guess i could go full circle and back to the Strohs or the Papst i was weaned on. back in the 70s that was 90 percent of the beer sold around here. you rarely saw a bud or miller. maybe Labatts, i drank a few hundred gallons of that in the 80s. Actually, to me still one of the best tasting beers but there canadian so chances are there as woke as bud