End times/armageddon/apocalypse/ doomsday

[ironglow]

I just love reading these discussions.  You guys are just confirming my belief that worshipping a higher power is a human concept, and has no basis in factual events.

Roger.....Laughing at humanity.

Deer, cows, and horses all eat grass, but all threes poop looks different. Do you know why, without looking it up?

   I heard the joke in about 1955, but I won't spoil it..

  So my answer will be just one word....COLIFORM !

[locust]

I just love reading these discussions.  You guys are just confirming my belief that worshipping a higher power is a human concept, and has no basis in factual events.

Roger.....Laughing at humanity.

why ?  Genesis 1:27
New International Version
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them." 

God's propagative 

[GTS225]

why ?  Genesis 1:27
New International Version
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them." 

God's propagative

Yep....."New International Version"  Another interpretation of the bible, watered down to reflect current society's values.
IF I were to believe in the words of the bible, it would have to be a direct translation from the original Hebrew one from 2000 years ago.  Even then, "WE" have absolutely no empirical evidence that it's not a fictional novel written by 3 guys sitting around a table 2000 years ago.

Additionally, if "man" was made in God's image, just why the hell are we so IMperfect?

Sorry.....still VERY skeptical.....Roger

Oops.....sorry about the run-on of bold type.  Not sure what happened there.

[ironglow]

why ?  Genesis 1:27
New International Version
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them." 

God's propagative

Yep....."New International Version"  Another interpretation of the bible, watered down to reflect current society's values.
IF I were to believe in the words of the bible, it would have to be a direct translation from the original Hebrew one from 2000 years ago.  Even then, "WE" have absolutely no empirical evidence that it's not a fictional novel written by 3 guys sitting around a table 2000 years ago.

Additionally, if "man" was made in God's image, just why the hell are we so IMperfect?

Sorry.....still VERY skeptical.....Roger

Oops.....sorry about the run-on of bold type.  Not sure what happened there.

    Here you go, take it or leave it !:

   https://www.facebook.com/reel/1000986134448987

[Dee]

I just love reading these discussions.  You guys are just confirming my belief that worshipping a higher power is a human concept, and has no basis in factual events.

Roger.....Laughing at humanity.

Deer, cows, and horses all eat grass, but all threes poop looks different. Do you know why, without looking it up?

   I heard the joke in about 1955, but I won't spoil it..

  So my answer will be just one word....COLIFORM !

You likely just did.

[GTS225]

    Here you go, take it or leave it !:

   https://www.facebook.com/reel/1000986134448987

Oh, the irony.  How's your reaction to my skepticism jibe with those scriptures you claim to read?  Seems to me, from my recollection of what I've read of the bible, you're not being very.........."helpful" in steering me toward the "right" path.  My memories tell me to "love thy neighbor".   Maybe it's that new testament you're reading that left out those verses.

Just more confirmation for me.....Roger.....and I'm out.

[ironglow]

From GTS 225;

   " Oh, the irony.  How's your reaction to my skepticism jibe with those scriptures you claim to read?  Seems to me, from my recollection of what I've read of the bible, you're not being very.........."helpful" in steering me toward the "right" path.  My memories tell me to "love thy neighbor".   Maybe it's that new testament you're reading that left out those verses."
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  Perhaps you should have read the New Testament..  Contrary to what you seem to espouse, my reactions jibe very well with those scriptures.

  You have been here on GBO for a fair number of years..and have viewed discussions of those very scriptures.

   Fact is that short video was an effort to give you a "wake up call', since you claim to have been interested at one time.  That video in mno way
    shuts you away from salvation, but quite the reverse, reminding you that it is indeed NOT TOO LATE !

   Kind words evidently did not reach you..so a bit of "tough love" may be in order..

   If yoyu had read that New Testament with a modicvum of effort. you would have found that God even gives up oin some people and some sins,
    after years of sounding the warning and getting nothing but negative rsponse.

   " 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

  Keep in mind, it's NOT TOO LATE !   ..As the man in the video said..."you choose"...

