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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2023, 04:48:38 PM »
 
   Sometimes folks get their personalities..or personalities they wished to display, all tangled up with reality..(unrelated to this post).

  Many years ago, I recall pulling up beside a car at a traffic light, and there was a shiny decal, declaring that the car was a 5.2 liter,
   or some such announcement..

   Then I thought..."how silly we are..   Do IO really care if his car has a 5.2 liter engine?  ..Not really !  While I'm sure the driver of that car cares,
   but how about those around him?

      Noting many of the labels on the exterior of vehicles....in ordinary circumstances, should I truly care if their
    car has a turbo, a dome engine or is a 4X4......Or if they had a decal of a bad boy in their pickup window peeing on the name of a competitor
   brand..

   I see vans with decals in their rear windows that announce .. "baby on board"... or "show dogs on board"...

  It is about then that I mumble to myself..  "I am so pleased they told me they have show dogs or a baby on board.. I was planning on ramming
  that Van..but now that I know they are carrying  a baby or show dogs in there..guess I have to change my mind"..  :D ;D
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2023, 11:30:41 PM »
kind of like constantly trying to out bible everyone or tell us for the thousands time your a deacon. makes you vain not a better Christian.  8) im sure youll get the last word in. you would explode if you didnt ::)
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2023, 12:51:01 AM »
kind of like constantly trying to out bible everyone or tell us for the thousands time your a deacon. makes you vain not a better Christian.  8) im sure youll get the last word in. you would explode if you didnt ::)

Now that I agree with.  ;)
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2023, 12:34:45 PM »
kind of like constantly trying to out bible everyone or tell us for the thousands time your a deacon. makes you vain not a better Christian.  8) im sure youll get the last word in. you would explode if you didnt ::)

  How about sticking to the subject, rather than trying by any means possible, to ruffle feathers ?  If you wish to debate scriptures, take it to the
   religion forum..and I'll meet you there..

     But until then, check this out::

 
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2023, 12:57:00 PM »
I much prefered when one could basically buy a vehicle in white and have put on what ever he wanted.

Or at least when they had DELETE as an option.

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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2023, 10:34:46 PM »

 

 
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talk about the pot calling the kettle black you bring religion into the other sections more than everyone else here combined!!
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2023, 11:21:11 PM »
i agree bob but by putting air or power windows or power steering in every car and truck it supposedly means making it cheaper. when i look at these high tech cars and trucks we buy today its hard to argue. i remember in 79 buying the first truck i actually ordered and the back bumper was an option. i look at my 2020 ram. its a big horn so a mid package level and compare it to the 79 that had everything on the menu. what did that mean? carpeting power windows locks and an fm radio. it came with a wheezy 350 that put out like 190 hp and on a good day got 12mpg. Then i look at a ram silverado or f150 that i can buy with 5 times more options then that top line Cheyenne in 79 and has 400 hp and gets 17mpg (more like 20 for a chey or ford) and if you factor in cost of living and inflation im buying 10 times the truck for the same money. Maybe they were on to something. Trucks that sell best are midline opted vehicles like my bighorn. So they take what options most buyers want and make them standard or maybe have two package levels so the trucks coming off the line are all about the same except color. think model t assembly line except with color choice. that is the sweet spot for getting your best value. dont want something? you can get a basic truck but that truck doesnt cost that much less to make so your not going to save a ton. want more luxury like a Laramie or a high country chev? your buying options that not many want and your going to pay for it.

but in something like a bighorn you get a big upgrade for 4 or 5k. that equates to 500 bucks in 79 and it cost me 2k then to option out a 5k truck to 7k and i didnt get crap for that money compared to today. pretty much what comes standard today. I look at my bighorn. only thing on it i could live without is the info screen. an fm radio would be all i need. thought heated seats and steering wheel was silly but after the first winter i wouldnt buy a truck without it. power windows no brainer if you ever tried opening a passenger window driving down the  road. do i need a fancier one? nope but i dont want some stripper either. its not only my truck but its my wifes daily driver. she would take a baseball bat to me if i ordered a truck without a heated seat or an info center she can chronically tap on :o but bottom line is the best bang for the buck trucks ever built are built today. just the money you save by getting 2-300k out of one compared to a 100k in the 70s and the money you save over that 200k getting near twice the fuel economy. GOOD OLD DAYS??? would you buy a truck today even for 30k that got 12mpg and would be shot with only 100k on it? even if it made it that long youd probably be seeing light through the rusty floor boards
I much prefered when one could basically buy a vehicle in white and have put on what ever he wanted.

