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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2004, 10:51:40 AM »
This is worrying you to death, isn't it, William?  Do you feel threatened by any beliefs foreign to your own?  Is it possible that you may be wrong?  That's the scary part, isn't it, William?  That you may be wrong.

In answer to your questions, I have been researching Biblical history for thirtyeight years.  I am a historical researcher by profession (semi-retired).  I use about a dozen translations along with secular histories.  The writings of Josephus being among the best.  I very heavily depend on scholars of both Greek and Hebrew languages as I neither read nor speak either.  No, I have not developed this prophecy on my own.  God, Himself, aided and abetted.  When I explain prophecy, I will usually include the book and chapter that pertains, but not the verse.  That way it is less likely to be taken out of context by the reader.

I know nothing of the writer of the links in question, yet I have found his articles to contain very few factual errors....and those few are very insignificant.  This site is only one among many similar sites.  In fact, I chose it at random.  Want some more?

In a previous post you stated that "in your time" it was China and Russia who were to bring about the end.  I remember that time.  Even then, I knew it was to be a United States of Europe to do so.  Why?  Because God's Word foretold it.  Gog and Magog (China and Russia) have another role to play.  Want to hear about that?

To understand prophecy, William, you must have TWO things....an open Bible and an open mind.  I think you are half way there.

Now, if I remember correctly, this thread is about Europe.....let's get back to it, shall we?
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2004, 12:17:45 AM »
To william;
  Ditto on all points....
 We, as individuals can be great researchers but working alone, we can " get off on rabbit trails".
   Loader;There are batteries of well educated linguists, interpreters, historians, archaeologists , experts in hermeneutics and sincere people from the various sciences at the various universities I mentioned. These people are working in concert to properly exegete the Scriptures.
  I, as an individual, cannot possibly equal these combined efforts of dedicated, educated, spiritual scholars.
  Even these batteries of knowledgeable people differ as to the details; but NONE of them endorse the A/I theology...
  Did you call any of them, as I suggested?
     Can you point out a few  notable universities or seminaries that promote this Anglo/Israel theology?
   If you can, please do so...
 
  Meanwhile let's get back on topic, since "just arguing" will get us nowhere...
   
    No matter what kind of interpretation or perhaps mistaken views we hold ( any of us)...it all comes down to the question Jesus asked in   Matt16:15..."He saith unto them, but whom say ye that I am?"
  And our answer should agree with Peter's answer..."Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
   
   The whole gospel is basically summed up in John3:16....
 
  Arguing prophesy is like arguing what kind of weather we will have May 21, 2006...depends where we are at, and then we are really just taking an "educated guess".
  We can  debate history authoritatively...but prophesy????

    We can argue "details" till we are weary; but the old saying, "the devil is in the details" had it's origin by perhaps the same type of arguing..

   Let's commit ourselves to Christ and get on with life..

     Maranatha!....Ironglow
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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2004, 01:43:32 AM »
Revelation 6


The Seals

1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Do you know the meaning of this bit of end-time prophecy?  Do you know what this rider represents?  This is the first of the four horsemen.  The other three follow.  This rider represents DECEPTION.

God said that in the latter days, the whole world would be deceived.....with the exception of a few.......the little flock.  He did not say that only the Muslims, or only the Catholics, or only the Methodists, or only the Hindus, or only the Santariaists would be decieved.  These main religions of the world do not qualify as the "little flock" as they are composed of millions, or billions.  Satan's mission is to deceive.

I am afraid the institutions you have mentioned are subsidiaries of these main religions.  I know what answer they would give.

I, earlier, mentioned an open mind.  I understand why one would deny the truth.  It's kinda like the town drunk, who, when asked why he didn't give up drinking, replied that he had too much invested to quit at this late stage.

My advice is if you don't like my post....ignore it.  There are probably others on this board who quietly took some of this information to heart.

