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« on: March 25, 2004, 08:34:14 AM »
Thought that some here might find this interesting.

http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/end_of_europe.htm

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 01:47:17 PM »
its just wishful thinking,like the predicted failure of the Euro.The European superpower is on its way, and the sooner the better.The only problem is that fifth columist state England.European engineers got to find a way of towing that across the atlantic to where it belongs.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2004, 02:54:27 PM »
The US will be facing a financial crisis in a few years because of Social Security and Medicare, but much of Europe is at that point right now.  Elected leaders can't stop the run-away train lest they lose their job and get nothing done anyway.  Unions and civil services won't give an inch (a centimeter?), and in fact, demand ever more!  I agree that it will have to crash before it gets fixed.  I disagree that Islam will fill the void.  The Moslems go to Europe to find jobs because Islamic countries don't seem to know how to create jobs.

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2004, 02:26:35 PM »
Crossbow...
    How prescient was I?  Under my string, "Ghosts of the Spanish Conquistadors" I made note of many of the factors that the article posted by Verbero pointed out....and I had not seen that article before Verbero posted it!
   Europe indeed is in a precarious position. Much of the population is practicing stringent birth control including abortion, while the Islamic sector is quite fecund, thus they are growing , while the general population is shrinking and aging.
  Don't take my word for it; be circumspect...look about you!

  One thing that surprises me however, is how you seem to dislike your own homeland. England , and the rest of the UK rates very highly among the family of nations. She has great history, many areas of great natural beauty and seems to be very solicitous of her citizens...
   Why do you dislike your Mother country so much?

   You seem to praise much  of Europe. Many European countries are far down the road toward Socialism....which any THINKING person knows is a downhill run!

    I sure wish you would take another look at your homeland from a more positive vantage point. Remember the old "glass half-empty or half-full syndrome....you will probably feel much better for it.
  For me; living 24/7 in a country I disliked so much, would distort my thinking, fray my nerves and incite deterioration of my health.
   Learn to love your country....it's better for your health!


BTW: Latest news coming out of Spain....Spanish troops feel used and abused by their politicians. They are angry with their new president for pulling them out. They are being shunned and ignored at home. They believe that their less tha corageous leader caused them to look as sheepish as him.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2004, 12:22:58 AM »
Europe Wants to Rival US as Military Superpower, Says EU Parliamentarian
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
January 02, 2004

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - European Union support for the Palestinian Authority against Israel is part of Europe's "hidden war" against the United States to become a world superpower, a European parliamentarian said in Jerusalem this week.

Washington has often backed Israel's position against the Palestinians, particularly in its war on terrorism over the last three years. The United State is also perceived by the Arab world to be pro-Israel.

President Bush has consistently refused to meet with PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, while Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has been a guest at the White House many times.

The EU has argued that it is a neutral observer. But Israel has rejected direct EU participation in the peace process fearing that what it considers the EU's pro-Palestinian bias would tip the scales in favor of the Palestinians.

The EU has backed the Palestinian Authority since the beginning of the Oslo process in 1992, becoming one of its main financial supporters and giving the PA hundreds of millions of euros (dollars) since then.

EU parliamentarian Ilka Schroeder charged that EU backing for the PA goes beyond support for the Palestinian cause and is actually part of a secret agenda to gain power in the world.

"For me it is obvious that the Middle East has become one of the most important fields of European military superpower ambitions," Schroeder said.

"The primary goal of the EU is the internationalization of the [Israeli-Palestinian] conflict in order to underline the need for its own mediating role. ... The longer the conflict continues and the deeper it gets, the more evident is the incapability of the U.S. to moderate the peace process," Schroeder told diplomats and journalists at the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem this week.

"The need for a solution only exists as long as war continues. This is why the EU does not want the conflict to end before it gains [a] major role. And this is why the EU does not wish the PA to give up too early and why the EU is strengthening the PA.

"The EU is ... stirring up conflict that it supposedly wants to see resolved by financing one side. This is inherently inhuman purpose of EU humanitarian aid in the region. The Palestinians are playing the ugly role of cannon fodder of Europe's hidden war against the U.S.," Schroeder charged.

Schroeder, who has served in the European parliament since 1999, is currently an independent member of the Confederal Group of the European United Left/Nordic Green Left.

She started an initiative in the European parliament several years ago to investigate the possible PA misuse of EU funds when Israel put a freeze on the transfer of tax revenues to the PA, fearing that those monies would then be used to fund terror attacks against Israel.

