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This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« on: September 28, 2023, 01:16:50 AM »
  On Dec 2, 1954, the US Senate censured Sen Joe McCarthy for suggesting that Communists had infected many of our institutions.

   Is the US Senate now ready to issue a retraction and proffer an apology?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7GPRiHWJJ8
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2023, 05:28:46 AM »
   

         You sparked my interest ,  McCarthy was certainly a controversial figure  , accused of  homosexuality ,stolen valor and drug addiction .If you  believe Wikipedia. Being very good friends with the Kennedy family  and he dies at  47 yrs. o . a coincidence ?  who knows .

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2023, 06:10:31 AM »
McCarthy did more than "suggest". He waged a campaign that ruined the lives of many people. He was a bully..
Records of the hearings are available....especially the closed door hearings wherein McCarthy and Cohn cherry picked witnesses who would be particularly easy to Bully.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2023, 06:37:28 AM »
Maybe he didn't go far enough
Thousands nowadays that think full on
socialism/communism would be alright
with them, along with any manner of
perversion

Lots and lots of enabling and making excuses
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2023, 06:26:07 PM »
   

         You sparked my interest ,  McCarthy was certainly a controversial figure  , accused of  homosexuality ,stolen valor and drug addiction .If you  believe Wikipedia. Being very good friends with the Kennedy family  and he dies at  47 yrs. o . a coincidence ?  who knows .

  Careful...Wiki has only what somebody posts there...and it is certain that he had plenty of enemies..who can now publish anything they wish...now
   that he is dead and gone.  Back then being a Commie could hurt one's career, so naturally they didn't want to be exposed.

   Accounts written years after the events, can contain much error, since few can correct !

  In a normal mind, this may assuage some of the thoughts of homosexualism.  https://www.loc.gov/item/2007684143/
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2023, 06:36:20 PM »
Maybe he didn't go far enough
Thousands nowadays that think full on
socialism/communism would be alright
with them, along with any manner of
perversion

Lots and lots of enabling and making excuses

   I can recall watching the  hearings..  I thought he was on to something...since so many pled the fifth amendment, when asked if they were
    Commies.  Yes, pleading the fifth technically, does not prove guilt..  ..But why not clear your name once and for all..
    I am no Commie, and I would be fast and sure to point it out if asked..

   Joe McCarthy wasn'talone back then..here is a very credible witness to the Communist infiltration...
   https://www.reaganfoundation.org/education/curriculum-and-resources/resources/reagan-hollywood-and-the-red-scare/
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2023, 06:39:34 PM »
  In the 1950s there were plenty of people duped into helping the Commies try to take over the world.  Some were willing to die in the cause.

   https://www.theguardian.com/world/1953/jun/20/usa.fromthearchive
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2023, 06:50:13 PM »
"Yes, pleading the fifth technically, does not prove guilt..  ..But why not clear your name once and for all.."

Pleading the fifth is a valuable right. Trump associates have used it a thousand times during J6 insurrection testimonies.
Not that they have anything to hide. :)

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2023, 02:29:37 AM »
"Yes, pleading the fifth technically, does not prove guilt..  ..But why not clear your name once and for all.."

Pleading the fifth is a valuable right. Trump associates have used it a thousand times during J6 insurrection testimonies.
Not that they have anything to hide. :)

  Best you can do in defending the Commies ?
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2023, 05:50:26 AM »
Roy Cohn, hero to McCarthy and Mr Trump - died of AIDS !!!

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2023, 05:54:44 AM »
“If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Donald Trump

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2023, 06:46:24 AM »
Roy Cohn, hero to McCarthy and Mr Trump - died of AIDS !!!
  So, what does that have to do with either McCarthy or Trump? 

  I have had good friends die of diabetes and possibly lumbago.. But I don't have either..  So?
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2023, 06:48:30 AM »
“If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Donald Trump

  The OP is concerning McCarthy vs Commies.. Trump in neither, so why is he being brought up?
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2023, 08:00:55 AM »
“If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Donald Trump

  The OP is concerning McCarthy vs Commies.. Trump in neither, so why is he being brought up?


Because that's all he's got.
Aim small, miss small!!!

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2023, 09:44:29 AM »


   I can recall watching the  hearings..  I thought he was on to something...since so many pled the fifth amendment, when asked if they were
    Commies.  Yes, pleading the fifth technically, does not prove guilt..  ..But why not clear your name once and for all..

    I am no Commie, and I would be fast and sure to point it out if asked..