Or at least when they had DELETE as an option.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2023, 03:41:05 AM »
this is an outdoors forum. if i wanted to talk about the bible id go to a forum dedicated to it that actually had people who were there to learn. i sure wouldnt go to a bible forum and talk about guns or the outdoors. i doubt i could find one with a gun or pickup truck section. so why would i come here to talk bible, or in your case argue bible because your always right. if anyone doubts it just ask and youll straighten them out.  here it just causes hard feelings and is just an ego fest. probably causes more friction here then our resident socialists do and every thread that has that bible friction in it on here has one common fact. you are in it.

 I dont care what you drive but its sure as crap not for me. want to argue trucks or cars? ill bury you. bob is one of the only ones here that might know more. Want to talk guns loading casting ect come try to out knowledge me. want to talk hunting fishing ect same thing. This is SUPPOSE to be an outdoors forum. Yes there is alot of political lately and i have no problem with that because for the most part we all believe the same and the only hard feelings are against the few idiot liberals here. but religion? it has caused more friends to become enemies, more fighting and more people banned then all the other sections combined. WHY? because what goes on in that section sure as crap isnt Christian.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2023, 09:56:59 AM »
when i was that age i loved the girls and fast cars heck fast anything. still like them today. i dont understand why someone would quit on something they liked because there older. now different strokes for different folks. my best friend has always been a horse nut but liked fast things too. i personally wouldnt give you 50 bucks for a stinky horse. just never saw the excitement in them. im no urban cowboy. Love my dogs but just dont understand getting emotional about something you keep out in the barn and for most not even on their own property. even ranchers today use more atvs for work than horses. probably the only money pit deaper than a boat
yup and you buried more that wasted their life in boredom or died with some money in the bank or gold hidden away that could have used it to have fun be it toys guns travel going on hunts, horses ect. nope i cant take them with me but i can squeeze all the fun into this short life. i aint never been one to sit on the porch twittling my thumbs. im out of this one now. got to go load some blackouts in my nice big STOCKED reloading room. im being frugal today though. cast 130 spitzers and surplus wc820.

Well Lloyd,  you don't know if they were bored, or wasted their life. You didn't know them. And it depends on one's definition of what fun is.

I gave up hotrods in my  teens for horses, and girls (not necessarily in that order). I personally wouldn't give a hot, high performance car a first, or second look. I consider them a waste of time, and money, and a nuisance on the highway.
I have all the guns I want, and fancy loaded out pickups are also (to me) a waste of money, but I've got a BIL that has 4 such trucks. None of the 4 will do anything mine won't do.

Many years ago it dawned on me that generally, I spend less than an hour a week in my truck. The rest of the time it sits in the garage. Toys to me are generally what controls most folks lives. The time a money dedicated to their upkeep is not for me.
Like i said before. I do what I want, when I want, and I don't want for anything.  :)

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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2023, 10:21:36 AM »
even ranchers today use more atvs for work than horses. probably the only money pit deaper than a boat

Actually they don't.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2023, 11:17:41 PM »
well i look at the typical owner. most have to board their horses or build a structure to keep them in. then they have to be fueled every day even if you havent used one in a month. so cost per mile of use is for most way over anything with a motor. then you either have an hour of every day to tend to them or you have to pay someone else. want to go out of town for a couple weeks you cant stick them in the garage and close the door. then theres the cost of saddles ect. shoeing, vet bills. all to take an hour ride once a month. or you can buy a honda. throw gas in it ride the crap out of it. change oil once a year and when your done park it 15 feet from the front door and it sits happy till you hit the start button again. i still have and old yamaha 3 wheeler i bought new in 82 for 900 bucks. dont have a clue how many miles are on it but LOTS. about the only thing i do to it other then change oil is replace seat covers and seats because it sits outside all day every day and a few sets of tires over the years. it will sit all winter in a snow drift and start first or second pull every spring. how many 40 year old horses are there and how much more would it cost to own one for even 10 years compared to that old 3 wheeler for 40? i love dogs so i can understand the love for an animal. but practical? if that was true youd still see as many tied up to hitching posts
in town as you see parked cars. as to ranchers i dont have a clue about texas but the 3 ranches we hunted in montana and Wyoming all used 4 wheelers as their main work units. they had horses too but they were mostly used for a sunday ride. about the only ranch use was roundups or driving the cows because the bikes scared the cows and horses didnt.
even ranchers today use more atvs for work than horses. probably the only money pit deaper than a boat