[Graybeard]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

[Dee]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

Your right.  It is a NEW AGE COPYRIGHTED version. Called the "World English Bible" which was copied from yet another copy, "The American Standard version. All of which have some 60,000+ changes, deletions, additions, and twists of actual scriptures. They are as worthless, and misleading as other NEW AGE "COPYRIGHTED" versions like the NIV and other bastardazations of the original King James version.
They print this "NEW AGE TRASH" give it a different name and a certain group of folks buy the junk and believe they've really found something special. But note: ITS COPYRIGHTED. They're making a killing on them, while the Original King James ISN'T COPYRIGHTED and can be printed freely for what it was intended to be.

[Bob Riebe]

A whole lot of people thought they knew when the end would happen. The Mayans, William Miller, Jim Jones, Branch Davidians, Heavens Gates, and Nostradamus. The only one who might get it right is Nostradamus. He says it wont be till 3786, or 3797. Since I don't think I'll last that long, I'll try and not lose to much sleep over it!

   All those you listed are false prophets..and have been proven so.  Jesus told his followers to "watch and wait", because even He did not know
   the day or hour of His return. That was reserved by the Father (Matt 24:36)...However, we know it will happen..

 

I thought you believed in the trinity. Jesus is your God ,how could he not know ?

Jesus words are turth, and if he says the Father has not told, the Father has not told him.

[locust]

A whole lot of people thought they knew when the end would happen. The Mayans, William Miller, Jim Jones, Branch Davidians, Heavens Gates, and Nostradamus. The only one who might get it right is Nostradamus. He says it wont be till 3786, or 3797. Since I don't think I'll last that long, I'll try and not lose to much sleep over it!

   All those you listed are false prophets..and have been proven so.  Jesus told his followers to "watch and wait", because even He did not know
   the day or hour of His return. That was reserved by the Father (Matt 24:36)...However, we know it will happen..

 

I thought you believed in the trinity. Jesus is your God ,how could he not know ?

Jesus words are turth, and if he says the Father has not told, the Father has not told him.

what definition of trinity are  you using ? are they not the same god ?

[Bob Riebe]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

Romans 1:28-32
King James Version
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:28-32
Young's Literal Translation
18 for revealed is the wrath of God from heaven upon all impiety and unrighteousness of men, holding down the truth in unrighteousness.
19 Because that which is known of God is manifest among them, for God did manifest [it] to them,
20 for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead -- to their being inexcusable;
21 because, having known God they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor gave thanks, but were made vain in their reasonings, and their unintelligent heart was darkened,
22 professing to be wise, they were made fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of fowls, and of quadrupeds, and of reptiles.
24 Wherefore also God did give them up, in the desires of their hearts, to uncleanness, to dishonour their bodies among themselves;
25 who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed to the ages. Amen.
26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;
27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.
28 And, according as they did not approve of having God in knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things not seemly;
29 having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers,
30 evil-speakers, God-haters, insulting, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 unintelligent, faithless, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful;
32 who the righteous judgment of God having known -- that those practising such things are worthy of death -- not only do them, but also have delight with those practising them.

Two old versions for a direct comparison; the Contemporarey English Version, pretty much said the same thing in curret English, but also call them stupid and says they are always thinking up new ways to do Evil.

[Dee]

A small example to my point. English Standard Version,  & NIV

https://logosherald.com/kjv-bible-verses-removed-from-modern-versions/

[Bob Riebe]

Best site of what Bible chopped verses and what was chopped out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations

[ironglow]

   We are blessed by the internet...as well as being cursed.  So much knowlege is available at our fingertips, which was not available  heretofore.

    We are all capable of sorting out both the old and new testaments, just about as well as the best Bible scholars, since we have them at our fingertips.  The particular I am referrring to, is the available Bible interlinears, which are available for use ..entirely free !

  Here for instance, is Romans ch 1;   https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rom1.pdf

  Most of the newer versions have been produced to simplify for current word usage..  For instance, check out (Romans 1:13) in the KJV vs the NKJV
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    Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among.   (KJV)

        13 Now I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that I often planned to come to you (but was hindered until now), that I might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles.
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   Notice, the KJVsays but was let hitherto  while the NKJV says, but was hindered until now

   Both are correct..the only difference being that our English language has changed over the last 5 centuries.!  What was meant by "let" in 1611, 
  now means "hindered or prevented".. and "hitherto" is most often phrased in the 21st century, as "until now"..

