The Euphrates drying up..

[ironglow]

  .
   At first note of the headline, I thought..."Have the greenies something to finally point at?"..But as I looked further, the answer was not near so
    dramatic.

   It seems the river has been under disputed water rights issues for many, many years.  The Euphrates runs through at least 3 nations, and each is
    today  taking far more than alotted. It sure looks like Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan has dreams of a revived Ottoman empire..

  One bright spot...an archaeologist's dream, very ancient cities already uncovered.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTN3vpjNv18

   THen of course, there is (Revelations 16:12)  "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water
      thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

   Just more "end times" stuff...

[locust]

  .
   At first note of the headline, I thought..."Have the greenies something to finally point at?"..But as I looked further, the answer was not near so
    dramatic.

   It seems the river has been under disputed water rights issues for many, many years.  The Euphrates runs through at least 3 nations, and each is
    today  taking far more than alotted. It sure looks like Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan has dreams of a revived Ottoman empire..

  One bright spot...an archaeologist's dream, very ancient cities already uncovered.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTN3vpjNv18

   THen of course, there is (Revelations 16:12)  "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water
      thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

   Just more "end times" stuff...

the fact that the Euphrates is running low has nothing to do with the book  revelation 

[Dixie-Dude]

The Euphrates has never dried up like this before.  Of course there are dams upstream that were never there before.  If it is dry massive armies of the east could cross.  India and China could supply these armies. 

Never in history have so many prophesies started fulfilling.  The Jews have returned to their homeland.  Euphrates drying up.  With TV, everyone in the world can see the AntiChrist.  People are calling evil good and good evil (trans and gay stuff, Palestinian protesters when they were the murderers), disrespect of parents, grandparents, and elders, straight people living together while gays get married, people stealing and shoplifting without remorse, lies and bribes politicians use, wars and rumors of wars.

Just follow the news or newspaper in one hand and follow the Bible in the other.  Time is getting shorter.  How bad is it going to get?

[locust]

Just follow the news or newspaper in one hand and follow the Bible in the other.  Time is getting shorter.  How bad is it going to get?

as for religion, its going to go extinct .                                                 
support to it will dry up .expect  the religious holidays to be gone.

[ironglow]

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  " And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east
    might be prepared."  (Rev 16:12)

[locust]

lets go to rev1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
what does " signified"? mean to you?

[ironglow]

lets go to rev1:1  and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
what does " signified"? mean to you?

   OK , let's break it down;

   "  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; "  explains itself..

  God passed on information to John, showing the things he would do as signs that the last days are approaching.

     In the case of (Rev 16:12), one of these signs that believers should look for, is the Euphrates drying up!  THe Euphrates has been a flowing river
     and a pass for travel and commerce....for as long as the world has existed !(Gen 2: 10-14)

   So just as Rev 1:1 says..the Euphrates drying up...is just as Rev 16 says...a sign for believers!  Thanks for the confirmation..
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  Oxford online dictionary says;

  signified, in signify, v.
transitive. Of an object, event, etc.: to be a sign or symbol of, to symbolize; to represent, denote, mean.

[locust]

 

   So just as Rev 1:1 says..the Euphrates drying up...is just as Rev 16 says...a sign for believers!  Thanks for the confirmation..
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  Oxford online dictionary says;

  signified, in signify, v.
transitive. Of an object, event, etc.: to be a sign or symbol of, to symbolize; to represent, denote, mean.

ah , however, the river drying up is not an act of God. its an act of man using so much of the water.  what could the sign of the Euphrates drying up mean,as it was once a  defense  and nourishment of Babylon .  who then is Babylon the great ? and why is she concerned that the river dry's up ?? its because the people that nourish Babalon (the Great) are symbolically the river Euphrates.
people are having less and less involvement in religion, it's drying up.
it means Babalon(religion) has less and less authority in governmental affairs. even as government gets stronger religion gets weaker.

[ironglow]

   From Locust;
      " ah , however, the river drying up is not an act of God. its an act of man using so much of the water.  what could the sign of the Euphrates drying up mean,as it was once a  defense  and nourishment of Babylon .  who then is Babylon the great ? and why is she concerned that the river dry's up ?? its because the people that nourish Babalon (the Great) are symbolically the river Euphrates.
people are having less and less involvement in religion, it's drying up.
it means Babalon(religion) has less and less authority in governmental affairs. even as government gets stronger religion gets weaker."

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   It seems you would prefer opting for "symbolism", rather than accept what is actually written.  Yes, it appears the Euphrates is drying up;
  so is it because God has willed it so...or is it becuse some symbolic people (Babylon is vacant now)...depend upon the Euphrates for symbolic
   water ?

   You claim that the river cannot be God's doing, since it is men breaking pledges, and using up the water .  You must know that God most often uses men to do His tasks here on earth.

  He used Moses to bring the Hebrews out od Egypt, He use Davud to slay goliath...just as He used David's son Solomon,  to build the first temple.