Actually they don't.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2023, 11:33:49 PM »
well i look at the typical owner. most have to board their horses or build a structure to keep them in. then they have to be fueled every day even if you havent used one in a month. so cost per mile of use is for most way over anything with a motor. then you either have an hour of every day to tend to them or you have to pay someone else. want to go out of town for a couple weeks you cant stick them in the garage and close the door. then theres the cost of saddles ect. shoeing, vet bills. all to take an hour ride once a month. or you can buy a honda. throw gas in it ride the crap out of it. change oil once a year and when your done park it 15 feet from the front door and it sits happy till you hit the start button again. i still have and old yamaha 3 wheeler i bought new in 82 for 900 bucks. dont have a clue how many miles are on it but LOTS. about the only thing i do to it other then change oil is replace seat covers and seats because it sits outside all day every day and a few sets of tires over the years. it will sit all winter in a snow drift and start first or second pull every spring. how many 40 year old horses are there and how much more would it cost to own one for even 10 years compared to that old 3 wheeler for 40? i love dogs so i can understand the love for an animal. but practical? if that was true youd still see as many tied up to hitching posts
in town as you see parked cars. as to ranchers i dont have a clue about texas but the 3 ranches we hunted in montana and Wyoming all used 4 wheelers as their main work units. they had horses too but they were mostly used for a sunday ride. about the only ranch use was roundups or driving the cows because the bikes scared the cows and horses didnt.
even ranchers today use more atvs for work than horses. probably the only money pit deaper than a boat

Actually they don't.

LOL, first of all, you  don't know a typical owner of a ranch. I just had my boss pick up a 4 wheeler he thought I could use. It sat in the horse barn till the tires went flat.
Here's some reality you never thought of. Cattle go where they please. Up dry washes, up over the cap rock, down into creeks, through brush, under trees, around trees, between boulders, ect. The list of places a motorcycle, or 4 wheeler can't go, is endless.
Where a bovine can go, a horse can go. Even in auction barns horses are still used. Try roping a 1,200 lb cow that won't pen in rough country off a Honda. That would be hours of entertainment.

To get the concept, get on YouTube, and watch a few minutes of cutting horse competition and understand that this type of activity happens everyday in ranch work, but it's for real not an organized competition. Its called sorting cattle.

The ranching area I work, a honda would be totally useless, except possibly for building fence.

This picture is one i took last year at a roundup. They're sorting calves out of momma cows. See anywhere in there where a Honda would work?
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2023, 12:10:45 AM »
Lloyd this is me having just cut off several head of cattle that quit the 300+ herd we were moving. Note the country. Its rough. A cow can run about 25mph, and will duck, and dodge while running to get away. That horse can run about 50mph+ and he knows what his job is. Imagine trying to run that fast in that kinda country on a Honda and still herd cattle in the right direction when they're doing everything they can to get away.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2023, 01:13:09 AM »
  Dee;
  ..And doesn't cactus etc., come into play here?  It seems to me, cactus spines would be a constant problem..spikes being harbored in the tires,
   with a new one poking through every couple weeks.

  At least as I recall, that seems to be a regular problem..
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2023, 01:30:11 AM »
Slime in tires takes care of the cactus. Its the rough country, and lack of maneuverability that kills the idea of motorized cow ranglin
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2023, 02:21:05 AM »
Slime in tires takes care of the cactus. Its the rough country, and lack of maneuverability that kills the idea of motorized cow ranglin

  Sometimes, the "old fashioned", time tested, and natural way..... still works best..
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« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2023, 04:52:18 AM »
  And yet, cattle ranches on YouTube like Rodeo Reed or Sonne Farms and many others, work their cattle with ATV's, (Reed sometimes uses a horse) even where I live, I don't see anyone using horses to work cattle, maybe it's just different in Texas.

  Those that use horses "mostly" use them for "old times sake"  And, YES, some places still need them, but not the majority.

  When I was a kid, I wanted a horse and I remember asking dad if we could get a horse.  Dad grew up with horses and he had NO use for a horse, so EVERY time I asked, he'd say the same thing: All horses do is make horse-chit!  They eat twice as much as a cow, and I can't milk it!!

  Around here "these days" all I see horses doing, is taking up space!

