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SpaceX launches this morning
« on: November 18, 2023, 02:28:08 AM »
   SpaceX starship lifted off from Boca Chica, TX this morning..  Already declared a success...so any data collected going forward, is a bonus..

   The margin of "Americans" who are running around, denouinciung their own country which they have been fortunate enough toi be born into,
   are looking like just what they are. ..Ungrateful, unlearned, nonsensical and just plain stupid !

   In what other country in this world, could this have been accomplished..where a super brilliant individual can invent, design, and launch a space
 program that rivals the very best that entire nations can do?

   Thumbs up for SpaceX, Elon Musk and his employees, and GOD BLESS the USA !!
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2023, 03:20:39 AM »
Apparently the orange one disagrees.


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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2023, 08:27:25 AM »
Funny how you cut the quote off just when it looked like it was going in another direction.   ::)
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2023, 08:36:40 AM »
Apparently the orange one disagrees.

Poor little Biden Boy. Nobody here buys his BS. ::)
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2023, 08:48:25 AM »
Reminiscent of our early space program. it was lost after a 15 minute flight. Evidently Self destruct.

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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2023, 09:23:54 AM »
Reminiscent of our early space program. it was lost after a 15 minute flight. Evidently Self destruct.

  AS I asked...  In what other nation could an entrepreneur accomplish such a feat?  Could be "the orange man" disagrees, but no big deal.."Orange"
   and I likely agree about 97% of the time; a far better batting average than I share with ANY Democrat.

   But as was announced by SpaceX at liftoff..
     ......SpaceX starship lifted off from Boca Chica, TX this morning..  Already declared a success...so any data collected going forward, is a bonus..
   So i guess it can easily be called A SUCCESS !

  (correction)
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2023, 09:27:15 AM »
A problem.
Clustered rockets are what destroyed the Soviet Moon Program; clustered rockets have now destroyed to of Musk's rockets.

I certainly hope NASA has not abandoned they rocket.

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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2023, 09:49:44 AM »
A problem.
Clustered rockets are what destroyed the Soviet Moon Program; clustered rockets have now destroyed to of Musk's rockets.

I certainly hope NASA has not abandoned they rocket.

  The photo I quickly picked up showing the SpaceX rocket, seems to have about the same propulsion system as the old space shuttle.

    https://www.space.com/11298-spacex-rocket-private-spaceflight-falcon9.html

   It doesn't follow logic.. If using clustered rockets, guarantees failure, it would not seem that the scientists and engineers for neither Russia or
   SpaceX, would even consider using them.

  Space shuttle 2 main engines and 3 clustered on shuttle itself...and the Atlas rocket cluster of three
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2023, 09:54:04 AM »
This time all 33 engines ignited, the stage separated, the booster flipped and fired the middle engines to boost back, then they blew it up. 

The upper stage (Starship), all 6 engines ignited and burned fine for about 6 minutes.  Then it too was blown up. 

Usually when that happens the guidance system makes them go off course.  So they have to blow them up over water so it doesn't hit land and a potential populated area. 

The pad didn't blow up like last time, and all engines worked, unlike last time.  They stages separated unlike last time. 

Now they had to replace an actuator arm on one of the grid fins right before launch due to corrosion.  They rocket has been on the pad since spring waiting on FAA approval.  So it could have been another one that was bad causing the booster on return to go off course.  The Starship might have had the same problem. 

They will work out the bugs.  They have 5-6 more already built to try again.  This is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built.  It is to be fully reusable.  Oh, they already light 27 engines on their Falcon Heavy's, so far with no failures.  Of course it is 3 Falcon 9's strapped together for more lift capability.  So they worked out the Falcon 9 problems before they built the Falcon Heavy.  They crashed about 15 of them trying to perfect landing the boosters.  Now they have landed over 200 times in a row. 
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2023, 11:57:58 AM »
   Perhaps some don't recall our first efforts with the space program, back in th elate 1950's and 1960's. 

  Don't we recall Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee?  They didn't even make it off the pad..  Then there were seven who died in the Challenger...all because of a big O-ring.

