Many screw-ups in Nashville shootings..

[ironglow]

  Many screw-ups, and they all start at the home.  A few questions...

1) What in hello was she doing, living at her parent's house, at 28 years of age?

2) Ok, so she has an emotional problem, which should have been obvious when she first started pretending to be a boy..

3) So she is at home because she is mentally disturbed, why did her parents not watch her more closely?

4) She bought 7 guns in recent months, why didn't her parents know this?

5) Shouldn't they have watched this mental case more closely?

6) Shouldn't the FBI caught some kind of discrepancy in her/his/it's NICS test?

[Ranger99]

Sadly just another example of
enabling and making excuses.

Likely a half a dozen at minimum
could have turned her/him/it in
several times over

[Dee]

  Many screw-ups, and they all start at the home.  A few questions...

1) What in hello was she doing, living at her parent's house, at 28 years of age?

2) Ok, so she has an emotional problem, which should have been obvious when she first started pretending to be a boy..

3) So she is at home because she is mentally disturbed, why did her parents not watch her more closely?

4) She bought 7 guns in recent months, why didn't her parents know this?

50) Shouldn't they have watched this mental case more closely?

6) Shouldn't the FBI caught some kind of discrepancy in her/his/it's NICS test?

That there was something wrong with her, after the fact, is obvious. That her parents should have known what their 28-year-old girl was doing, not so obvious. That she was living at home with her  parents, so what?
That she had no criminal record, and bought guns legally? Happens every day.

Folks here, and elsewhere say they don't want the government in interfering in their lives, but change their minds when sumthin like this happens.

Speculation, the judgmental mentality,  and armchair quarterbacking are a luxuries mostly afforded to armchair quarterbacks only.

But here's a better question.

With the entire country aware that school shootings happen, where is the outrage towards schools that continue to not provide security in both the buildings, and personell?

THE POLICE SHOWED UP. ACTED ACORDINGLY, AND TOOK OUT THE PERP.

AFTER THE FACT!

[Lloyd Smale]

well said. if you want government policys that allow tracking who they think might do things like that dont be surprised when there monitoring this forum and you because your a gun nut and even manufacture your own ammo. i can about bet you when i was 27 my parents didnt have a clue what i bought. It was none of there business. add to that with the economy and cost of living, interest rates ect. living at home in your 20s isnt as odd as when we were that age. Just be careful or the door they knock on might be your own.

  Many screw-ups, and they all start at the home.  A few questions...

1) What in hello was she doing, living at her parent's house, at 28 years of age?

2) Ok, so she has an emotional problem, which should have been obvious when she first started pretending to be a boy..

3) So she is at home because she is mentally disturbed, why did her parents not watch her more closely?

4) She bought 7 guns in recent months, why didn't her parents know this?

50) Shouldn't they have watched this mental case more closely?

6) Shouldn't the FBI caught some kind of discrepancy in her/his/it's NICS test?

That there was something wrong with her, after the fact, is obvious. That her parents should have known what their 28-year-old girl was doing, not so obvious. That she was living at home with her  parents, so what?
That she had no criminal record, and bought guns legally? Happens every day.

Folks here, and elsewhere say they don't want the government in interfering in their lives, but change their minds when sumthin like this happens.

Speculation, the judgmental mentality,  and armchair quarterbacking are a luxuries mostly afforded to armchair quarterbacks only.

But here's a better question.

With the entire country aware that school shootings happen, where is the outrage towards schools that continue to not provide security in both the buildings, and personell?

THE POLICE SHOWED UP. ACTED ACORDINGLY, AND TOOK OUT THE PERP.

AFTER THE FACT!

[ironglow]

 From Dee;

  "
That there was something wrong with her, after the fact, is obvious. That her parents should have known what their 28-year-old girl was doing, not so obvious. That she was living at home with her  parents, so what?
That she had no criminal record, and bought guns legally? Happens every day.

 [/color=blue]OK, so In asked some questions and you provided some answers..not that I agree with all of them.

She was adjudged a mental defective, so it would seem that may be why she was living at home. Evidently that is the reason for her to roost at her parents, so it should have been their duty to protect her and the community. [/color]
       She was being treated for mental issues..and her parents didn't think she should have guns. So, what did they do about it?  See the link below:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/nashville-shooting-motive-audrey-hale-b2309664.htm

Folks here, and elsewhere say they don't want the government in interfering in their lives, but change their minds when sumthin like this happens.

Speculation, the judgmental mentality,  and armchair quarterbacking are a luxuries mostly afforded to armchair quarterbacks only.
    [/color=blue] Living at home at age 28 and no steady employment? wouldn't that raise anybody's questions?  Yahoo news gives her employment record as this: [/color]
   " Hale's LinkedIn account also lists work as a part-time grocery shopper with the food delivery service Shipt and mentions past employment as a cat sitter."
  [/color=blue] It seems that alone would prompt a parent to be concerned, being as many of us were expected to be productive at age 18.[/color]

But here's a better question.