   Personally,, I like the KJV..but I also and most often use the NKJV.  Some others are good.. ESV, NASB...

   But some are too reflective of the author's personal views..    Personal hint..stay away from Good News, Amplified and especially the brand new
   "Passion" version.

     

[locust]

1 Corinthians 10:25 KJV
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

[ironglow]

1 Corinthians 10:25 KJV
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

   The NKJV version..  "25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;"

   The "Shambles" is a street in York, England, more or less reserved for shelves where local butchers sold their wares...

  Remember; the KJV was translated in England, and worked well for the English people, using the terms of that era.  Today we have enough MS to
    search out exactly waht was meant.

   

[JeffG]

[ironglow]

   ...^^^BINGO^^^...what Jeff posted.  Fact is, many just don't want to hear it !

[ironglow]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

   As Dee said Bill, there are some very,,shall we say, "loosely" translated versions of the scriptures.  As in any field there are credible sources and those that lack credibility..

  "Science" too has those types too.  There are honest climatologists...then there are the "golbal warming' or "climate change" types.  We can find
  misleading "experts" in almost every field.  ..And yes it takes a fair amount of study to discern the difference.

  One can study various translations, comparing them to the interlinears..  Or you can find a preacher  who you trust, and see what he uses..

  There are newer issues out there, which are getting published, but then we are warned that thwere will be "false teachers"  out there.

  One new example is th e"PASSION" bible..stay away like the plague..it was written for the "wokeists" who pretend to be Christian..

   

[locust]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

   As Dee said Bill, there are some very,,shall we say, "loosely" translated versions of the scriptures.  As in any field there are credible sources and those that lack credibility..

  "Science" too has those types.  There are honest climatologists...then there are the "golbal warming' or "climate change" types.  We can find
  misleading "experts" i almost every field.  ..And yes it takes a fair amount of study to discern the difference.

  One can study various translations, comparing them to the interlinears..  Or you can find a preacher  who you trust, and see what he uses..

  There are newer issues out there, which are getting published, but then we are warned that thwere will be "false teachers"  out there.

  One new example is th e"PASSION" bible..stay away like the plague..it was written for the "wokeists" who pretend to be Christian..

 

you may not like it but there can only be one way to please God well

[Mule 11]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

   As Dee said Bill, there are some very,,shall we say, "loosely" translated versions of the scriptures.  As in any field there are credible sources and those that lack credibility..

  "Science" too has those types.  There are honest climatologists...then there are the "golbal warming' or "climate change" types.  We can find
  misleading "experts" i almost every field.  ..And yes it takes a fair amount of study to discern the difference.

  One can study various translations, comparing them to the interlinears..  Or you can find a preacher  who you trust, and see what he uses..

  There are newer issues out there, which are getting published, but then we are warned that thwere will be "false teachers"  out there.

  One new example is th e"PASSION" bible..stay away like the plague..it was written for the "wokeists" who pretend to be Christian..

 

you may not like it but there can only be one way to please God well

And, what way is that?

[locust]

" 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (.....Rom 1:28-32)

I'm gonna be honest with ya. I don't believe some of those words were in the vocabulary of the folks who were writing the Hebrew bible 2000 years ago. I think some of that was tossed in at a latter date in the process of translation.

   As Dee said Bill, there are some very,,shall we say, "loosely" translated versions of the scriptures.  As in any field there are credible sources and those that lack credibility..

  "Science" too has those types.  There are honest climatologists...then there are the "golbal warming' or "climate change" types.  We can find
  misleading "experts" i almost every field.  ..And yes it takes a fair amount of study to discern the difference.

  One can study various translations, comparing them to the interlinears..  Or you can find a preacher  who you trust, and see what he uses..

  There are newer issues out there, which are getting published, but then we are warned that thwere will be "false teachers"  out there.

  One new example is th e"PASSION" bible..stay away like the plague..it was written for the "wokeists" who pretend to be Christian..

 

you may not like it but there can only be one way to please God well

And, what way is that?

evidently you have not yet found it . its the one and likely the only one that promotes what was said  by Simon Peter    New International Version
Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

New Living Translation
Simon Peter replied, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words that give eternal life.

