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Is the Pope Catholic?
« on: November 11, 2023, 11:52:20 AM »
You've heard the expression.   Is the Pope Catholic?
Perhaps he's like most Republicans in DC these days. "IN NAME ONLY"

Pope Francis has removed Bishop Joseph Strickland, a strong advocate of traditional Catholic teachings, from his duties in the diocese of Tyler, Texas.

The move, announced by the Vatican Saturday, comes after the Vatican's Dicastery for Bishops finished its formal investigation, an apostolic visitation, into the diocese earlier this year, the Catholic News Agency (CNA) reported.

In a statement from the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Cardinal Daniel Denardo said, said,“As a result of the visitation, the recommendation was made to the Holy Father that the continuation in office of Bishop Strickland was not feasible.

"After months of careful consideration by the Dicastery for Bishops and the Holy Father, the decision was reached that the resignation of Bishop Strickland should be requested. Having been presented with that request on November 9, 2023, Bishop Strickland declined to resign from office. Thereafter, on November 11, 2023, the Holy Father removed Bishop Strickland from the Office of Bishop of Tyler."

The Vatican replaced Bishop Strickland with an apostolic administrator.

The investigation included an examination of Strickland's use of social media, along with questions related to the management of the diocese.

The probe came after Strickland, 65, had been posting social media messages and making other announcements critical of the Pope's support of "radical left-wing changes" to Church teachings.

Pope Francis and American Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, the prefect of the Dicastery for Bishops met Saturday morning before the Vatican announced the pope's decision to remove Strickland.

Strickland's firing sparked an immediate outcry among conservatives and traditionalists.

Michael J. Matt, editor of the traditionalist newspaper The Remnant, wrote, with the firing, Francis was "actively trying to bury fidelity to the Church of Jesus Christ."

"This is total war," Matt wrote on X, formerly Twitter. "Francis is a clear and present danger not only to Catholics the world over but also to the whole world itself."


The pope's firing of Strickland comes this week as the Vatican announced transgender individuals could be baptized and serve as godparents.

Critics say the move is not consistent with traditional Catholic teaching which sees transgender activities as a sin, making baptism allowable only after confession.

The reason for the bishop's removal was not revealed in the Vatican's statement, which was described as a routine outline of global staffing changes by The New York Times.

Strickland recently responded to the investigation into his leadership and the talk about his leadership in a letter stating that he could not resign "because that would be me abandoning the flock" and said he would only step aside if the pope removed him.

Pope Francis has continually claimed he is open and welcomes dissent, but he has taken harsh steps against traditionalists in the hierarchy who have disagreed with him.

Last year, Francis defrocked Father Frank Pavone, the nation's leading Catholic pro-life advocate.

In 2022, Francis shocked Catholics by appointing a pro-abortion economist to the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life.

Strickland, over the past year has questioned Vatican officials' qualifications as Catholics, accused Francis of undermining the Catholic faith, and claimed the pope's synod that convened last month threatens "basic truths" of the church's doctrine.

"Regrettably, it may be that some will label as schismatics those who disagree with the changes being proposed," Strickland wrote in a public letter in August.

"Instead, those who would propose changes to that which cannot be changed seek to commandeer Christ's Church, and they are indeed the true schismatics."

The Pope's synod, called the Synod on Synodality, appears to be moving to allow Catholic blessings for homosexual civil unions.

Such a move, Church traditionalists, argue would directly contravene the Magisterium, the long-held teaching of the church which only permits sexual relations in traditional marriage between a man and woman.

CNA reported that during Strickland's more than 10 years in Tyler, the diocese went through several changes, including the resignation of three diocesan officials.

But there have also been some positive signs in the diocese, which has 21 men in priestly formation in the diocese, which serves 119,168 Catholics. And the diocese is considered financially healthy.

Before the pope's firing of Strickland, there had been rumors the Holy Father was planning to take action against him.

Strickland was chastised privately in November 2021 by Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the papal nuncio, or ambassador, to the United States, during a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The American Church has offered stiff opposition to Francis' efforts to depart from the church's teaching on marriage and homosexuality.