At the time, the EU dismissed Israeli allegations as propaganda.

After Israel raided Arafat's Mukata headquarters compound in Ramallah in 2002 and removed truckloads of official PA documents, Israel confronted the EU with the charge that funds it was transferring to the PA were being used to finance terrorism.

Despite the fact that more than 170 European parliamentarians have now joined Schroeder's initiative for an investigation, she said, it has "pretty much failed."

"European parliament does not intend to verify whether European taxpayers money could have been used to finance anti-Semitic, murderous attacks," she said.

'Road Map' EU Success

According to Schroeder, although the current Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, known as the "road map," was supposedly derived from Bush's peace plan for the region, the EU considers it a big success that the plan was enshrined as U.S. Middle East policy.

"This road map was a German invention that is now in a modified version a part of the official policy of the U.S. ... There was a European success to make the road map the official policy of the U.S. government," she said.

In June 2002, Bush delivered a major Middle East policy address, which called on the Palestinians to elect new leaders "not compromised by terror" - an obvious reference, though not by name, to Arafat and his PLO associates.

Israel welcomed the address, which called on the Palestinians first of all to bring a halt to terror. But the Palestinians rejected Bush's call for a new leadership.

However, a few months later, the U.S. had teamed up with other members of the so-called Quartet, including the EU, United Nations and Russia, to pen the "road map" peace plan, which was supposed to have been based on Bush's speech.

The road map called for Israel to withdraw to positions it had held before the beginning of Palestinian violence in September 2000, the dismantling of illegal outposts in the West Bank, and a cessation of military operations in PA areas - operations, which Israel credited with reducing the number of terror attacks.

The plan required the PA to appoint a prime minister, reorganize its security forces and resume security cooperation with Israel and it promised the PA a state more or less unconditionally by 2005.

"The premise of this plan is that all that is missing for real peace is an independent Palestinian state. In this concept, Israel is held responsible for the existence of an aggressive Palestinian nationalism, for terrorist acts committed against its own citizens and the growth of anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism all over the world.

"Before this happened, Israel and the U.S. demanded the end of terrorist acts as a sign of goodwill from the PA before negotiations could start. Had the PA done this it would have been a sign that they had changed their strategy and wanted to be a real partner in a lasting peace process," Schroeder said
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2004, 01:21:46 AM »
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Good information. Thanx!
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2004, 04:34:46 PM »
William;
   Can you see the possible Armageddon alignment (Ezek 38) in it's infancy?
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2004, 11:32:20 PM »
Yes I can see it--I will say that we have seen a number of possibilities since WWII. The exact alignment has yet to be revealed and other possible suspects may develope. Now, I am not a prophet, and the Lord has not revealed anything too me so I am in the same boat with all.
It would seem a shame to waste such a wonderful opportunity for all of this to come together but the Lord is the one with the plan, he sees the beginning from the end as well as end from the beginning. I trust him, he knows what he is doing and I hesitate to comment on his plan, purpose, or timing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2004, 01:05:53 AM »
William, you do not have to be a prophet to know what is going to happen in the near or far future.  All of that has already been foretold.  It is in your Bible.  But, you must understand prophecy.  In order to understand prophecy, you must have the key that unlocks prophecy.

Here's another little tidbit,  the "final battle" will not take place at Armageddon.  Armageddon is only a gathering place for the armies of the world.  The battle, itself, will take place in the Valley of Jehosephat.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004, 03:03:37 AM »
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You are correct. I was refereing to specifics not the general concept of the prophecy.
Having studied prophecy some, more than most and less than some of the experts, I will still say that the Lord has not revealed any specifics too me. I really doubt that he will, but IF you study it will be a lot clearer when we get to that time, and a lot less chance of error when these time arise.
The thoughts about who will be involved are interesting, but far too vague to be committed to a final conclusion.
I will say that the thought about timing FEELS very comfortable. I hate feelings.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2004, 04:12:17 AM »
William, the Bible is VERY specific in identifying the players in the latter days.  It refers to Germany, the EU, England, Australia, China and the Orient, Russia, France, the USA, and many others.

The book of Daniel identifies the rising beast power of Europe.

The book of Genesis identifies Great Britain, the USA, France, the Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland and others.

The book of Revelation puts everything in chronological order.

What the Bible does not tell us is the actual date of these happenings, but it does give us a calendar of events.  These prophisied events are happening right now.  They have never happened before and will never happen again.

The apostles asked Jesus when the end would would come.  He gave more signs and told us "....be forever watchful...".  This means watch world events.