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« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2023, 05:29:14 AM »
dee i can see where there needed on a ranch for some jobs. ill give you that. but the 3 ranches i hunted on were BIG operations and they used atvs more than horses. now they did have a pile of horses too. but did you have one of your own before or since you started working on a ranch. my saying that they are money pits was aimed at those who have them for pets or toys. I was comparing it to me having a fast car. the latest one i bought 3 years ago and all i have to do is change oil and drive it when i want and since ive owned it ive actually made over 5k because prices of them went up and that 5k is being conservative. it also gets 5mpg better gas mileage then the rest of my vehicles but that doesnt mean crap to me. it doent need any attention and it wont die in ten years and if ive got a dog so sure as hell dont want one for a pet. im sure not going to get a horse. pay to board it and see it for an hour out of the week.

 now if you want money pit crying i can tell you about my last boat. i understand every one isnt into go fast stuff like me. heck my dad drove a (censored word) suburu for his last 8 years. but i couldnt of dreamt of a life without snowmobile and motocross racing, nice trucks, fast cars, fast atvs and harleys. they all are exactly what gave me joy all these years and if my body wasnt shot id still be racing snowmobiles and dirt bikes. everyones body gets old but to me its sad when your mind gets old. mine is still 25 years old!! if i can only ride my dirt bike snowmobile or harley once a year they will be in the barn till i die. 
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« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2023, 05:47:17 AM »
this horse vs atv thing reminds me of high school. i had a biology teacher that ran dog sleds. he claimed he could get 28 miles to the next town faster than me on my snowmobile. i had to stay on the trails which was 5 miles longer then his dog trail. 20 buck bet and you had to go in front of the school during the basketball assembly and tell everyone you lost.  took me 43 minutes (back then there were no trail groomers) he showed up 22 minutes later. you have to fix fense or patrol the ranch are you going to pay someone for a day to do it with a motor or two to do it on a horse. ranches i went to were in business to make money and could care less if they didnt look like john wayne.
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2023, 10:20:19 AM »
   Likely a difference  etween Montana and Dakota ranches, as opposed to Texas, New Mexico or Arizona ranches.

  Rocks, cactus and narrow ravines, not the same as open range land..  "One size doesn't fit all."
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« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2023, 11:12:17 AM »
I've found that a lot of folks that don't live and work where I live and work know more about what I need and don't need than I do.   8)
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« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2023, 12:36:31 PM »
   Likely a difference  etween Montana and Dakota ranches, as opposed to Texas, New Mexico or Arizona ranches.

  Rocks, cactus and narrow ravines, not the same as open range land..  "One size doesn't fit all."
  Could be, but the Reed ranch is thousands of acres in Arizona.

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« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2023, 04:59:55 PM »
   Likely a difference  etween Montana and Dakota ranches, as opposed to Texas, New Mexico or Arizona ranches.

  Rocks, cactus and narrow ravines, not the same as open range land..  "One size doesn't fit all."
  Could be, but the Reed ranch is thousands of acres in Arizona.

  DM
    ..Don't know the Reed ranch of coursef course, but states can vary by regions also can vary greatly across the breadth of the state.

   I have little doubt that an ATV would be effective in north east Texas, with it's more or less grasslands mixed with piney woods.

   But several hundred miles away in west Texas, things are much different... then in another direction for several hundred miles , is Big Bend
   country.... and another situation..

     Only guessing...
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« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2023, 02:50:01 AM »
well i dont know crap about texas ranches. never been on one. but my comment that for 80 percent of horse owners in this country their a money pit. they buy a horse by saddles ect. most wanabees have to have a 200 dollar pair of boots and a cowboy hat ::) then they pay someone else 500 dollars a month to board it 30 miles from their house and might ride for an hour or two a month and many can only ride on the peoples land that board the horse or have to spend another (im guessing) 5k for a trailer. unlike a car that if you only drive it once a month a horse wears out and dies if you ride it or not. i honestly dont care if you ride on a horse or an atv but ill bet my house that ridden the same amount of miles an atv will outlast 2 horses. that old yamaha 3 wheeler ive had  since new in 82 has 11500 miles on it and it still  runs perfectly. isnt pretty to look at but id ride it anywhere. ive got a yamaha grizzly too that has 8k on it and looks about new. by the way you can buy 8 ply atv tires that are as tough as any truck tire. probably tougher because nobody drives a truck like they do a polaris turbo razor. they make it wide open for 500 mile racing the baja desert. i tink theyd hold up to putting around a ranch.  by the way those ranches i hunted used snowmobiles in the winter too. theyll go place in the winter that theres no way your going  on a horse and do it in the 1/10 of the time a horse would take even if snow conditions and terrain allowed for it. like i said these cowboys did what cowboys did from the beginning. made money! they didnt care if they looked like a cowboy
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2023, 02:56:57 AM »
well i dont know crap about texas ranches. never been on one. but my comment that for 80 percent of horse owners in this country their a money pit.

