PM »
I have a reciever with an AX prefix on the serial number hopefully meaning that it was manufactured in 1986.  It is a 12 gauge Topper 88 and I would sure like a 30-30 barrel for it. Any thoughts.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2004, 03:59:09 PM »
Call customer service but I don't think they will fit a barrel to that receiver, Watch E-bay, you might get lucky, there are barrels for sale there off and on, or post an item in the classifieds near the bottom of GB's Forum list. You might also ask if anyone on this forum has one for sale, you should have a gunsmith check it for fit before you fire it....<><.... :grin:  :oops:    (IMPORTANT ADDED - your older shotgun frame may not be strong enough to shoot with ANY centerfire rifle barrel attached.  I suspect this might be true, check with someone more knowledgable first, ask CS also)
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2004, 04:47:24 PM »
Hi all - :D

Marv - tnx muchly - older'n I thunk!

MSP - tnx for the phone number.
I am NOT paranoid - I KNOW the S.o.B.'s are after me! :eek:  

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