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Offline tedfl

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Live fire practice at the range
« on: March 22, 2004, 05:31:56 AM »
My smallbore practice sessions at the range tends to not to turn out very well. I start out with a practice plan consisting of establishing NPA, rifle mounting, shot visualizing , shot approach, trigger squeeze, follow through etc. In dry fire practice, I practice about 30 to 60 minutes in a stretch. At the range I will shoot up to 4 hrs. I think I am addicted because I love to here the sound of the bullet hitting the target and seeing the target fall. I keep thinking, “I can do better than those last 10 shots”, and then it goes down hill from there..

How do you practice at the range? i.e. Length of time, keys to stopping practice , eliminating negative thoughts, do you always shoot for score, never shoot for score. Sometimes shoot for score, what is the key elements that you practice on, etc.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2004, 07:58:39 AM »
This is the sort of subject we should discuss more. It's good to trade ideas about how to train. Here's the disclaimer: I'm starting my seventh season, just now trying to get "serious," AAA in both smallbore classes and in HP Standard, AA in HP hunter. I've read everything I could get my hands on. That's it. I don't fancy myself a coach. Now, in no particular order:
The real experts agree that the most important thing is to train correctly, with a good idea of exactly what you are trying to do. We've probably all wasted a lot of time, and reinforced some bad habits, just "putting some downrange" because it's fun. I'm starting to understand that training is the time to WORK on specific skills. "Train hard, match easy."
Once the basic physical technique (stance, hold) is OK I think the broad task is to learn to make the shot release a reaction to  the sight picture so that the trigger is breaking early in the steady hold period and the mind is not much involved. No, I can't do it yet but every little bit of progress is exciting and gratifying. I'll be glad to send you a piece from the PS Highpower Primer discussing how many shots it takes to strengthen the neural pathways in the brain so that the motor signal to the finger doesn't "rob" energy from the sensory signal from the eye (or is it vice versa?) Anyway, it's a lot.
While we're climbing this curve, practice must not only be regular, but frequent. Bassham says five or six days a week (but NOT seven.) The only solution for me is an airgun. I'm not disciplined enough to dry fire that much. The good news is that our new skills don't erode all that quickly when you lay off for awhile. I cornered Troy Lawton at Winnsboro during morning practice (we were setting targets) and asked him about airgun practice. "Do you enjoy shooting it?" "Yeah, most of the time." "Well, when you feel like shooting, shoot, but when you don't, don't." (He was gracious enough to take time to show me some things about hold, too, but that's another story.)
The mental training challenge is the biggest. It's hard to DO the things necessary for a good shot and simultaneously OBSERVE what's happening, good and bad. Desire to hit the target is a big impediment here. Real good trick to switch the focus from hitting to simply executing the shot well. When you stop feeling good when a poorly executed shot hits anyway, you're making progress.
My challenge (there is no "problem") is concentrating on a spot on the target while I wait for the decent sight picture. When some thought about score, or the last shot or the next shot or the office or whatever creeps in, I generally miss. The champions say "I don't think about anything."
I have at least some, small plan for each session. If I simply cannot get warmed up and start enjoying it, I quit. I sometimes extend the session when I feel that I'm doing well, to reinforce the good stuff, but this is dangerous. Don't shoot 'til you're too tired to execute properly and learn from the shots and don't be afraid to quit on a high note. When you've done what you planned to do, you should generally quit for the day.
Bassham says:"Most of you shoot too much. I didn't say TRAIN too much. You SHOOT too much."
Suggested reading: Nygord's notes at www. nygord.com, all the articles at www.pilkguns.com, the two Schussportschull Dialogues books (try Google), Lanny Bassham's books and tapes on mental management, some of the articles at www.zediker.com on holding drills and training with an airgun, Zen in the Art of Archery.
I sure hope this excellent question starts a dialogue on this excellent board. I've gotten some great help from the folks who post here.

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2004, 08:13:41 AM »
Your sessions sound to be so long that you may be habituating mistakes instead of improvements to technique especially if you are shooting on days when you cannot hold well. Try to isolate what aspect caused the shot to be off. When you think you know what it is then stop and write something about it and also try to come up with some kind of solution. It has been suggested to me to practice on paper targets (you won't have your sound effects but you will be able to see what is going on) and this will help you verify your shot "call". I like your idea of training by mixing dry fire with live fire. Be sure to attend your club matchs and get some real experience.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2004, 04:11:54 PM »
I've been doing the silhouette game more years than I can remember.   Never had any formal training and over the years I've worked out a routine that works for me.   I have a range in my back yard, and the  targets are rusty from sitting idle most of the time.  I start my practice about a month before the notable shoots are scheldued.   There are about three things that I have to practice  on.  

First  have the discipline not to take bad shots, don't shoot before are on the target.   This is the most difficult of all to do.

Second,  squeeze the trigger.  I have to tell my self this on every shot.  If I see sidways movement in my scope when I shoot, I know I have gotten on the trigger too hard.   This happens alot in windy conditions, when I'm trying to break a shot with a moving muzzle.

Third  don't hold the gun up too long before shooting.  If I hold it too long my hold becomes ragged.  If I wait 25 or 30 seconds, I've held it too long and I need to lower it and breath etc.

Fourth  is have a reliable spotter who can dope the conditions for you.  This is a valuable asset to shooting.

Physical conditioning is valuable.   If you use tobacco you are handicapping your shooting several shots.   Drinking too much the night before the match will give you the jitters, as will caffein.

Shooting good scores use to be a lot easier when I was younger,  but now I have to work at it to turn a score that I'm pleased with.   D.W.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2004, 10:41:38 AM »
I'm embarrassed. Tom and Don have actually addressed the question without running off at the mouth. Maybe I DO think I'm a coach. Sad thought, that. If a few more folks will share their practice tips I promise to keep quiet. Don, didn't you tell me to drink a lot of beer the night before the match and tank up on coffee the next morning?