  He used the Babylonians and the Syrians to fulfil His decision to place them in bondage...and he used King Cyrus to send them back from bondage.

   He used the apostles to deliver the good news..and a woman,  Mary to bring the news of Jesus' resurrection to the upper room.


  Hundreds of examples, so no surprise if perchance this is what God is doing with the Euphrates..
.

[Dee]

   From Locust;
      " ah , however, the river drying up is not an act of God. its an act of man using so much of the water.  what could the sign of the Euphrates drying up mean,as it was once a  defense  and nourishment of Babylon .  who then is Babylon the great ? and why is she concerned that the river dry's up ?? its because the people that nourish Babalon (the Great) are symbolically the river Euphrates.
people are having less and less involvement in religion, it's drying up.
it means Babalon(religion) has less and less authority in governmental affairs. even as government gets stronger religion gets weaker."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   It seems you would prefer opting for "symbolism", rather than accept what is actually written.  Yes, it appears the Euphrates is drying up;
  so is it because God has willed it so...or is it becuse some symbolic people (Babylon is vacant now)...depend upon the Euphrates for symbolic
   water ?

   You claim that the river cannot be God's doing, since it is men breaking pledges, and using up the water .  You must know that God most often uses men to do His tasks here on earth.

  He used Moses to bring the Hebrews out od Egypt, He use Davud to slay goliath...just as He used David's son Solomon,  to build the first temple.

  He used the Babylonians and the Syrians to fulfil His decision to place them in bondage...and he used King Cyrus to send them back from bondage.

   He used the apostles to deliver the good news..and a woman,  Mary to bring the news of Jesus' resurrection to the upper room.


  Hundreds of examples, so no surprise if perchance this is what God is doing with the Euphrates..
.

Agreed

[Graybeard]

Realistically speaking, why should any of us care if a river over there dries up?

[ironglow]

Realistically speaking, why should any of us care if a river over there dries up?

  Perhaps only insofar as it affects the rest of the world..

[Dee]

Realistically speaking, why should any of us care if a river over there dries up?

If you're an alarmist its something to speculate about.

[locust]

   From Locust;
      " ah , however, the river drying up is not an act of God. its an act of man using so much of the water.  what could the sign of the Euphrates drying up mean,as it was once a  defense  and nourishment of Babylon .  who then is Babylon the great ? and why is she concerned that the river dry's up ?? its because the people that nourish Babalon (the Great) are symbolically the river Euphrates.
people are having less and less involvement in religion, it's drying up.
it means Babalon(religion) has less and less authority in governmental affairs. even as government gets stronger religion gets weaker."

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   It seems you would prefer opting for "symbolism", rather than accept what is actually written.  Yes, it appears the Euphrates is drying up;
  so is it because God has willed it so...or is it becuse some symbolic people (Babylon is vacant now)...depend upon the Euphrates for symbolic
   water ?

   You claim that the river cannot be God's doing, since it is men breaking pledges, and using up the water .  You must know that God most often uses men to do His tasks here on earth.

  He used Moses to bring the Hebrews out od Egypt, He use Davud to slay goliath...just as He used David's son Solomon,  to build the first temple.

  He used the Babylonians and the Syrians to fulfil His decision to place them in bondage...and he used King Cyrus to send them back from bondage.

   He used the apostles to deliver the good news..and a woman,  Mary to bring the news of Jesus' resurrection to the upper room.


  Hundreds of examples, so no surprise if perchance this is what God is doing  with the Euphrates..
.

yes it is  "symbolism" .seams it says that  in the first chapter of the book rev, very little is not symbolized 

[Lloyd Smale]

its just more leftist global warming propaganda like trumpwons post on the Panama canal. funny thing is i live on the shore of lake superior. one of if not the biggest fresh water sorce in the world. over the years the shore line goes out or comes in a foot or two most years. neighbor and i were just talking a couple months ago about the fact it hasnt changed but maybe a couple inches in 3 years. if it had the global nut cases would say warming caused it to receed or the ice caps caused a rise in levels when in fact its been going on hundreds of yesrs before man even used whale oil

[TrumpWon]

Lake Superior is 600’ above sea level. It will be a while before it is affected by climate change induced sea level rise.

[Lloyd Smale]

there you go so i dont much give a crap. id think if it was really global warming the great lakes would be evaporating and there as high as they been in my lifetime. crap therey're probably as high as you

Lake Superior is 600’ above sea level. It will be a while before it is affected by climate change induced sea level rise.

[TrumpWon]

Climate change will have little effect. The real control on water levels is the elevation of the St. Mary's Rapids; these rapids form the main control on minimum and maximum lake levels. Factors such as snow melt, precipitation and seasonal temperature drive the annual rise and fall of the lake.