You can understand Bible prophecy if you really want to, but you must first divorce yourself form many pre-conceived notions and incorrect beliefs.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2004, 04:27:51 AM »
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William, the Bible is VERY specific in identifying the players in the latter days.  It refers to Germany, the EU, England, Australia, China and the Orient, Russia, France, the USA, and many others.

The book of Daniel identifies the rising beast power of Europe.

The book of Genesis identifies Great Britain, the USA, France, the Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland and others.

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  i find these claims very interesting.  i am not saying you are wrong; and i aint saying you are right.  where do you believe that the bible specifically identifies these nations?

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2004, 05:32:17 AM »
Myronman3, these subjects are a bit too lengthy for me to cover in this forum and do justice to them.

I could identify these modern-day nations and their Biblical names for you, but that would offer no proof.

In short, you will find in Genesis, a modern day (end-time) description of the nations founded by the sons of Jacob.  A knowledge of current world affairs will greatly aid in their identification.

Daniel's vision of the world's empires represented by the huge image with the head of gold and feet of iron and clay represents the coming incarnations of the beast power, meaning coming from Daniel's time.  All of these have come but the last, and it is now forming.

Many cities of old bear their same names today.  They have not changed their location so they identify their modern-day countries.

The Bible uses many "code words" that must also be understood, such as mountain, horn, hill, star, beast, head, sea, sanctuary, woman, that day, Lord's day, and many more.  As you can see, this IS a lengthy subject.  Remember, ALL prophecy is seen from a Jerusalem viewing point.  That is, if prophecy denotes that something will happen in the "north", it means north of Jerusalem.  There is no Hebrew word for northwest, so it is written "north and west".

I have studied these things for forty years.  Others have, too.  Let me see if I can find for you some links to this information.  My carpal-tunnel affliction is acting up.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2004, 09:49:13 AM »
i get the jist of what you are saying.  thanks for the clarification; and the time to answer at such length.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 10:43:46 AM »
I am not really worried about the European Union all that much. They will implode in time, you can count on it. All the old prejudice's will rear there ugly heads soon enough. Let's just be honest here. You will never get all those countrys to agree on anything for long. History has shown that time and time again. This Utopia they are working for is a pipe dream at best, or a powder keg at worst.
The truth is they have been mad and jealous of America since 1776 and still are today.
Our Ancestor's were the dreg's and outcast of all of Europe, Religious zealots, Criminals, the Insane, and all the other labels you could come up with. It's the truth, you know it.
They got on ships traveled across the world, landed here subdued an entire indigionus population took there land and built a country out of a wilderness.
We have been kicking the worlds butt ever since. Survival of the fittest is a cruel truth. We have survived and prospered against all odds.
We saved Europe not once but twice in the last century, and they hate our guts for it. Everytime they look at us they see the people they kicked out and sent across the sea to die away. And we keep coming back and rubbing there high an mighty nose's in it everytime.
They are weak, and have no intestinal fortitude. They hate us because we don't back off or back down from a fight.  As a country we are the toughest, meanest, hardest human beings on the planet. We are the world, and the best thing on it!  
Our God has blessed this nation, and carried us through some horrible things only to be victorious in the end.
The Jew's may be God's chosen people, but we must be his favorite!
Now can I get a Amen ! :)
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 12:50:53 PM »
Matlock, I will give you an amen on most of that post......but....

You are correct in saying that the EU will not last for long.....the Bible says 3 1/2 years or 42 months (feet of iron and clay).  That's long enough to do a lot of damage, especially when nuclear weapons are involved.  The thing that will bind them together is a common religion (the woman dressed in scarlet) and a strong leader (the beast upon which the woman rides).  You may read about this in Revelation.  The countries comprising the EU will HAVE to agree on everything....or so says their proposed constitution.

Not all of our ancestors were "the dregs of society", many came here to begin a new life and seize opportunities not available in Europe and the Isles.  

Yes, God did bless this nation....and Great Britain, too.  As a matter of fact, this blessing was passed down to us through Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, his sons.  

The Jews are not the only chosen people. ALL of Israel was chosen to be an example to the rest (gentiles) of the world.  I'm afraid we have not performed to the best of our ability.  Only the tribe of Judah is Jewish.  The term Jew came from the name Judah.  The other tribes (known as the House of Israel) are supposedly "lost".  They are not.  I may get into this later.