Now,.....back to Europe.
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2004, 02:25:06 AM »
Loader-
No siree-you don't bother me. I think that if you read my post you would see that I neither confirmed nor denied your findings.
I appreciate your filling us in on your background, it does help.
I will stick to the original issue I did post a concern about. The only thing I am concerned about is that others find Christ Jesus. All other issues are good fireside reading and add nothing to the message of Jesus christ crucified.
If you wish to hold to your thoughts that is ok, and I find not a thing wrong with the Bible prophecy. I have concerns about the lost tribes and have never found enough evidence to substantuate the claims above a interesting reading and great speculation opinion.
Intimidation is a weak form of arguement and often is useless on the informed.
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2004, 06:34:32 AM »
Loader;
  It's not that I don't like your posts; on the contrary, they are quite entertaining..you, as much as anyone else, are free to choose your own path...After all The Lord is big on "Free Will".
   
  As far as all the debate over what prophesy MAY mean, we would perhaps be better served by what we already KNOW  Jesus has done. We need not worry over prophesy and I am assured that none of us should rely on OUR interpretation as being above others and without flaw.
   Being highly schooled in every jot and tittle concerning prophesy does in no way make our salvation more effective.   Remember...Paul said;"For I am determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and him crucified" I Cor 2:2...
Salvation is obviously the paramount message!

    I find that often those that endorse the A/I theology seem to mix works in with salvation..surely you're not into that type of reasoning..?
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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2004, 12:11:31 PM »
Hmmmmmm....

no mention of Bigfoot?  :eek:

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« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2004, 05:27:52 PM »
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa, just littlefoot here!
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Remember, 95% of all energency room visits are made shortly AFTER this statement; HEY, Y'ALL WATCH THIS!  :shock:   :)  :)  :-D

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2004, 05:17:50 PM »
Whar dat crossbow....????
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2004, 12:23:21 AM »
Getting back to Europe, here's an interesting article by someone who seems to know of which he speaks.

British troops occupied Baghdad early yesterday morning at the end of a brilliant 100 miles march up the Tigris. With the British army of Mesopotamia capturing Baghdad it has shattered the dream which the Pan-Germans have been dreaming for more than 20 years.” Times, March 12, 1917

More on the real reasons for the adamant Franco-German opposition to U.S. war plans—and why they are significant

By Rodney Atkinson    
 
It would have seemed an exaggeration to say, immediately after September 11, 2001, that there was a direct link between the attacks on New York and Washington and the crisis in the European Union.
    It also would have seemed far-fetched to assert that there was a link between Arab/Muslim expansionism and the new “German Europe.”
    However there are, as in all wars, historic reasons for certain nations and certain religious or national groups to share an enemy. The Iraq crisis has demonstrated that such links are not at all imaginary.
    It also hardly seemed credible, as the democracies of Britain and the United States prepared to remove a dictator in Iraq, that the leader of NATO “ally” Germany should refuse to take a call from the U.S. president, or that a German minister should compare President Bush to Hitler and yet another minister should call him a “dictator.”
    Meanwhile, the French president (who personally negotiated the supply of a nuclear facility for Iraq) is contemptuous of the U.S. and insults 10 Eastern European states for supporting the British/U.S. policies on Iraq!
    With “allies” such as these, who needs enemies?
    The Franco-German enmity should come as no surprise to those who really understand the nature of the struggle against German imperialism and European fascism that raged between 1939 and 1945.
    The Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein is not a religious regime but an anti-religious, secular socialist and nationalist dictatorship—in other words fascist, very much in the tradition of Europe in the 1940s. Iraq’s historic and modern links to the German State are even more intimate than those to Jacques Chirac’s France.