English Standard Version
Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life,

Berean Standard Bible
Simon Peter replied, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Berean Literal Bible
Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of eternal life.

King James Bible
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

New King James Version
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

New American Standard Bible
Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

NASB 1995
Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

NASB 1977
Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.
 if eternal life is not declared in your church you are not in the right place. keep searching  ....John 4:23 King James Bible
New King James Version
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

[ironglow]

  By the same token..let's look at (John 1:1)

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (KJV)

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (NKJV)

       In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   (ESV)

        In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (NASB)

    THe above versions are generally regarded by Bible scholars, to be likely th eclosest to the the original MS..  No difference  between them, right?

   
        Now, boys and girls, let us take a look at the JW's New World Translation...

         “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god .” (NWT)

   Anybody notice any difference?  Perhaps the added "a" or the refusal to capatalize His name.... "God" ?

   This is a clear attack on His diety..is it not ?

   Perhaps instead of calling it the New World Translation, it should be called the OTHER WORLD TRANSLATION !

       

[Graybeard]

Some of us old farts can't see these weird text colors you chose.

[locust]

  By the same token..let's look at (John 1:1)

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (KJV)

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (NKJV)

       In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   (ESV)

        In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (NASB)

    THe above versions are generally regarded by Bible scholars, to be likely th eclosest to the the original MS..  No difference  between them, right?

   
        Now, boys and girls, let us take a look at the JW's New World Translation...

         “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god .” (NWT)

   Anybody notice any difference?  Perhaps the added "a" or the refusal to capatalize His name.... "God" ?

   This is a clear attack on His diety..is it not ?

   Perhaps instead of calling it the New World Translation, it should be called the OTHER WORLD TRANSLATION !

     

''In the beginning was the Word,'' yes in the beginning of God's creative works ,the very first of his creative works was the one very much like him self .that one  proved to be a servant ,a master worker .doing the things his God directed him to do. you may wonder why would the most high God need someone to help in the act of creation ??

[locust]

the most high God is perfect in every way . can perfection share with something that is not also perfect? by rights every thing God does should also be perfect .yet in all of creation nothing is as perfect as the most high God . it cant happen ,even heaven it self  barley has adequacy for him to remain there . he even out shines heaven in glory.                 
   someone lesser in God's kingdom  ,a servant, given the authority to act in God's behalf could  . and do so with God's blessing . we now know his name ,he is Jesus the Christ.

[ironglow]

the most high God is perfect in every way . can perfection share with something that is not also perfect? by rights every thing God does should also be perfect .yet in all of creation nothing is as perfect as the most high God . it cant happen ,even heaven it self  barley has adequacy for him to remain there . he even out shines heaven in glory.                 
   someone lesser in God's kingdom  ,a servant, given the authority to act in God's behalf could  . and do so with God's blessing . we now know his name ,he is Jesus the Christ.

  Look Locust; Sorry, but you have been talking JW gibberish at least for your last two posts.  That very verse you are trying to rephrase (John 1:1),
   is accepted by Lutherans, Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Nazarenes, Assemblies of God, Methodists, Presbyterians, and virtually any Christian
   body you may encounter.

  Yes, I know what those 6 or 8 old men in Tuxedo Park tell you... but just consider..Could those guys be righjt and so many millions of Christians
     be wrong?    Are you sure Russell was right?

  How about the numerous times your leaders predicted the end..1914, 1918, 1925 and 1975 ?

   " 20 But the aprophet, which shall bpresume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we aknow the word which the Lord hath not spoken?"   (Deut 18:20)

 

  "ESV when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."  (Deut 18:22)

   Perhaps time to reconsider?

[locust]

  Look Locust; Sorry, but you have been talking JW gibberish at least for your last two posts.  That very verse you are trying to rephrase (John 1:1),
   is accepted by Lutherans, Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, Nazarenes, Assemblies of God, Methodists, Presbyterians, and virtually any Christian
   body you may encounter.

 

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."                                                                                                         
that BTW included all those you have mentioned and many more. you might figure it out eventually , or end up taking it to the grave .
there is Romans 6:7  "because anyone who has died has been set free from sin." to then receive a resurrection to live under the authority of the kingdom . i trust you have heard of the kingdom. you may have even prayed that it comes to earth even  as it is in heaven.

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