And, YES, it seems that we are God's favorite people.  We received the bulk of his blessings....along with Great Britain. This was foretold in prophecy.  Great Britain was prophecied to become a great "company of nations", which it did.  They are now declining.  America was prophecied to become the greatest single nation the world has known.  We did.  And, I see we, too, are in a state of decline.

When a "Top Gun" nation declines or ceases to exist, another will take it's place.....Law of the Jungle.  If a nation perceives another nation to be weak, they will take advantage of the situation....one way or another.  Many times of late, the EU leaders have made reference to re-establishing the "Holy Roman Empire".  This was the hope of Napoleon and Hitler.  Their empires did not last long, either, but they killed a lot of people in the meantime.  So it will be with this last incarnation.  Then and only then will Christ return....".....lest all flesh be destroyed".
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2004, 02:05:18 PM »
Gentlemen, here is a link that will keep you busy for a while.  I don't want to overload your systems.  Once you understand what I am giving you, your blinders will hopefully be removed.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/prophecy.html
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2004, 03:31:25 PM »
I don't generally reply to prophecy discussions as they tend to get more rabid than my wife when she gets mad at me.
I have read and studied, heard preached, been taught more Bible prophecy than I can throw up between now and Christ Jesus' return, and believe me, I do not mean that in any mean spirited way.
I will tell you about Christ jesus and preach him til he returns.
 There is more to Bible Prophecy than most think and to some the teaching of such is to the extent that it takes the place of the preaching of Christ.
I will tell you I understand each and every point in each and every stance and also that it has not won one to Christ and has even led some astray.
I will tell you that I have beliefs which I will not share with others because I think it is fruitless and serves no good purpose it the church.
It is good enough for me to know and study and be prepared for Christ return.
Now I really am not putting anyone down I just doan want to study anymore prophecy right now.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2004, 04:36:30 PM »
well i happen to find that link interesting.  a whole lot of readng to be done there.   i read for an hour (and i read fast) and i need to take a break from it until my eyes uncross.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2004, 01:54:15 PM »
Be sure to go to the INDEX page.  It is located at the end of most articles.  It contains a message that all should contemplate.

William, there is more history here than prophecy.  Be careful or you might just learn something.

Don't forget to read the articles on Germany.

I'll let you fellas get back to your studies.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2004, 12:57:19 AM »
This is an old story and one that has had widespread reading, long before the computer.
It was part of the foundation of The world wide church of god. There is much speculation and, frankly, little solid proof of the claims. the records do not support or deny. Much of the argument is from silence.
It is good fireside reading and a lot of saga and intrigue but not a lot of meat.
Most all reputable writers disclaim the findings and the wwcog has since turned to a more formal church doctrine.
I would not put this up there with the more popular pseudo writings of Thomas or lost books of lore.
The message has little influence, and certainly does not add to the salvation story or the main message of the bible.
We are not given choices to change the outcome of the Lords will. We cannot make this earth a kingdom for the  Lord. Frankly, I am looking forward to that permanent home the Lord has planned.
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2004, 02:07:40 AM »
You are most welcome to your beliefs, William.  If what the Bible plainly states is untrue, then God is a liar.  Please refute the evidence or take your seat.

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2004, 04:06:03 AM »
Where do you see that I said the bible was untrue?
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2004, 03:13:50 PM »
I agree with William on this one...the Anglo/Israeli theory is an old idea that crops up now and then....as William said, Herbert W. Armstrong has really capitalized on this (I believe) misguided theory.
   I didn't read the whole article, I must confess...but I did read far enough to catch one glaring error.
   The article stated that no nation was specifically blessed by God before the time of Moses.
   My thoughts immediately went to Gen.12:2,3, where He promised Abram(before he was called Abraham) that he would make of him a great nation and bless those that bless him and curse those that curse him. ALL nations would be blessed through him.
  God further demonstrated his favor to  Abraham's son Isaac(Progenitor of the Jews) over Ishmael (Progenitor of the Arabs) Gen 17:17-21...
   Abraham preceded Moses by many centuries...perhaps 15 centuries or there abouts.
  Curiously, the writer of the article later quoted Gen 12:2,3...I don't know why he didn't catch is error....
   There are some Universities here in the US that have a great thrust of studying, interpreting and writing commentaries about the Bible. They probably have studied the Bible with greater diligence, and more authority than most anyone else.
   These Universities, such as Liberty (Va), Hyles-Anderson (In) and Biola (Ca), Bob Jones (SC) , Regent (Va)...as well as many others, too numerous to mention , have researched the  Anglo/Israeli theology and have each rejected it.
  Take the liberty to call one of these universities or perhaps Dallas Theological seminary....or Billy Graham's headquarters and ask them.
   Try Roberts Wesleyan U. or any other credible, Bible based university or college....they rate this theology about with the "lost books of Thomas" , the "Nag-hamadi manuscripts or the current "Grailie" fad such as outlined in "The Da Vinci Code".