   Joe McCarthy wasn'talone back then..here is a very credible witness to the Communist infiltration...
   https://www.reaganfoundation.org/education/curriculum-and-resources/resources/reagan-hollywood-and-the-red-scare/
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2023, 09:52:34 AM »
Roy Cohn was McCarthy’s lawyer and co-hort during the hearings.  Mr Trump often laments “where is my Roy Cohn”

Interesting that this closet homosexual, who died of AIDS, is so well thought of now

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2023, 10:11:50 AM »
  Interesting.."women are like spaghetti, men are like waffles"..

  It is women whose minds seem to mix things thoroughly, whereas men tend to "compartmentalize"..

   It has been said that Michangelo was a homosexual ! If so, that is regrettable, but still his own business.  ..And we must admit that he did
   produce some great works of art !
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2023, 10:54:06 AM »


   I can recall watching the  hearings..  I thought he was on to something...since so many pled the fifth amendment, when asked if they were
    Commies.  Yes, pleading the fifth technically, does not prove guilt..  ..But why not clear your name once and for all..

    I am no Commie, and I would be fast and sure to point it out if asked..

   Joe McCarthy wasn'talone back then..here is a very credible witness to the Communist infiltration...
   https://www.reaganfoundation.org/education/curriculum-and-resources/resources/reagan-hollywood-and-the-red-scare/
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No, your a commie in training and don’t realize it. Where do you think socialism leads to?

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2023, 01:21:56 PM »
Socialism leads to things like schools and libraries.  You should have taken advantage of them.

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2023, 01:39:43 PM »
Socialism leads to things like schools and libraries.  You should have taken advantage of them.

   https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2023, 03:36:54 PM »

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2023, 03:47:05 PM »
“The goal of socialism is communism”

Where has that ever happened? Slap it on me!

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2023, 05:44:53 PM »
“The goal of socialism is communism”

Where has that ever happened? Slap it on me!

   USSR.. or  UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS...    Does that ring a bell ?

  Must be you missed out on the bloody reign of terror by the Socialist Republics...  Millions died...others spent years in the gulags, often dying there.

     https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulag

     Here is everyday Soviet life 1917 to 1989.. except for the fat cat bosses.

     https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/23/history-soviet-union-everyday-life-russia-ukraine/
   
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2023, 06:25:37 PM »
You and Lenin claim that socialism leads to communism.
Show us a socialist country that became communist.

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2023, 01:26:41 AM »
You and Lenin claim that socialism leads to communism.
Show us a socialist country that became communist.

    USSR.. or  UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS...    Does that ring a bell ?

   Do you have that degree of negative comprehension?  Just as Democrats like to cut our rights by claiming , "it's for the children",
   
     So the socialist countries claim they are taking over a country, "for the people"., but too often, they end up making the people poor and
     dependent on government' for everything.

      One of the first things socialists demand, is to take guns away from the people!  They do this because they know very well that they plan on
    doing things to the people, that the people don't want..and may well resist.  This is their plan from the start.

   Socialism starts out with an appeal to the low in formation street mob to do their part, but ending up with the powerful core cadre taking over in a
   dictatorial role.

   Just look at some of the most repressive regimes..  Too often, their repressive institutions have the prefix.."People's Republic"..while the people
    are being treated like sheep.... some going to their slaughter.... most often starting with their "useful idiot" street mob.

   Another, often overlooked factor..  Why do socialist/Communist regimes so often repress religion?  Simple answer.. They want to be "god" !

    For heaven's sake...GET A CLUE !

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2023, 03:36:00 AM »
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So the socialist countries claim they are taking over a country, "for the people"., but too often, they end up making the people poor and
     dependent on government' for everything.

      One of the first things socialists demand, is to take guns away from the people!  They do this because they know very well that they plan on
    doing things to the people, that the people don't want..and may well resist.  This is their plan from the start.

   Socialism starts out with an appeal to the low in formation street mob to do their part, but ending up with the powerful core cadre taking over in a
   dictatorial role.

   Just look at some of the most repressive regimes..  Too often, their repressive institutions have the prefix.."People's Republic"..while the people
    are being treated like sheep.... some going to their slaughter.... most often starting with their "useful idiot" street mob.
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IG: that statement is overly generalized. The "they" that you so liberally use is accurate some of the time but not most of the time (NOTE: I am NOT defending socialism or communism. I am pointing out that some of what you have written in the quoted passage overly generalized and speculative.)
There are many "socialist" countries or, at least countries which include substantial "socialist" policies and programs in their day to day running.
They have not slid into communism. The way that you have presented your ideas implies that the the socialist to communist metamorphosis has occurred more than it really has. As noted earlier, there is a very limited number of communist countries....most of them third world countries.
"Socialism starts out with and appeal to......."      How prevalent is that policy? How about a few examples? Did that happen in the Soviet Union (No). Did it happen in China (no)?  Did it happen in Cuba (no)? Did it happen in VietNam, in Laos, in North Korea? (no)
So.....where did the street mob end up installing the powerful cadre?  The slaughter ...."most often starting with their useful idiot street mob"........this statement implies  that this has occurred often..."
Has it occurred at all the way you have presented it?
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2023, 11:06:34 AM »
Well said. But I suspect they won’t believe you.