Planned in Germany
    The 9/11 terrorist attacks on the U.S. were planned in Germany. Those who see Israel as their enemy would tend to seek sympathy in a nation not exactly renowned for its historic affinity to Jews. Those who see the U.S. as a threat are more likely (given the ranting anti-Americanism of German ministers mentioned above) to see German Europe as a counter or at least a competitor to that threat. They would never see Britain in that light.
    During the First World War, Germany and the Ottoman Empire were allies, and German agents were sent to “set the east ablaze” in the hope of creating such a wave of Islamic anti-British feeling that the Muslims would rise up in revolt. In the 1920s, the Germans still ran the officers’ training corps that they had founded for the Iraqis!
    The vast majority of the supply of chemical factories to Iraq in the 1980s came from Germany! The evidence from an Iraqi defector (BBC program “Correspondent,” March 3, 2001) showed that Germany contributed 80 percent of the resources needed to establish the Iraqi nuclear weapons program.
    It is also significant that Germany encouraged and indeed armed Bosnian and Albanian Muslims during the war that broke up Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Indeed, Bosnian and Albanian Muslims were recruited into German Waffen SS divisions during World War II.
    Of interest in this connection is the significance of the fez, the hat which was part of the 1940s Handzhar (Bosnian Muslim Nazi) uniform. The fez was widely worn in the Ottoman Empire and symbolized both Muslim fanaticism and Ottoman power. By setting up a division of Muslim troops wearing the fez, the Nazis were appealing to Islamic fanaticism, and promising a return to the Ottoman spirit. (To show how seriously Himmler and Hitler took their alliance with Islamic fanatics, even the Handzhar Waffen SS division’s commanding officer was required to wear the fez.) Handzhar was set up for Bosnian Muslims—the name resurfaced in the 1990s in Bosnia as the German-inspired breakup of Yugoslavia reached its zenith!
    According to German documentation of the visit to Hitler by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 30, 1941, the latter told the führer that the German Reich was “admired by the whole Arab world.” “The Arabs were Germany’s friends because they have the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews and the Communists.” “The Mufti welcomed the statement that Germany recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home” (Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945, Series D, vol. XIII).
    Hitler told the Mufti that “Germany was resolved to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem and at the proper time direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.”

Echo of the Past
    In an echo of what is happening today in Germany’s refusal to attack Iraq, Hitler’s Germany told the Mufti that “the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from the Caucasus. As soon as this happened the führer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived.” Today as the new Reich reaches out to Poland, and subsequently to Bulgaria and Romania, Chancellor Gerhard Schröder even dares openly and aggressively to oppose U.S. and British policy against the dictatorship in Iraq!
    It is today an insidious tactic of Germany and France—who together have provided Iraq with more facilities for chemical, biological and nuclear production than anyone—to demand that Iraqi refugee scientists, never mind scientists in Iraq, openly expose themselves to death at the hands of Saddam for telling to the international media the truth about the weapons programs they worked on. This is particularly obnoxious when the German secret service knows all too well the nature of the materials supplied to Iraq.
    Friedbert Pflueger, foreign-policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties in Germany, recently accused the Red-Green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German Intelligence Service) evidence of the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. “If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
    In February 2001, the BND compiled a report, and Intelligence Chief August Hanning told Der Spiegel magazine that, “Since the end of the U.N. inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq,” adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities “partly based on the German industrial standard.” The lists of suppliers to Iraq contain many of the leading German firms, at least one of which, Preussag, is intimately connected to Chancellor Schröder.
    As the Franco-German empire in Western Europe (in the disguise of the European Union) consolidates its power over other nations—including the constitutionally castrated Britain—so the French and German governments have become more aggressive and arrogant. The expansion to the east by the European Union was to be the achievement of the German historic destiny frustrated in 1918 and 1945. For France and its Napoleon admirers, the eastern expansion would prove the visionary nature of that “great leader of Europe,” who was stopped in his imperial tracks by Wellington!
    But the arrogance of the Franco-German political class never anticipated that the Eastern applicants for membership of the EU would be anything other than sycophants and blind followers of the Franco-German project. The Iraq affair has exposed both the aggressive nature of the imperialist European superstate and the fact that those nations that just escaped from the dictatorship of the Soviet Union will not willingly tolerate a similar oppression by the EU.
    Those who forget history are condemned to relive it. The tragedy in Britain is that its politicians never even knew any history in the first place. Fortunately the Bush administration is learning fast. The true nature of its so-called Allies on the continent of Europe has never been more evident.

    Rodney Atkinson is one of the most highly praised political economists in Britain. An occasional adviser to ministers of government, he is a prolific author on the subject of the uniting Europe. His most recent books are Europe’s Full Circle and Fascist Europe Rising. For more information, visit his website at www.freenations.freeuk.com.
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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2004, 01:12:46 PM »
Loader;
   You must have searched a long time for that excuse...
 