   So, in retrospect, this morning's flight was a success..
       https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/space/spacex-praises-successful-day-rocket-blew-up-mid-flight
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2023, 02:40:16 PM »
Elon's giant rocket Almost immediately it was clear that some of the 33 engines in the first stage had failed, and as it climbed into the sky, further engines flamed out. Before the Starship could separate from its booster, the entire rocket began spinning out of control. It exploded roughly 4 minutes into flight.

This was the first launch; problems with the second have not been defined yet.

None of NASA's previous rocket ever used clusters like this; this is what the Russians tried and fairled miserably with.
No Saturn rocket ever exploded.
Now Atlas and Titan, non human flight rockets, popped a few times.

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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2023, 11:37:22 PM »
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    Perhaps some don't recall our first efforts with the space program, back in th elate 1950's and 1960's.     Don't we recall Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee?  They didn't even make it off the pad..  Then there were seven who died in the Challenger...all because of a big O-ring.
Some of us do remember. That was the point of my earlier comment (”Reminiscent…..etc.) which you seemed to take exception to.

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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2023, 01:59:26 AM »
Apparently the orange one disagrees.

Reminiscent of our early space program. it was lost after a 15 minute flight. Evidently Self destruct.

Reminiscent of our early space program. it was lost after a 15 minute flight. Evidently Self destruct.

  AS I asked...  In what other nation could an entrepreneur accomplish such a feat?  Could be "the orange man" disagrees, but no big deal.."Orange"
   and I likely agree about 97% of the time; a far better batting average than I share with ANY Democrat.

   But as was announced by SpaceX at liftoff..
     ......SpaceX starship lifted off from Boca Chica, TX this morning..  Already declared a success...so any data collected going forward, is a bonus..
   So i guess it can easily be called A SUCCESS !

   Interesting that you should call Pres Trump "Orange man" something I only hear rad lefties say in reference to him.....
 
   Are you trying to tell us something?

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    Perhaps some don't recall our first efforts with the space program, back in th elate 1950's and 1960's.     Don't we recall Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee?  They didn't even make it off the pad..  Then there were seven who died in the Challenger...all because of a big O-ring.

Some of us do remember. That was the point of my earlier comment (”Reminiscent…..etc.) which you seemed to take exception to.

Seems ironglow may have gotten you stirred in with guzzler.  This happens when folks don't fall in line with his teaching moments.  8)
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2023, 02:15:30 AM »
  From Dee;
    "
Seems ironglow may have gotten you stirred in with guzzler.  This happens when folks don't fall in line with his teaching moments."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   If you look, you will see that correction is already made.  Sorry if we don't all live up to your standards of perfection..  Of course if anyone can be
   expected to "nit pick"..it will be good old reliable Dee !

 Now Dee, would you like the rest of us to point out any misspellings or typographical errors you may commit ?  Should that be our practice henceforth?
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2023, 02:20:46 AM »
  From Dee;
    "
Seems ironglow may have gotten you stirred in with guzzler.  This happens when folks don't fall in line with his teaching moments."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   If you look, you will see that correction is already made.  Sorry if we don't all live up to your standards of perfection..  Of course if anyone can be
   expected to "nit pick"..it will be good old reliable Dee !

 Now Dee, would you like the rest of us to point out any misspellings or typographical errors you may commit ?  Should that be our practice henceforth?

Anything to please you, But you edited it AFTER i pointed it out. Your sarcasm pointed at DG was because YOU ) got in too big of a hurry when you thought he  disagreed. OH MY! :-\
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2023, 02:32:54 AM »
Ecxample given.. (e.g.) 

   When you were posting in the "Pot bellied stove"  ....'Biden will continue to work with the Mexican president.', you made the following statement,

   "No, it wasn't posted in jest. It was posted was posted with the utmost sarcasm, and contempt I could muster."

    Question:  How many times do you feel obliged to claim something "was posted", and both in the same sentence?

    Now, do we really want to continue this type of nit picking?



















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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2023, 02:50:48 AM »
Ecxample given.. (e.g.) 

