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Offline New Hampshire

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« on: March 21, 2004, 01:18:14 PM »
Ok, I just picked up the Book "Be Expert with Map and Compass: The Complete Orienteering Handbook" By Bjorn Kjellstrom. Im looking to get more proficient with Map and compass so I can start travelling further into the un-hunted territories most hunters wont go, and hell, just to have a plain old fine time in the quiet woods. Ive been thinking about getting the Topo USA program from DeLorm to create maps of the state. Has anyone experience with this program? Is it a good way to get fairly detailed maps good for orienteering work? Are there better programs? What is the best way to create these maps to carry out in the woods that can resist at least a little moisture?
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2004, 02:27:26 PM »
I have the Topo USA software and I can tell you that it is useful as a tool, but not as a primary source of maps to use in the field. It doesn't have a wide enough field of view to be useful when the map is magnified to the point to see 20ft countour lines, and when you zoom out to see a broader area, the contour lines go out to 100ft  which doesn't give you a very good "lay of the land".

I get all my topo maps from http://www.mytopo.com

They also have aerial photos.

I do use the "3d" function of Topo USA but in conjunction with a real topo map at my side. You can zoom in on a point of interest and go to 3d to get a feel for the landscape.

It is also useful in conjunction with a gps for creating and uploading of routes/waypoints, as well as measuring your route and showing you the difficulty of the route by looking at the elevation profile (looks like a lie detector graph showing the elevation of the route you have planned over distance).

If you are new to backcountry navigation off trails, I would first start out in a relatively safe area with varied terrain (by safe I mean fairly small landlocked by roads/railroads or trails). You do need to have some variation in elevation. Get a good topo map of the area and attempt to navigate by "reading" the contour map to determine your position. This will help you see what the landscape should look like when reading the map. You can also use compass to take bearings off 2 known landmarks and draw them on your map. Where they intersect should be your position. You can do this with 1 bearing only if you have an altimeter and know your approximate position already. Where the line intersects the contour line for your elevation is your position.

It is much easier with gps, but you must know how to at least use the compass as gps is not always reliable. Batteries go pretty quick, and if you are under heavy foliage, you won't be able to get a sattelite signal.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2004, 07:40:30 PM »
I have an old version of Topo USA.(v.3)  I do not care for it.  DeLorme has come out with a new version and I have not seen the maps printed off of it.  I was having  this discussion with an old friend the other day.  He is a professional forester and also works air attack on forest fires.   He says the Topo USA maps appear slanted to him.  He prefers the NG maps.  This is a man who flies to unfamiliar locations in the Western US and provides air support to the troops on the ground.  He is always looking for the best maps.  

From a professional stand point I have used topo maps for over 40 years.  As a retired old guy I had some questions regarding mapping software after I obtained a gps unit.  I talked to the guys who are on the National Incident Command Teams.  To a person they recommended the National Geographic Topographic Maps State Series software.  National Geographic has a series for many States.  If the team is dispatched to a State they do not have the State Series software for they purchase it.  I obtained the software set for my State.  Without a doubt a very good investment. They do have a software set for the North Eastern States, which includes your State.

I always use a current Forest Service or BLM recreational map along with a topo map.

I recently did some pre-season scouting in one of the deer zones.  When I returned home I downloaded the information from my gps to the NG topo software and printed up a map with my waypoints on it.  I am very pleased with the map.

If I was to travel out of State I would fall back on my DeLorme software because I have it.

You can check out NG site at  http://www.nationalgeographic.com/topo  for the software.  They also sell map paper.

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Update, I have spent the last week using Topo USA 3v in a large field exercise.  I am starting to like it.  Put yourself in a situation where player one calls you and provides critical information to and gives you Lat/Longs for the trouble spots.   Player one also gives a verbal description of the problem area.  You enter the individual lat/longs into your laptop which is running Topo USA.

The lat/longs come up on a topo map showing roads in a sub-division about the problem spots.  You left click on the roads one at a time.  You get an option that provides the road name.  (All of this is happing fast)  You left click on a near by stream and the name of the stream pops up.

You provide the information to player 2 who then goes to the trouble spot  with others.   You send the mapping information to a computer file and make a hard copy.  Hours later a person is injured at the location and a helicopter is needed come daylight.  The helicopter crew is contacted and the map is faxed to the helicopter crew along with lat/longs.  You have also used the software to left click on a high tension powerlines.  This way the powerline is identified to the helicopter crew.  Helicoters and powerlines do not get along.

You receive word that a ground ambulance will pickup the injured party at a certain road junction because there is no helipad at the hospital.  You left click the junction and you get the Lat/Long for the locations.  You relay the information.  The game goes on.  A powerful tool.  I am sure the latest version offers more.
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2004, 03:37:53 AM »
Brian,

I use an older copy of Topo USA, but prefer another called Topo Arizona, also an older copy.  They both have detail features the other lacks, but I like the Topo Arizona as it is a pretty much duplicates the USGS 7.5 minute projections.  

Use these together with a plain Garmin eTrex and it's fully compatable to transfer waypoints back and forth between the laptop and the the GPS using the USB link cable.

I print out my hunt maps on 8.5 x 14 paper on an Epson photo quality ink jet and find no difference in detail from the purchased maps.

Now I only hunt Arizona so for my needs these two older applications work very well.