  Nice try "journalist" Atkinson, but that is ancient history; and that's about as plausable as the terrorists that claim they murder children in pizza parlors and day-care centers because of the "Crusades" of 800-900 years ago..
   The real joke that Atkinson told was that the French are concerned that old Saddam wasn't religious enough....the same France that doesn't want religious symbols worn in their schools. The France that is among the most secular nations in Europe!!  
  Lets be honest; the French and Germans didn't want Saddam Hussein overthrown simply because we may have found out (as we have) that some high officals of their respective governments were swindling the "Oil-for-food" program that was being administered (and robbed) by the UN.

    No Loader; you will have to have a more sensible excuse than that...I may have been born on a Saturday...but it wasn't LAST Saturday!!!
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2004, 02:05:46 PM »
It seems that Mr. Atkinson has some pretty impressive credentials.

Rodney Atkinson is one of the most highly praised political economists in Britain. An occasional adviser to ministers of government, he is a prolific author on the subject of the uniting Europe. His most recent books are Europe’s Full Circle and Fascist Europe Rising. For more information, visit his website at www.freenations.freeuk.com.

What are yours?
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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2004, 03:54:16 PM »
Sure; Michael Moore and Algore have great credentials with some groups also..
   In case anyone has any curiosity, they can click into that website you cited...shows just what a single issue, fixated crackpot he is...

  While I tend to agree with him that the Euro silliness is not good for the UK (or any other nation, that side of the pond)...all he seemed to do is tell who the many, many peoiple he doesn't like or agree with are; but gives no clue to who he DOES agree with.
   He does praise "Labour" and condemn "Corporatists"...sounds a bit like Marx's manifesto...lol


  My credentials: same as his; highly praised economist ( my wife says I can get full value out of a dollar!).... lol

   An adviser to leading politicians...yup, I write letters to congressmen and senators...
 
  Any kook with an axe to grind can set up a website and claim all kinds of things.....this kook has a real hangup where Germany and Nazis and Euro-union concerned, but seems to be content to "curse "the darkness", rather than to 'light any candles"....

    His problem....I'm not going to make it mine!
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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2004, 10:09:53 PM »
I guess if your country had been reduced to ruins and your people slaughtered by these people in the recent past, you would keep an eye on them, too.

Fortunately, you live in a country where you can remain complacent in your ignorance of the history of Europe.  German hegemony should always be in the forefront of our thoughts when it comes to world affairs.

Your flippant attitude does not become you, my friend, and it does nothing to alter the truth.  With each of your posts, or should I say counter-posts, you look more and more foolish.

Have a nice D-day.
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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2004, 12:39:21 AM »
There goes the old attempt at intimidation. Does not make you look believable Loader.
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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2004, 02:23:15 AM »
Loader;
  I have to hand it to you; you have great tenacity, especially when confronted with virtually undeniable truths!
   Perhaps the only thing you possess more of is blatant arrogance!
  Just under this string about "The end of Europe", I have found the following accusations:
  1.) to the general posters: you didn't want to "overload their systems"
   "when you UNDERSTAND what I am giving you", your blinders will hopefully be removed".
     
 Loader; who do you think you are..Isaiah..Jeremiah..or John the Baptist?

  2.) When Wm. Layton didn't agree with your version of prophesy, you obliquely accused him of calling God a liar.
   Shame on you! I am sure that Wm. and I probably do not agree on all points of scripture....but I would never call his sincereity or honesty into question. It could be that William has some facts better than I do. William is a Christian; NO REAL Christian would ever call God a liar!

    Your belligerent statement about the subject, sounds eerily familiar to those that emanate regularly from splinter cults!

  3.) You said to William, "Be careful or you might just learn something".

       Loader: review that statement mentally, and contemplate how that makes you appear!

  4.)  Myself, you accused of being "Ignorant of the history of Europe" and of course Germany.
    Presumptuous of you, isn't it? How well do you know my background?
 The simple fact that I do not agree on all points with you, does not make me "ignorant of" European or German history.
 