With the entire country aware that school shootings happen, where is the outrage towards schools that continue to not provide security in both the buildings, and personell?
Some schools think they have the security situation under control, but when the rubber meets the road..they are rudely awakened. Consider Uvalde..

THE POLICE SHOWED UP. ACTED ACORDINGLY, AND TOOK OUT THE PERP.

AFTER THE FACT.

  OK, so I asked questions..didn't make statements..and we still do not totally agree.. no biggie !
   

[Dee]

From Dee;

  "
That there was something wrong with her, after the fact, is obvious. That her parents should have known what their 28-year-old girl was doing, not so obvious. That she was living at home with her  parents, so what?
That she had no criminal record, and bought guns legally? Happens every day.

 [/color=blue]OK, so In asked some questions and you provided some answers..not that I agree with all of them.

She was adjudged a mental defective, so it would seem that may be why she was living at home. Evidently that is the reason for her to roost at her parents, so it should have been their duty to protect her and the community. [/color]
       She was being treated for mental issues..and her parents didn't think she should have guns. So, what did they do about it?  See the link below:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/nashville-shooting-motive-audrey-hale-b2309664.htm

Folks here, and elsewhere say they don't want the government in interfering in their lives, but change their minds when sumthin like this happens.

Speculation, the judgmental mentality,  and armchair quarterbacking are a luxuries mostly afforded to armchair quarterbacks only.
    [/color=blue] Living at home at age 28 and no steady employment? wouldn't that raise anybody's questions?  Yahoo news gives her employment record as this: [/color]
   " Hale's LinkedIn account also lists work as a part-time grocery shopper with the food delivery service Shipt and mentions past employment as a cat sitter."
  [/color=blue] It seems that alone would prompt a parent to be concerned, being as many of us were expected to be productive at age 18.[/color]

But here's a better question.

With the entire country aware that school shootings happen, where is the outrage towards schools that continue to not provide security in both the buildings, and personell?
Some schools think they have the security situation under control, but when the rubber meets the road..they are rudely awakened. Consider Uvalde..

THE POLICE SHOWED UP. ACTED ACORDINGLY, AND TOOK OUT THE PERP.

AFTER THE FACT.

  OK, so I asked questions..didn't make statements..and we still do not totally agree.. no biggie !
 

Consider Uvalde? Seriously?

What is there to consider? Outside doors proped open with bricks. ZERO security fences. Classroom doors open, and unlocked. Defenseless staff. Zero on site security guards.

They weren't any better off than the one in Tennessee. 

[oldandslow]

(being as many of us were expected to be productive at age 18.)

It was a far different world when you and I were that age. You need to look at today's world. There is little resemblance between our 18 year old world and today's.

Like Dee said, neither school was prepared in any way for what happened. At least the cops, when they arrived at this shooting, didn't dilly dally around and took care of business. It still shows that when you depend on the cops to protect you the crime has already happened. Armed teachers or security would probably have prevented it even if the shooter was dumb enough to try. Schools, churches, any gathering with no armed security, is just asking for this to happen.

Even here in my little town where nothing ever happens the schools have fencing, the doors are locked, and no one gets inside but the teachers and the students and it has been that way for years.

[ironglow]

(being as many of us were expected to be productive at age 18.)

It was a far different world when you and I were that age. You need to look at today's world. There is little resemblance between our 18 year old world and today's.

  Depends upon your world, I guess. In my world, 18 year old adults are expected to be well upon their way toward personal responsibility.
   My children were that way, and my grandchildren the same.  If we keep treating somebody as a child..they will remain a child. Why should we do that, and keep them infantile?


Like Dee said, neither school was prepared in any way for what happened. At least the cops, when they arrived at this shooting, didn't dilly dally around and took care of business. It still shows that when you depend on the cops to protect you the crime has already happened. Armed teachers or security would probably have prevented it even if the shooter was dumb enough to try. Schools, churches, any gathering with no armed security, is just asking for this to happen.

Even here in my little town where nothing ever happens the schools have fencing, the doors are locked, and no one gets inside but the teachers and the students and it has been that way for years.
 
  Our local schools have no fences, but they do have what is euphemistically called "resource officers", who are normally deputy sheriffs.  Even then, if some event were to happen, chances are the officer would be reacting after the shooting starts.
  There in Nashville, had there been a "resource officer", he/she would  likely not likely react until after the windows were shot away, and perhaps some time after the initial entry.

  "Some schools think they have the security situation under control, but when the rubber meets the road..they are rudely awakened. Consider Uvalde.."
 
   I'm sure both believed they had some security with the local police. Obviously, Nashville did..Uvalde didn't !

    One key answer...arm competent teachers..

[oldandslow]

Mass shootings will never be stopped unless there are armed people there to stop it immediately. By the time the cops can respond it's too late and people are dead.

[Ranger99]

For sure need to stop enabling
and making excuses for friends
and family that can't/won't behave
in the accepted civilized manner

[ironglow]

Interesting note;

       https://www.aol.com/news/friend-says-she-contacted-authorities-193017545.html?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_7728353&ncid=txtlnku

[Dee]

(being as many of us were expected to be productive at age 18.)