The pope reportedly criticized American Catholics during a visit to Portugal in August for having a "very strong, organized, reactionary attitude" on issues such as abortion and sexuality rather than focusing on concerns such as climate change and caring for migrants.

Despite his firing, Strickland will continue to have a platform to disagree with Francis through a weekly radio show and more than 150,000 followers on X, formerly Twitter.
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2023, 11:57:20 AM »
Like any empire, the Roman Catholic church will die from internal rot, not external.

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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2023, 03:29:07 PM »
I've been done with Catholicism since Vatican II, and the changes seen by me in Catholic clergy and how they interacted with the public. 
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2023, 12:24:35 AM »
I walked away from Catholicism, indeed from religion, nearly 50 years ago. No regrets.
Given that.....the RC church does seem to have walked away from the values that we were taught back inn the day.
Has goodness become less good? Has evil become less so?
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2023, 05:24:49 AM »
i wont walk away from the church but have from this pope. he has nothing to do with my personal worship of God.  this could just end up being his bud lite moment
I walked away from Catholicism, indeed from religion, nearly 50 years ago. No regrets.
Given that.....the RC church does seem to have walked away from the values that we were taught back inn the day.
Has goodness become less good? Has evil become less so?
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2023, 06:51:14 AM »
   The question is.. "what is Catholic" ?  There seem to be several strains, all calling themselves Catholic..  However, they are not alone, in that
  The entire Christian communityis very diverse these days.

  We have those which are very traditional and Biblical, and others that seem to be chasing what we were warned against..
 
   Some are looking for "extra Biblical" revelations..while others are gathering in big crowds, jumping up and down to raucous music,
     saying weird things, and doing weird stuff, all the while knowing litte or nothing form our guide book, the Bible..
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2023, 07:37:05 AM »
think of it like this everyone here is an american. how many believe joe biden is there leader. how many here left the country because they dont like biden
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2023, 08:10:47 AM »
think of it like this everyone here is an american. how many believe joe biden is there leader. how many here left the country because they dont like biden


But, at least we can vote against biden, and he doesn't have lifetime tenure.  Although at the way he's going that might not be true.
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2023, 09:50:40 AM »
true. i personally think popes should have to be voted in by all catholics. but again the democrats have proved that thats not always done fairly either. should also be voted on every 4 years because popes are even worse then sleepy joe in being senile half dead leaders. even cardnals should be voted on. the way it is now the pope stacks the deck for who he wants to follow him. but like i said none of that nonsense effects me or my worship come sunday morning. God is my leader not some half dead old man wearing gay red shoes
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2023, 12:27:52 PM »
Since I'm not a catholic I don't really know or care if the Pope is one. Gotta admit with some of the decisions coming from him of late it is a question to consider. Some prophecy from long ago medium or seer seemed to predict he will be the last pope.

Again, I'm not one so it doesn't matter to me.


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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2023, 09:39:56 AM »
Since I'm not a catholic I don't really know or care if the Pope is one. Gotta admit with some of the decisions coming from him of late it is a question to consider. Some prophecy from long ago medium or seer seemed to predict he will be the last pope.

Again, I'm not one so it doesn't matter to me.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/malachy-prophecy.html
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2023, 12:01:54 PM »
I walked away from Catholicism, indeed from religion, nearly 50 years ago. No regrets.



Christianity isn't a religion. You really should reconsider. Not completely sure what your belief is as far as Jesus Christ being your Lord and Savior. If you haven't accepted Him as such you certainly should. It would be pretty horrible to spend eternity in darkness, separated from God. 
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2023, 12:38:33 PM »
I walked away from Catholicism, indeed from religion, nearly 50 years ago. No regrets.



Christianity isn't a religion. You really should reconsider. Not completely sure what your belief is as far as Jesus Christ being your Lord and Savior. If you haven't accepted Him as such you certainly should. It would be pretty horrible to spend eternity in darkness, separated from God.

   Not a "religion", but a relationship...
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Re: Is the Pope Catholic?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2023, 12:58:21 PM »
"Bishop" Strickland is better off as far as I'm concerned.
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