   When you were posting in the "Pot bellied stove"  ....'Biden will continue to work with the Mexican president.', you made the following statement,

   "No, it wasn't posted in jest. It was posted was posted with the utmost sarcasm, and contempt I could muster."

    Question:  How many times do you feel obliged to claim something "was posted", and both in the same sentence?

    Now, do we really want to continue this type of nit picking?



















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What are you talking about? You got darkgael confused with guzzler, and you attacked him. Thats what happened. I think you're gettin senile.
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2023, 02:56:53 AM »
  From Dee;
    "
Seems ironglow may have gotten you stirred in with guzzler.  This happens when folks don't fall in line with his teaching moments."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   If you look, you will see that correction is already made.  Sorry if we don't all live up to your standards of perfection..  Of course if anyone can be
   expected to "nit pick"..it will be good old reliable Dee !

 Now Dee, would you like the rest of us to point out any misspellings or typographical errors you may commit ?  Should that be our practice henceforth?

Anything to please you, But you edited it AFTER i pointed it out. Your sarcasm pointed at DG was because YOU ) got in too big of a hurry when you thought he  disagreed. OH MY! :-\
   
  I never said I didn't correct it post statement, but there was no need to point it out, since I wouild have corrected it as soon as I discovered it !
 
  I very often return to correct mistakes, not only because I regret making mistakes, but also because I understand there are "word vultures" just
     waiting to pounce upon any mistake or invalid spelling.

   BTW.. Sometime back you posted that you were "fixin" to drop DirecTV..   #1)"Fixing" Misspelled..but intentionally so, I presume.
 
   #2)  GBO is not only national, but also international in scope.  "Fixing" is regional colloquialism, and thus a mistake for such an audience.

      ..But really, do we want to pursue such juvenile bickering ?

       
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2023, 03:07:26 AM »
  From Dee;
    "
Seems ironglow may have gotten you stirred in with guzzler.  This happens when folks don't fall in line with his teaching moments."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   If you look, you will see that correction is already made.  Sorry if we don't all live up to your standards of perfection..  Of course if anyone can be
   expected to "nit pick"..it will be good old reliable Dee !

 Now Dee, would you like the rest of us to point out any misspellings or typographical errors you may commit ?  Should that be our practice henceforth?

Anything to please you, But you edited it AFTER i pointed it out. Your sarcasm pointed at DG was because YOU ) got in too big of a hurry when you thought he  disagreed. OH MY! :-\
   
  I never said I didn't correct it post statement, but there was no need to point it out, since I wouild have corrected it as soon as I discovered it !
 
  I very often return to correct mistakes, not only because I regret making mistakes, but also because I understand there are "word vultures" just
     waiting to pounce upon any mistake or invalid spelling.

   BTW.. Sometime back you posted that you were "fixin" to drop DirecTV..   #1)"Fixing" Misspelled..but intentionally so, I presume.
 
   #2)  GBO is not only national, but also international in scope.  "Fixing" is regional colloquialism, and thus a mistake for such an audience.

      ..But really, do we want to pursue such juvenile bickering ?

     

LOL, SEE? YOU'RE STILL  TRYING  TO  TEACH (AND BE RIGHT). BUT WHOSE BICKERING? CERTAINLY NOT ME. I POINTED SOMETHING OUT AND YOU'VE BEEN "BICKERING" EVER SINCE.  :)
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2023, 03:20:28 AM »
Falcon Heavy has 27 engines, and all Falcon Heavies have worked with no problems.  Of course, Falcon 9 with 9 engine cluster, was perfected first before they built Falcon Heavy.  33 engines is only 6 engines less.  All 33 worked on the second test, through the stage separation.  If the upper stage (Starship) had made it to orbit, it would still have been successful.  Something happened right after the boost back burn on the booster.  If a rocket gets off course, the FAA requires them to blow it up.  So something in the guidance messed up during the boost back.  Don't know what happened to the upper stage as it was only about 2 minutes to orbit.  It too could have gotten off course. 