It was a far different world when you and I were that age. You need to look at today's world. There is little resemblance between our 18 year old world and today's.

  Depends upon your world, I guess. In my world, 18 year old adults are expected to be well upon their way toward personal responsibility.
   My children were that way, and my grandchildren the same.  If we keep treating somebody as a child..they will remain a child. Why should we do that, and keep them infantile?


Like Dee said, neither school was prepared in any way for what happened. At least the cops, when they arrived at this shooting, didn't dilly dally around and took care of business. It still shows that when you depend on the cops to protect you the crime has already happened. Armed teachers or security would probably have prevented it even if the shooter was dumb enough to try. Schools, churches, any gathering with no armed security, is just asking for this to happen.

Even here in my little town where nothing ever happens the schools have fencing, the doors are locked, and no one gets inside but the teachers and the students and it has been that way for years.
 
  Our local schools have no fences, but they do have what is euphemistically called "resource officers", who are normally deputy sheriffs.  Even then, if some event were to happen, chances are the officer would be reacting after the shooting starts.
  There in Nashville, had there been a "resource officer", he/she would  likely not likely react until after the windows were shot away, and perhaps some time after the initial entry.

  "Some schools think they have the security situation under control, but when the rubber meets the road..they are rudely awakened. Consider Uvalde.."
 
   I'm sure both believed they had some security with the local police. Obviously, Nashville did..Uvalde didn't !

    One key answer...arm competent teachers..

You don't pay very much attention to actual facts. The Nashville Christian school had its GLASS DOORS LOCKED.
Other than that, they had ZERO SECURITY.

SIX PEOPLE WERE KILLED.

Were it not for an exceptional police response the body count would have been  much higher.  In the shooters own notes, she stated that 2 other nearby schools had security,  and this one didn't. Lower body count doesn't necessarily equate to better security.

[Lloyd Smale]

this is the hard truth. with a response time of even 5 minutes after an unarmed administrator realizes the situation dials the phone (after getting to one) and then waiting 5 minutes alot of people could die. only real answer is boots on the ground armed security. even that's no guarantee if the guard is caught by surprise. only way IT REALLY  WORKS is either to arm every teacher and administrator. but we all know those liberal teachers and there unions will never allow that. so what are we left with. Razor wire and a security gate with an armed guard at every school. but to do that to every school in the country will cost billons in either federal tax money or local Millage tax increases. then with such a high percentage of voters (especially democratic voters) are 20 somethings that dont have kids and would have rather your kid have been murdered in the womb then having them made to pay 10 cents to protect them it isnt going to be some bipartisan cake walk 

Mass shootings will never be stopped unless there are armed people there to stop it immediately. By the time the cops can respond it's too late and people are dead.

[Ranger99]

Nobody online or on the radio or
television or in the printed pages
will dare say it,  but there's people
that can't cope and are dangerous
in different ways,  and friends and
family enabling and making excuses
for them doesn't help anything.
There's been things in place for many
years to help with this, but it's never
taken advantage of (mainly because
of embarrassment of family) so
the problems go unchecked and
untreated and escalate month after
month year after year until the dam
breaks

[ironglow]

 The creature which did th ekilling had numerous problems with her psyche.  An honest psychologist would tell you that there is much baggage with the "trans" psychosis.
   For one, the she/he probably hates females, especially those who are comfortable with their God given gender.

  She could have been under steroid treatments..and got impatient, taking a supper dose of same, which would magnify any aggressive tendencies.

  Her "manifesto" may well tell us much...but I doubt the public will ever see it !

[Mule 11]

The creature which did th ekilling had numerous problems with her psyche.  An honest psychologist would tell you that there is much baggage with the "trans" psychosis.
   For one, the she/he probably hates females, especially those who are comfortable with their God given gender.

  She could have been under steroid treatments..and got impatient, taking a supper dose of same, which would magnify any aggressive tendencies.

  Her "manifesto" may well tell us much...but I doubt the public will ever see it !

Are you suggesting that massive amounts of steroids from “doctors” could be responsible? And that applauding her mental illness by “professional’s” and pushed on children who are not mature and easily manipulated (might be the problem)? Oh contraire, the gun was the aggressor and jumped into her hand. The rest is written...

[ironglow]

The creature which did th ekilling had numerous problems with her psyche.  An honest psychologist would tell you that there is much baggage with the "trans" psychosis.
   For one, the she/he probably hates females, especially those who are comfortable with their God given gender.

  She could have been under steroid treatments..and got impatient, taking a supper dose of same, which would magnify any aggressive tendencies.

  Her "manifesto" may well tell us much...but I doubt the public will ever see it !

Are you suggesting that massive amounts of steroids from “doctors” could be responsible? And that applauding her mental illness by “professional’s” and pushed on children who are not mature and easily manipulated (might be the problem)? Oh contraire, the gun was the aggressor and jumped into her hand. The rest is written...

     
   Could be!...