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« on: March 23, 2004, 03:15:09 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2004, 05:04:35 PM »
WOW! Does the 30-30 really offer that kind of range and trajectory in the Handi?
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2004, 06:48:52 PM »
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WOW! Does the 30-30 really offer that kind of range and trajectory in the Handi?


Yes it does... and reamed out (by hand) to a .30-30 Ackley Improved it will add a couple hundred feet per second to velocity and flatten the trajectory at no increase in chamber pressure.   The .30-30AI is a jewel in a T/C Contender and I bet it will do even better in a H&R/NEF.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2004, 03:51:49 AM »
Could you explain the AI concept and how hard is that to do? Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2004, 08:39:08 AM »
AI is Ackley Improved.

Basically, it takes the parent case and moves the shoulder closes to the case mouth and steepens the shoulder angle to 40 degrees.  The case has very little taper from the base to the shoulder.  Check out the various versions at www.reloadbench.com under cartridges and reload then under wildcat cartridges.  The 30-30 AI is discussed and dimensions are available.

The beauty of the AI is that you fire form the cases to the chamber, and do not need case forming dies.  You do need AI dies for loading the formed case.  And if you run out of ammo, you can fire the regular parent in the chamber.  

With the Handi being a break open action, the AI version is easier done with the rimmed cartridges like the 22 Hornet and the 30-30.  With the rimless cartridges like the 223 and 308, it is more difficult to due if the barrel is the cartridge you want to improve.  For the 223 Remington, to AI a handi, I would start with a 22 Hornet barrel and replace the ejector.  The rimless headspace on the shoulder, and therefor the AI chamber is typically 0.004" shorter to the shoulder/neck than the regular cartridge chamber in order to allow regular rounds to headspace.