The Russian N-1 failed because they didn't have computer controlled engines to gimble them.  On Russia's rocket, if one engine on one side went out, it shut off one on the opposite side to keep the thrust balanced.  They could not gimble.  This happened to shut down too many engines on all 3 of their tries and they never made it to stage separation.  So they had to blow them all up.  They gave up because we already made it to the moon by then.  All the center engines on the SpaceX's booster can gimble (13) for guidance.  Then they have the grid fins to use on the way back, as well as cold gas thrusters.  Musk even said it may take 5-6 launches to perfect this big beast.  Remember, all 33 burned and worked throughout the launch and through the hot stage separation.  That was a success.  After their tumble and boost back, they had to blow it up.  Like I said, upper stage, don't know what happened.   

Also remember these new rockets are built with stainless steel plate made in Alabama.  The engines are built using 3D printing mostly.  Musk said the total cost for one of these Rockets is $200 million and when the bugs are worked out, can deliver 150 tons to orbit, and will be fully reusable.  NASA's big new rocket, the SLS costs $4 billion each, delivers 94 tons to orbit, and can only be used one time.  They can only afford to launch one per year.  NASA has already contracted with SpaceX for one of these big rockets to land on the moon with 100 tons of supplies and a 4 man crew.  They have a vested interest in this rocket. 

Also, I like Trump, but Trump is wrong about SpaceX being subsidized, they won contracts with NASA.  Contracts against Boeing and Lockheed.  Trump is right about the electric cars though.  The Feds subsidize electric cars, but they do so with all electric car makers, not just Tesla.  Since Trump won in 2016, SpaceX has launched over 250 successful rockets to orbit, and landed over 200.  They are reusing most of their rockets now.  They launch about 75-80% of all the worlds satellites and tonnage to orbit.  They are the world's largest satellite operator with over 5,000 Starlink satellites in orbit.  SpaceX's president Gwen Shotwell runs the company on a day to day basis.  Musk helped develop the Raptor rocket engine that the new rocket uses.  It is the most efficient rocket engine ever built.  His other Merlin engine on the Falcon 9 is also the most efficient kerosene rocket engine ever built.  The Raptor burns methane, (liquid natural gas), so it won't soot up like the Falcon 9's engines. 
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2023, 07:26:12 AM »
IG:
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  If you look, you will see that correction is already made.…
Where is that? I missed it.

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2023, 07:57:09 AM »
IG:
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  If you look, you will see that correction is already made.…
Where is that? I missed it.

 Erasure is also a form of correction.
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2023, 08:02:24 AM »
From Dee...

   " LOL, SEE? YOU'RE STILL  TRYING  TO  TEACH (AND BE RIGHT). BUT WHOSE BICKERING? CERTAINLY NOT ME. I POINTED SOMETHING OUT AND YOU'VE BEEN "BICKERING" EVER SINCE.  :


   So the question remains, should we make a habit of "pointing out" small errors? Or shall we just treat one another courteously?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2023, 08:33:53 AM »
From Dee...

   " LOL, SEE? YOU'RE STILL  TRYING  TO  TEACH (AND BE RIGHT). BUT WHOSE BICKERING? CERTAINLY NOT ME. I POINTED SOMETHING OUT AND YOU'VE BEEN "BICKERING" EVER SINCE.  :


   So the question remains, should we make a habit of "pointing out" small errors? Or shall we just treat one another courteously?

LOL
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2023, 08:56:16 AM »
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  If you look, you will see that correction is already made.…
Where is that? I missed it.

 Erasure is also a form of correction.

But not a formal offer apology
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Re: SpaceX launches this morning
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2023, 08:58:57 AM »
The battle for supremacy in the virtual world! :)

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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2023, 09:28:07 AM »
The battle for supremacy in the virtual world! :)

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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2023, 02:12:40 AM »
IG:
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  If you look, you will see that correction is already made.…
Where is that? I missed it.

 Erasure is also a form of correction.

But not a formal offer apology

    ...JUST HAS TO KEEP NIT PICKING... apparently an involuntary reflex, by now..
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