    I KNOW what they will tell you...
   
  Just my 2 pennies...
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2004, 11:39:08 PM »
Well, Ironglow, I see you are in the same boat with those you just mentioned.  Isaac was not the progenitor of the Jews.  Judah was.  The name Jew is short for Judah.  And, Ishmael was not the progenitor of the Arabs.  If you will study your Bible carefully, you will see that the Arabs were in existance before the birth of Ishmael.

Yes, Abraham was blessed by God.  Did these blessings materialize in his lifetime?  No.  The blessings were passed on to Isaac and increased, yet he never bacame a great nation.  The birthright promise then went to Jacob, remember?  Then from Jacob to his two grandsons, Ephraim and Manasseh.  

You really should read the article before commenting.
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2004, 12:30:38 AM »
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And the beat goes on--there really is nothing else to comment on. Phrophecy is a tough subject and MANY study it. Some study it, as they do the rest of the Bible, for secrets and new knowledge.
This is one of the reasons I very rarely comment on phrophecy. There are so many therories out there and all are convienced they are right and just can't see why others don't see the truth in their findings. They spend countless hours researching for verification of their thought and many more argueing the truth of it.
There is only one central theme of the Bible that is given for the understanding of man, and, I believe, that is Jesus Christ crucified.
Even this is lost on some as the Holy Spirit either does not give them vision or they reject, to their loss, this calling.
Man cannot provide enough evidence, arguement, apologetics to bring another to Christ without the aid of the Holy spirit. That said, we are to water and some to reap.
I enjoy reading prophecy and do understand it pretty well. I read a lot of different people. I have thoughts which are my own but will not share with others. This is mainly because the cause of Christ is of the primary importance.
I can give point by point arguements for The day Christ was crucified and explain it well enough to argue for 3, well 4 different days. I can give you the arguements for the 4 major themes of the raputre. In my day it was always going to be China and Russia in the final coalition. Previous to that there were other folks that knew it was going to be such and such. I am aware of the major thoughts of the kingdom, this earth, a new earth, destroyed, ect.-Study all, preach Christ.
As I said in the beginning--none of this will point anyone to Christ and most often will lead those who are young astray from the calling of Christ.
Read this stuff, study it. It is great fireside reading. Keep on preaching the Gospel of Christ Jesus--unless a man repent and believe I am who I say I am he cannot enter the gates of the kingdom.
Christ Jesus IS God. He did come to give you life eternal by believing that he is who he says he is. Repent from your thoughts and believe in Him who is sent to forgive sins. Some will/some will not-perhaps some can't. I am not in control of that.
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2004, 01:11:18 AM »
Now ya did not ask, but, if ya really want to study, brew a pot of black, smoke um if ya got em and go to "A Christian Thinktank".
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2004, 02:24:30 AM »
As I said before, "Refute the evidence....".  Any other comments add nothing to the facts.
Don't believe everything you think.

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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2004, 05:44:23 AM »
well good luck to you shooter. You need to re-read what I wrote.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2004, 06:48:46 AM »
Let me ask a couple of simple questions.
Did you develope this prophecy on your own?
Did you read this opinion and just say that seems right?
What method did you use too check out the claims of the writer?
What other sources did you use to verify or object to the findings?
How creditable is the author of this treasis?
What is this authors background?
What other sources did he use to obtain the extra biblical information that he uses?
A good bibliography would be helpful.

Now I have read some of his writing and one thing that ran up a red flag for me was the statement that he does not attend a church and that he and his sister discuss scripture often.
This masterpiece is one that cannot be confirmed by scripture and that the extra biblical records he reports on are at best questionalble by other authorities and at worse sheer speculation.
I would refer you to "Kingdom of the Cults" by Dr Walter Martin.
I would agree that this is interesting reading. His use of scripture has been described as circular reasoning by some. Certainly he uses scripture to confirm his own mind, so do most cults. Now I am not putting him in the class of a cult how ever there are others who disagree with him, and well I don't agree with a lot of their theory either.
Now if you want to buy into it that is ok just doan expect others to follow as blindly.
There are ways that seem right to man, ect.
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