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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2023, 03:52:07 PM »
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2023, 04:48:47 PM »
Robert E. Lee fought in the Mexican war in 1845 and did well for the US.  He was considered by Lincoln to be the General of the Northern Armies.  He declined and fought for his State as most southerners did.  They fought for their states.  He is still studied at West Point.  His tactics were applied by both sides in WWI.  So he was a great General.  All his statues were of him as a General, not a plantation owner.  By the way, Grant was married to a southern plantation owner and they didn't free their slaves until AFTER the Civil War. 

Studies have shown that slavery would have eventually died out with share cropping.  Share cropping replaced slavery after the Civil War, so not much changed except the destruction of the south.  In my county alone, it took about 40 years after the court house was burned to sort out who owned what land and re-establish property lines.  They also burned the railway station and the warehouses in my home county.  This was in early 1865.  There was really no need in this destruction as the war was almost over by then. 90% of the former slaves stayed on the same plantations and worked as share croppers.  Sure they were free, but they knew nothing else except farming.  Most didn't read.  Some of the younger former slaves went up north to the big cities to look for jobs.  Share cropping actually was beginning in the border slave states like Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, and Delaware, thus they didn't succeed. 

Lincoln forced the war by using the forts at the entrances to every southern harbor city to collect tariffs.  Tariffs were raised in 1858 and they affected exports like cotton as well as imported European goods.  Lincoln used tariffs to force the south to give up slavery.

   You are vbasically correct..Gen Lee was a great soldier, and Pres Lincoln did offer him the job of overall command of the US Army, which Lee declined.

   Of course  many of the field grade officers who served on both sides, were West Point grads, who served side by side during the Mexican war.
   I believe that if you search further, you will find that the slaves Lee did own, came as property from his wife's family, and Lee was working to
  gradually free them.

  ..But let's go back to the lefty proposition, that "these confederate generals committed the great sin of owning a slave or two.. OK, so why
   don't we topple statues of Gen officers, north or south.. who stole something, cheated on his wife, or padded his expense account?

  Maybe being especially cruel to animals..or lying about something, should be sufficient excuse to trash any memorial..being as those things are still sins !

  So, I am still inquiring..What would you say we caucasian folks who had zip..zilch..nada to do with slavery..  What would it take to make you happy? 

  Even in Dixie, few people were wealthy enough to own slaves..  Most farmers were not Plantation owners.

  In any case, how is it justifiable that 21st century Carl, must somehow, pay for the sins committed by Alvin, back in 1773 (whom he knows nothing about) ?
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2023, 05:50:00 PM »
Historical Introduction: Confederate Monuments

https://www.atlantahistorycenter.com/learning-and-research/projects-initiatives/confederate-monument-interpretation-guide/historical-introduction-confederate-monuments/#:~:text=Put%20simply%3A%20an%20equestrian%20statue,Lost%20Cause%20of%20the%20Confederacy.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/confederate-statues/

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/historian-puts-the-push-to-remove-confederate-statues-in-context/

TrumpWon the Troll is justifying confederate monument destruction yall, so pay attention. If a community erected a confederate monument that someone in another state finds offensive, its gotta go.
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2023, 01:18:41 AM »
  Trumpy...  So some folks erected monuments of people they considered heroes..what's the big deal?  Most people are not confined to a single
   proposition...people's personalities are multi faceted !

  A man can be a mechanic and a town councilman at the same time..or a woman can be a housewife and a sales representative at the same time..

  Please name one perfect person ..other than Jesus, who ever lived...  Since you can't, perhaps no monuments or memorials should ever be erected.

 Should we clear all th emonuments out of cemeteries, and have no markers?  Where does this silliness stop? Isn't it time for all of us
   to ...  "just get over it"?

   Ft Gordon was just renamed Ft Eisenhower.. why?  Gen John B Gordon was a hero..he fought well as a
general, even though not graduated from any college.. much less a military school.

  Now, Gen D.D. Eisenhower was a great general..but was he without sin or flaw?

  During the last couple years a number of monuments have been erected to George Floyd.  Nice to know he was of such sterling character, so as
   tio have these monuments erected to his character..

  Perhaps you will fill us in on Floyd's history, since it is so superior to Gens Lee, Gordon, Hood and others..