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2023, 04:23:55 PM »
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So the socialist countries claim they are taking over a country, "for the people"., but too often, they end up making the people poor and
     dependent on government' for everything.

      One of the first things socialists demand, is to take guns away from the people!  They do this because they know very well that they plan on
    doing things to the people, that the people don't want..and may well resist.  This is their plan from the start.

   Socialism starts out with an appeal to the low in formation street mob to do their part, but ending up with the powerful core cadre taking over in a
   dictatorial role.

   Just look at some of the most repressive regimes..  Too often, their repressive institutions have the prefix.."People's Republic"..while the people
    are being treated like sheep.... some going to their slaughter.... most often starting with their "useful idiot" street mob.
,
IG: that statement is overly generalized. The "they" that you so liberally use is accurate some of the time but not most of the time (NOTE: I am NOT defending socialism or communism. I am pointing out that some of what you have written in the quoted passage overly generalized and speculative.)
There are many "socialist" countries or, at least countries which include substantial "socialist" policies and programs in their day to day running.
They have not slid into communism. The way that you have presented your ideas implies that the the socialist to communist metamorphosis has occurred more than it really has. As noted earlier, there is a very limited number of communist countries....most of them third world countries.
"Socialism starts out with and appeal to......."      How prevalent is that policy? How about a few examples? Did that happen in the Soviet Union (No). Did it happen in China (no)?  Did it happen in Cuba (no)? Did it happen in VietNam, in Laos, in North Korea? (no)
So.....where did the street mob end up installing the powerful cadre?  The slaughter ...."most often starting with their useful idiot street mob"........this statement implies  that this has occurred often..."
Has it occurred at all the way you have presented it?

    While I did not say every country that dabbles with Socialism..reverts to Communism ? But many of them fulfil what Lenin said they would do!

   Trumpy challenged me.." “The goal of socialism is communism” Where has that ever happened? Slap it on me!"

   So I "slapped it on him" ..furnished him with perhaps the most obvious example.. the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS...

   ..But you were not happy with that..

  So then you challenge me... " How prevalent is that policy? How about a few examples? Did that happen in the Soviet Union (No). Did it happen in China (no)?  Did it happen in Cuba (no)? Did it happen in VietNam, in Laos, in North Korea? (no)"

   So, do you not think those countries are Communist run?  Admittedly, some are more severe than others..but they all are suffering under
   Communism !

  Despite their denials...Socialiam is a foundation for Fascism..  Remember.."The left regularly accuses others of what they are doing themselves."

  It was the root and origin of Nazism... Are you not aware of what NAZI stands for?  It is an acronym for Nationalsozialist
   anglicized as NATIONAL SOCIALIST !  Early on it was referred to as NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKER'S PARTY ... or NSDAP..

  Socialism, Communism, Fascism or Nazism, all have one feature in common... the people must be ready to cast their trust and faith in GOVERNMENT !  ...And this happens when people turn their collective backs on the God who created them..

   Just consider here in the USA at this time.. speaking in generalities..

      Who insists on preserving our US Constitution and our constitutional way of life?  Christian believers, that's who !

      Who wants to swap our Constitutional freedoms for a Socialist Utopia?  Basically unbelievers, that's who !

  Everybody was created with a place in their soul that craves for leadership and direction..For some it's God..for others it's Gov ..
   
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2023, 05:02:08 PM »
Socialism leads to things like schools and libraries.  You should have taken advantage of them.
I'll ask the millions that died when Lenin was in power how many schools and library's they went to.
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2023, 01:55:25 AM »
  Hard to believe that people who were brought up under a constitutional republic, would be so fast to discard the best form of government ever
   devised, in favor of a life under systematic slavery.

   Guys; I hope you noted that barb wire fence shown above.  It was REAL, and  I HAVE SEEN IT !  the machine guns in those towers..were facing
    INWARD !  No need to face outward, since nOBODY was trying to GET IN!

      Those guns would be firing over a couple hundred yards of MINE FIELD.  DO my words sound passionate?  You better believe it !

    I don't know about some here, but I am not eager to put my grandchildren under such an unGodly and brutal regime.

     IMPRINT THIS IN YOUR CONSCIENCE.
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