  A couple facts..
        I spent 2&1/2 years living in Germany, albeit 35-40 years ago...

        I have been called upon especially, and did, teach European history, although it was on a high school, not college level.

         Yes, I do have a degree in Bible, however it is only an assoc. degree, from a Baptist seminary.
   My greatest education came, I believe, from several years of teaching Bible to appx. 20 senior men, each of whom were serious Biblical students in their own right!

   5.) As I see it, your theology is fatally flawed; in  this string I mentioned several prominent universities that specialize in Biblical studies that would refute your claims and I challenged you to name just one prominent college or university that would back your Anglo/israeli theology. You simply ignored my challenge....I'm still waiting for your authoritative University, Loader!!!

  You claimed that you attend no regular church. Agreed; one CAN be a Christian without it, but it is difficult. There is a reason that God said we should not forsake the gathering together of the saints!
   When we try to "go it alone" we can get off on "rabbit trails" or caught up in the cults.
  When we go out on a limb alone, invariably the limb droops down, where the wolves (cults) can get us!

   Loader; I said that even Billy Graham would clearly disagree with your theology...do you believe that even he is Ssatanically led??

   
    Some huge mark of the cults:

      A)Cults believe that they have the whole exclusive truth .

        B)Those that disagree with them on any point are being " misled by Satan".

       C) Cults, be they theological or political offer up many truths...along with just a few lies....an age-old tactic!
       
          "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump".


      My old Dad used to say; "When you are green, you're growing...just about the time you think you're RIPE...you're already starting to turn rotten."

     Good advice, Loader!
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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2004, 02:52:57 AM »
Well, Ironglow, since you are dragging your ol' daddy into this, let me tell you what mine said.  

He said, "Son, don't ever wrestle with pigs.  You'll both get dirty....and the pigs will love it."

I'm not going to debate you, further.  Dad was right.

BUT....maybe you oughta double up on your medications because I am getting ready to offer more proof. :grin:
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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2004, 03:10:18 AM »
Loader;
  Your "proofs" are proofs for you; perhaps not for many others!
 
   I DID notice, no explanation of your statements of arrogance...no apologies either.
 
  Again; is Billy Graham completely wrong?
   
  Still waiting for the name of one (uno, single, lone, solo, remote, etc.) recognized college or university that endorses your theology!


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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2004, 04:08:22 AM »
Loader-
Let us cut to the chase. Just for arguement sake, let us assume you are correct in each and every point you make.
What is your point? What is your solution?
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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2004, 06:50:12 AM »
William;
   Touche'....good point!
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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2004, 02:54:43 AM »
Eur-Asia
MAGAZINE              
June 2003

By Graham Humphries

EUROPE TODAY
Since the Maastricht Treaty was signed by EU members in 1992, the EU has been bent on a course of establishing a European army. Further treaties concluded by members of the EU in Amsterdam in 1997 and Nice in 2000 raised the prospect of the development of a European “rapid reaction force.” In language which took due care not to raise alarm or revive memories of the military horrors of 55 years ago, the Eurocrats couched the proposal for this military force in terms that bespoke a force for crisis management and peacekeeping—a sort of support to the UN’s traditional role.
But, once again, using the events of September 11 to justify their unseemly rush, the Eurocrats, who agreed to a target of 2003 as the year to launch this combined military force, brought forward this initiative by more than a year and announced they were kickstarting it last month on December 14!
Not only this, but even before launching this fledgling force—no longer seeing the need to allay the fears of those who still have a memory of the history of Europe’s two greatest wars—“The EU is studying the possibility of extending the mandate of the future EU reaction force beyond crisis management and peacekeeping and eventually include common defense …” (www.EUobserver.com, Nov. 30, 2001).
German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, brashly disregarding concerns over German history of the past two centuries, “told the press Germany supported an extension of the present mandate of the future EU force to allow it to cover the whole range of operations relevant to the security of the Union” (ibid.).
Former British Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Alun Chalfont bluntly declared, “What is now being proposed is nothing less than a European army—like the common currency, a potential building block in the construction of a Eurostate. … [It reflects] the determination of some European leaders to turn an economic union into a single European state” (Salisbury Review, Autumn 2001).
The rotten heart of the lying core of this serpentine union of European nation states is revealed in Lord Chalfont’s following comment: “[T]he meeting in Helsinki in December 1999 … outlined the Common European Policy on Security and Defense. … The conclusions of the conference insisted that this ‘does not imply the creation of a European army’—a mantra repeated endlessly in the debate about this matter. Of course, it is a European army and in the minds of many people that is what it is intended to be. To quote the words of Romano Prodi, the President of the EU Commission, ‘When I was talking about the European army, I was not joking’” (ibid.).