As are cars, trucks, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, and snowmobiles, that are not really needed, and cost thousands of dollars, and languish in garages, storage buildings, and yards, for months on end without being driven, ridden, or even necessary.
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« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2023, 03:46:23 AM »
sure they are. but for the most part they dont cost money after you pay for them when they are sitting. like i said my challenger has gained value and i bought my 2015 wrangler in 17 with 23000 miles on it for 25k. 6 years later with 70k on it i wouldnt sell it for any less than 25k. i remember and you do too when it was the same with harleys. now i can go the other way and with dammed near a tear in my eye tell you about the boston whaler i bought in 2011 for 72k and probably put another 10k into it in electronics and probably another 10k in maintenance and 1k a year to store it inside that i sold last year with only 400 hours on the two motors for 30k!! my wife had to grab me by the shirt tail and pull me away when th ahole dealer that sold it to me offered me 22k. crap one new motor would cost you that!! still makes me sick to my stomach. it would be like buying a new 4x4 driving it 10k and lighting it on fire
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« Reply #86 on: December 09, 2023, 04:15:37 AM »
well i dont know crap about texas ranches. never been on one. but my comment that for 80 percent of horse owners in this country their a money pit.

As are cars, trucks, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, and snowmobiles, that are not really needed, and cost thousands of dollars, and languish in garages, storage buildings, and yards, for months on end without being driven, ridden, or even necessary.
  I have a 1992 pu here, if I sold it, I could probably get 6K for it today, what could I get today for a horse that I bought in 1992?

  I understand where you are coming from though, you love horses, I don't hate horses, but I wouldn't take one for free.

  DM

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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #87 on: December 09, 2023, 06:57:28 AM »
couldnt give me one of then either. heck this will be the last dog i have. just tie you down to much.
well i dont know crap about texas ranches. never been on one. but my comment that for 80 percent of horse owners in this country their a money pit.

As are cars, trucks, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, and snowmobiles, that are not really needed, and cost thousands of dollars, and languish in garages, storage buildings, and yards, for months on end without being driven, ridden, or even necessary.
  I have a 1992 pu here, if I sold it, I could probably get 6K for it today, what could I get today for a horse that I bought in 1992?

  I understand where you are coming from though, you love horses, I don't hate horses, but I wouldn't take one for free.

  DM
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #88 on: December 09, 2023, 07:12:29 AM »
well i dont know crap about texas ranches. never been on one. but my comment that for 80 percent of horse owners in this country their a money pit.

As are cars, trucks, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, and snowmobiles, that are not really needed, and cost thousands of dollars, and languish in garages, storage buildings, and yards, for months on end without being driven, ridden, or even necessary.
  I have a 1992 pu here, if I sold it, I could probably get 6K for it today, what could I get today for a horse that I bought in 1992?

  I understand where you are coming from though, you love horses, I don't hate horses, but I wouldn't take one for free.

  DM

I actually have no recollection of saying I love horses. Not to argue, but you have no idea what you're talking about concerning atvs and ranches. YouTube doesn't cover all ranches. Where I ranch an atv is fairly useless. The terrain is simply too rough, and here, cattle can go where an atv could never go.. What works at one ranch doesn't necessarily work on others. That opinion comes  from actual  experience, not a YouTube video.

What your implying is like saying: I've flown the simulator for an F14 Tomcat, so I can now fly an F14.

As for your pickup, we use those to. :)
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Re: Looks like Toyota wants to build "my kind of pickup"
« Reply #89 on: December 09, 2023, 07:58:07 AM »
ok your a professional cowboy. the apprenticeship must be real short on that profession. sure didnt take long to be an expert. we are fortunate to have a bible expert and now a ranching expert on here. now all we need is someone who swept the floors at nasa to tell us what its like to be an astronaut and someone with a john boat that can tell us what it takes to be a captain on an aircraft carrier. now if you want to tell us what its like to be a cop ill respect the fact you did it for over 20 years.
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