[Lloyd Smale]

there are thousands of rivers and streams feeding the great lakes. combined they dwarf the water coming through the st marys rapids. there have been low level years caused by a few years of low snow levels.

https://www.britannica.com/question/Where-does-water-in-the-Great-Lakes-originate

but you alarmist claim when the lake is low its because of global warming. because of lack of snow and evaporation. Then  when its high global warming is melting ice burgs and the oceans to evaporate causing more rain snow and storms. God controls nature and without him giving us global warming the great lakes wouldnt exist. funny isnt it that the biggest global warming event in recorded history happened before there was man make pollution. wonder if those early men had idiots like you telling everyone theyd better bury their crap and not eat meat because we are creating global warming combined the dwarf the water comming through the st marys straights.

heres a good example in very rent times
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-sends-great-lakes-water-levels-seesawing/

in 2013 water levels were very low and i still remember all you idiots saying it was global warming and if things didnt change lake erie would be dried up in 20 years. today there at near record levels and you same idiots are blaming that on global warming. nothing has changed in that time so which is it??? does it make them higher or lower?? you cant have it both ways unless your telling lies.

 i have a picture of my grandpa who lived on the shore of the st marrys river right at the mouth of lake huron all his life. the picture of him is him sitting on a big rock at least 30 yards out from the shoreline today. he was 51 so that would have been 1951. right now theres about 5 yards of beach then about a 100 feet of yard. my mother has a picture from the 40s when the water was half way up the yard. she was a little girl then but remembered it because they had the first flush toilet in town and the septic flooded and grandpa had to dig a new outhouse in the front yard. amazing what radical things global warming did even back then that ignorant man blamed on God

funny too that the biggest storm to hit the great lakes in recorded history was in 1913. pray tell how global warming caused that? funny how some of the biggest storms on the lakes happened when most towns didnt even have electricty and if they did only the wealthy could afford it and most town still had hitching pole outside of stores. must be hell to not believe in the power of God and have to search every day for answers and even convince yourslf that bald faced lies are the answers. temps go up, temps go down. water levels across the world go up and they go down. people are born and people die. common denominator? GOD hes the real answer your searching for.

[ironglow]

   Question;
   How many times must a movement, group or person be caught LYING, before we should pass them of as incorrigible LIARS?

   (17 minute video)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1e5HAZo4iw&t=394s

  All those ocean front multi million dollar homes owned by Chicken Little celebrity fakers, speak far more truth, than all their speeches..

[TrumpWon]

Floyd,
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I was aware of sea level rise due to melting glaciers and polar ice caused by climate change. Hadn't really considered how climate change is affecting the Great Lakes until you posted the Scientific American article. One of the tenets of climate change is that extremes will occur. As opposed to melting polar ice the great fluctuations of levels in the lakes is due to extremes in rainfall and drought.
Thanks again for the insight. I can almost picture you hopping in your EV to drive into the forest and hug a tree

[Lloyd Smale]

not climate change because like i said this has been going on in the great lakes since the ice melted. its called weasther and ill be the one you see smoking my tires in my 392 challenger or running through the woods crushing your precious trees. when im done ill roll ouy the ram and go have a nice steak cooked in the resteraunt with gas. you know, all the stuff we all do including you but the rest of us own it and you tell your waco left wing lies

[ironglow]

  OUr sacrificing our economy, trade and personal preferences to support the "climate change" myth , is a tortal exercize in futility.

   If the biggest polluters just laugh at us and go on...we may as well be "pissing into the wind"..for all the good our sacrifices are doing..

  Until China, India and Russia are showing even minimium concern for the green Myth...we are sacrificing oiur econmomy and industries,
   while they grow their fortunes,  so one day to kill us..

  We are already below the line...in negative territory, why don't Joe Biden, Al Gore and John Kerry start puiting pressure upon China ?

   I think we all know why... $$$

[Lloyd Smale]

sorry ironglow but to believe that is buying into the global warming bs being caused by man when it is just a natural evelution of our planet thats been going on since before the dinosours. hell when all there was were single celled life

[Bob Riebe]

For what it is worth:
Lake Superior

Datum    601.1   feet
Highest   603.34 feet 1985
Lowes    599.62 feet  1926

[TrumpWon]

Never in the last million years have average global temperatures risen as rapidly as they are now. That the temperature rise coincides with the rise in atmospheric  CO2 should be a hint.
It ain’t natural evolution.

[Dee]

Never in the last million years have average global temperatures risen as rapidly as they are now. That the temperature rise coincides with the rise in atmospheric  CO2 should be a hint.
It ain’t natural evolution.

LMAO! The good little democrat is a climatologist and is reminiscent of what happened in the last million years of his short little democratic life.

[Bob Riebe]

Never in the last million years have average global temperatures risen as rapidly as they are now. That the temperature rise coincides with the rise in atmospheric  CO2 should be a hint.
It ain’t natural evolution.

NO proof.
Proof --  not concesus that makes scientists feel good.

[Mule 11]

What a maroon

[TrumpWon]

Good news! It’s not necessarily due to ignorance

https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-say-they-ve-figured-out-why-people-reject-science-and-it-s-not-ignorance