Enlargement
Ancient Rome was a colonizing power. A powerful military force was fundamental to the success of its colonizing prowess. This was the case from the time of their overseas excursions as a republic in 282-146 B.C. to the rise to imperial greatness and the birth of the Byzantine Empire in the 4th century.
All subsequent resurrections of this ancient empire, from Justinian to the alliance between Mussolini and Hitler, were aggressive in their efforts for increased hegemony. This was particularly the case under the Germanic emperors, who constantly strove for Lebensraum—living space.
We should not be surprised, then, to see the consequence of Germany’s first foreign-policy enactment upon its reunification in 1990. As our editor in chief points out in his article on page 2, it was Germany’s unilateral action in recognizing Croatia and Slovenia as nation-states separate from the Yugoslav federation that caused the Balkan wars of the 1990s, culminating in the virtual economic takeover of that volatile peninsula by the EU. The Balkans are now held to ransom by the German-dominated EU via a German-initiated reconstruction pact funded by EU largess and secured by mostly EU military personnel. This is designed to ultimately give the Union political control over this vital crossroads of the European continent. With the Balkan Peninsula fairly well secured, the EU is feeling more aggressive in its intent to extend its colonization to other areas.
 
Slippery Diplomacy
Within that which British economist Bernard Connolly describes as “the rotten heart of Europe,” there is a desperate evil. It will consummate in the elevation of one leading individual who is described in Daniel’s great prophecy as a common flatterer: “And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries” (Dan. 11:21).
This word flatteries comes from a Hebrew term meaning smooth, treacherous, slippery. The king of the north will be an especially slippery customer! Watching the backslapping and rubbing of hands of a couple of the EU’s top leaders certainly reminds one of the slippery nature of EU politics and diplomacy.
This treacherous diplomacy seems particularly suited to the changeable nature of the German character. Stolid, supremely well organized, brilliant in engineering, favored in the appreciation and perpetuation of high culture, industrious, the Germans have one great character flaw—their mutability.
That masterful commentator on the nature of the Europeans, Luigi Barzini, an anti-fascist journalist, had a common-sense view of where the EU was leading even before unification was a reality: “The future of Europe appears largely to depend today once again, for good or evil, whether we like it or not, as it did for many centuries, on the future of Germany” (The Europeans).
Barzini had a thorough grasp of the unstable nature of the German character, likening it to the mythical Proteus: “It is therefore once again essential for everybody … to keep an eye across the Rhine and the Alps and the Elbe in order to figure out, as our fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, the ancient Romans, and remote ancestors had to do, who the Germans are, who they think they are, what they are doing, and where they will go next, wittingly or unwittingly. This, of course, was always impossible to fathom. How can one tell? Germany is a trompe l’oeil protean country. As everybody knows, only when one tied down Proteus, the prophetic old man of the sea, could one make him reveal the shape of things to come. But he couldn’t be pinned down easily; he continued to change. He could be a roaring lion, a harmless sheep, a slippery serpent, a charging bull …” (ibid.).
Thus it is that this protean German character has, under the leadership of the chameleon-like Chancellor Schröder, come out of the closet to bury the past and assert itself on the world stage as a diplomatic and political force to be reckoned with.
In the words of one newspaper, Mr. Schröder said the September 11 attack on the U.S. “had prompted a turning point in Berlin’s foreign policy, with its role as a ‘secondary player’ in international affairs now over. … ‘We Germans, more than anyone, now have a duty fully to meet our responsibility,’ said the chancellor, referring to the former West Germany’s reliance on the U.S. and European partners for its security. Mr. Schröder made clear that the new phase in foreign policy would be characterized by a readiness to accept military commitments on a scale not comparable with the past. … ‘This is a new phase in German foreign policy,’ said Karsten Voigt, coordinator for German American relations in the foreign ministry. ‘Germany is showing itself increasingly prepared to bring in the military element as a component of foreign policy’” (Financial Times, Oct. 12, 2001).
Those with a deep appreciation of history and the changeable nature of the German character would do well to think on three occasions over the past 130 years when German chancellors and ministers of government made similar assertions—1870, 1914 and 1939! The words of Friedrich Nietzsche, the darling of Western socialists, powerfully echo Schröder’s claim of the uniqueness of the German duty to the world: “One must seek to make amends for one’s superiority. To be ashamed of one’s power. To use it in the most salutary way. … Awe-inspiring power. The only way to use the present kind of German power correctly is to comprehend the tremendous obligation which lies in it” (The Europeans, p. 93).
Yet it is not only the Germans who need watching in Europe. “Fifty-six years after he was shot and strung upside-down in Milan’s Piazzale Loreto, Benito Mussolini is enjoying a revival as Italy’s shame about the dictator yields to fascination. … ‘This present rehabilitation of the man who allied himself politically and militarily with the Nazis, who persecuted Italian Jews without prompting from Hitler, who dragged Italy into a disastrous war, is not surprising.’ It is a reflection of serious changes in Italian society and politics,’ wrote James Walston, a historian at the American University in Rome …” (Guardian, Sept. 10, 2001).
Spain too is feeling its Euro-oats: “The Spanish foreign minister, Josef Pique, has threatened Britain with a ‘very negative’ deterioration of relations if Spain does not get what she wants over Gibraltar. What Spain wants is that Gibraltar becomes Spanish” (www.panorama.gi, Sept. 19, 2001).