  So give us a rundown of the great things George Floyd did in his trucated life..  Meanwhile, enjoy a portrait of Gen. John B Gordon..








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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2023, 03:19:42 AM »
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves.  Everyone in the south knew at some point slavery had to end, but in the beginning no one knew how to do it.  Slavery existed long before America.  When the Roman empire fell, half the empire were slaves.  That is one reason it fell so easily.  They got their freedom with the barbarians.  The Muslims kept and pushed slavery through the Middle Ages, and were the ones who started using and pushing the African slaves.  They were the ones who pushed slavery into the modern era. 

If you want to condem absolutely anyone from the south who owned slaves, then America that was set up as we know it would not have existed.  Half the founding fathers probably owned slaves.  Sure they kicked the can down the road, the same as the politicians today.  Today no one wants to deal with the budget, national debt, Social Security, or ILLEGAL immigration. 
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2023, 07:11:33 AM »
   

        The Hebrews were in bondage 400 years  in Egypt .  Before Moses came along .  Biblically a slave was to be set free after 7 years  of servitude.   

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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2023, 09:41:20 AM »
   

        The Hebrews were in bondage 400 years  in Egypt .  Before Moses came along .  Biblically a slave was to be set free after 7 years  of servitude.

   ...And the Jews aren't suing Egypt in the international courts for "reparations" ?  Maybe Egypt should be forced to give every Israeli 40 acres
    and a mule...

   On second thought..  Since such honorable men, such as Gens. Lee, Jackson, and Gordon are unworthy of monuments..  Let's check on one of the left's luminaries..George Floyd..

  Start with his biography:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

   His biography starts like this;

  " George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African-American man who was murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd may have used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020.[3] Derek Chauvin, one of the four police officers who arrived on the scene, knelt on Floyd's neck and back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds which caused a lack of oxygen.[4] After his murder, protests against police brutality, especially towards black people, quickly spread across the United States and globally. His dying words, "I can't breathe", became a rallying slogan.

Born in Fayetteville, North Carolina, Floyd grew up in Houston, Texas, playing football and basketball throughout high school and college. Between 1997 and 2005, he was convicted of eight crimes. He served four years in prison after accepting a plea bargain for a 2007 aggravated robbery in a home invasion.[5] After he was paroled in 2013, he served as a mentor in his religious community and posted anti-violence videos to social media.[6][7][8][9] In 2014, he moved to the Minneapolis area, residing in the nearby suburb of St. Louis Park, and worked as a truck driver and bouncer. In 2020, he lost his job as a truck driver, and then his security job during the COVID-19 pandemic."


  OK...so how does the left treat it's heroes?  Why they put up monuments and murals of folks who foster so much pride in left leaning hearts !
 
     THey even picture him with "angel wings and halo"....and people come in uniform to kneel in adoration..
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2023, 11:14:22 AM »
  ...But sometimes it appears...God corrects the record...   ;)  :D  ;D

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7XiiaWg6o
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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2023, 11:31:36 AM »
What’s for dinner? Red herring?

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2023, 12:01:26 PM »
Keeping in mind;  Do you REALLY think George Floyd is worthy of worship ?  Is Floyd truly more deserving of a monument, than say..Robert E Lee or Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson? 
     As far as your red herring remark..see below.
 
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2023, 12:18:57 PM »
Well, flounder is really only distracted by Johnson, ya know, big Johnson the new speaker of the house... flounder never met a Johnson he didn’t like :)

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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2023, 12:59:30 PM »
What’s for dinner? Red herring?


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Re: the new southern klan
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2023, 03:24:09 AM »
all i know is its a slap in the face to ALL veterans

Especially the black ones :)

   Yeah... Here we go again..race...race...race..  Everything goes back to race with these narrow, single focus minds..

   ..But they are not truly single focus, most often they just focus upon anything that will bring about stress, division and conflict among people.

The truly narrow, single focus minds will never address the true root of the issue, slavery.

  See!^^  He/she does at times, try to debate...even if by simple "one-liners", trying to assert that slavery, of and by others of nearly 2 centuries ago,

 should have a profound effect upon different people, now 2 centuries removed from that ugly situation..
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