The Shape of Things to Come
As historian Walston has seen, serious changes are afoot in Europe. The pendulum has swung, and Europe is uniting—or rather being united—by a powerful Franco-German politicizing and bureaucratizing influence in Brussels. By force of Teutonic diplomacy on the world scene it is moving into the role of aggressive “peacemaker.”
The current resurgence of Europe is deeply rooted in history and clearly delineated in prophecy. Here’s what to watch for over the coming months and the years just ahead.
Watch for a continuing rise in neo-Nazi disturbances associated with Europeans of fascist leanings coming out of the closet, as Europe continues its political swing to the right.
Watch for the betrayal of Gibraltar by the British government in a handover of that crucial sea gate from British to Spanish sovereignty.
Watch for the stitching up of the Balkans under EU administration and military security tied to the withdrawal of U.S. troops.
Watch for continuing, more overt diplomacy by German-led EU missions to Pakistan, Russia and Iran as the EU asserts its role to influence the outcome of the war in Afghanistan. At risk is access to Middle Eastern oil, crucial for the European economy.
Watch for the EU to play off Russia and the U.S. to its advantage—particularly in relation to Caspian oil.
Watch for a strengthening of more open alliance between the Vatican and the EU, and for the EU to play a stronger mediating role, via trade and aid, in bringing Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy closer together, as this Union enlarges eastward.
Watch for the U.S. to be replaced by the EU as chief negotiator of peace in the Middle East.
Watch for the rise of the old alliance between Germany and Japan to take on greater significance as Japan looks increasingly away from the U.S. and toward the EU as its major trading partner—if only temporarily.
Watch for the drafting of a European Union constitution, based on a common currency, common police, judicial and security system, and a common defense force, which will revive the old imperial system of the ancient Roman Empire in this 21st century.
Watch for economic and social destabilization in Europe to rise in the wake of the launch of the euro.
Watch for the coming destabilization of society in Europe to spawn the political, economic, social and religious climate ripe for the rise of a treacherous demagogue, who gains office by flatteries, destined to wreak great havoc on the world scene.
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2004, 11:48:25 AM »
OOOOH ...HUUUM...
   We ask honest questions and all we get is regurgitated babble from
some "web site Tower of Babel"......
     How about some honest answers to honest questions?
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)