Texas Secessionist: 'Texit' May Be Closer Than You Think

[Graybeard]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/texas-seccesion-supreme-court/2024/01/31/id/1151771/

By Nick Koutsobinas    |   Wednesday, 31 January 2024 05:31 PM EST

Amid escalating tensions with federal authorities over border control, the concept of Texas seceding from the United States, commonly referred to as "Texit," is gaining attention.

On Wednesday, Newsweek reported that one such man pushing to separate Texas from the Union is Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement.

Speaking on his "Texas News" podcast Tuesday, Miller argued that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is "standing up for our rights, the law, and our sovereignty."

"It's interesting times we live in, folks," he added. "And I think that we're heading to a place where this is beyond a constitutional crisis."

On Jan. 22, the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 verdict that the Biden administration can remove razor wire at the southern border.

Miller later added to Newsweek, "The current border issue has done two things. First, it has turned a significant number of undecided voters into 'yes' voters. It seems to have also had the effect of activating a significant number of independent voters and is pushing them to support a vote on TEXIT."

Critics of Miller shrugged off the idea as flights of fancy. James Henson, director of the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas at Austin, told Newsweek that a seceding of Texas is "divorced from reality."

"Texas nationalists calling for something akin to a Texit represent some combination of fantasy and symbolic gesture, each divorced from reality ... The GOP party apparatus has become the favored dwelling place of extreme and esoteric elements, where such factions are treated much more seriously than they are among the general public," he continued.

"In some areas, they sometimes succeed in moving the center of the party to the right and in attracting attention to ideas and proposals that have little relation to reality — like the idea of an independent Texas."

[Graybeard]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/texas-gop-platform-secede/2022/06/20/id/1075217/

By Charlie McCarthy    |   Monday, 20 June 2022 01:44 PM EDT

Texas Republicans want the state's citizens to vote on seceding from the United States.

The Lone Star State's GOP members, at last week's convention in Houston, adopted a party-platform measure demanding a vote on secession in 2023.

"Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government," the platform states under a section titled "State Sovereignty," Newsweek reported.

"Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified."

The platform says that state Republicans want the Texas Legislature to pass a bill in its next session "requiring a referendum in the 2023 general election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."

However, the U.S. Constitution makes no provision for states to secede, Newsweek said, and in 1869, the Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White that states cannot unilaterally secede from the Union.

"If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede," the late Justice Antonin Scalia once wrote, Newsweek reported.

Republican State Rep. Kyle Biedermann last year introduced a bill that called for a "Texit" referendum, which was endorsed by state Republican Party Chair Allen West. The bill ultimately failed.

The legislation was criticized by lawmakers in both major parties, with Republican Rep. Jeff Leach branding it a "disgrace to the Lone Star State" and the "very definition of seditious."

In November, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said that although he did not support the idea of Texas independence, he understood why some people believed it was in the state’s best interests.

"If the Democrats end the filibuster, if they fundamentally destroy the country. If they pack the Supreme Court, if they make D.C. a state, if they federalize elections, if they massively expand voter fraud, there may come a point where it's hopeless," Cruz told a student at a Texas A&M appearance.

The Texas Nationalist Movement's website claims more than 427,000 Texans support its work to "make Texas an independent nation again."

Texas declared independence from Mexico in 1836 and spent nine years as its own nation before becoming a U.S. state. Texas then seceded from the Union in 1861 before being readmitted in 1870 following the end of the Civil War.

[Graybeard]

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/texas-secession-independence-kyle-biedermann/2020/12/10/id/1001022/

By Charlie McCarthy    |   Thursday, 10 December 2020 09:55 PM EST

A Texas state representative plans to file legislation he hopes leads to secession from the United States.

Rep. Kyle Biedermann, R-Fredericksburg, said he will take action to secure a referendum on giving Texans the right to choose between remaining a state or becoming an independent nation.

Biedermann wrote in a statement posted on Facebook this week:

"The federal government is out of control and does not represent the values of Texans. That is why I am committing to file legislation this session that will allow a referendum to give Texans a vote for the State of Texas to reassert its status as an independent nation."

Biedermann said his bill will focus on Article 1 Section 2 of the Texas Constitution, which reads:

"All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient. #Texit"

The hashtag Texit is a play off the Brexit movement to get Britain to secede from the European Union.

Texas, which became a state in 1845, actually seceded in 1861 when it joined the Confederate States of America. It was fully readmitted into the Union following the Civil War in 1870.

There have been groups, such as the Texas Nationalists Movement, that have supported secession. Hundreds of secession motions previously have been presented to the Texas Legislature, which will reconvene Jan. 12.

[Dee]

Well,  your last 2 articles are 2, and 4 years old, respectively, but it is talked about down here. If it were put to a statewide vote, I wouldn't bet against secession.
I find it laughable (and always have) that people today accept the government version of the Civil  War, but are indignant of what the government is trying to feed them now.  I guess it all depends on the flavor of the kool-aid served on what these minions believe.

It was about federal government abuse towards states then, and its about federal government abuse towards states now. Common sense dictates that by sequences of events that slavery was a "sidebar" until 1863. The killing of Americans in the South wasn't selling very well, when the actual end goal was federal government seizure of private lands, and assets. A good cause makes it look more righteous.

Texas is pretty much the reddist state in the crumbling Union, and the feds intend to kill it.

[wtxbadger]

Over 20 states have stated their support over Abbott's stand against what has been happening at the border. On the other hand Abbott is a card carrying member of the World Economic Forum and had plenty of time(years) to take the stand that he has now, so it makes me curious why now? His shipping illegals to sanctuary cities was brilliant and the reactions from them has been priceless as it brings a fraction of what Texas has put up with to their cities. Been studying on this and it makes me wonder if he backed himself into a corner and with elections coming up he can't gracefully back down from.

In the meantime even with the SCOTUS ruling against Texas there has yet to be orders to the border patrol to start taking down the barriers Texas installed. There was a good article from the American Thinker on this and the consensus drawn from different sources was that the Border Patrol is on the verge of rebellion against Washington from the sheer frustration of not being able to do their jobs and enforce the laws they were sworn to do. Their leadership have said that when they receive an order to remove the barriers they will do so but no such order/orders have been issued. It's fairly obvious that Biden doesn't have a clue on what's going on and his handlers are in a conundrum on how to proceed considering the amount of criticism they are getting from their own party leaders.

On secession there are a lot of complexities involved that need to be carefully considered and planned for in advance. The end of the civil war supposedly ended/codified that it was not an option going forward for states to secede but Texas has an out that other states don't have and that is to split itself up to five individual states and at that time the individual states would then have to decide whether to petition the federal government for admittance into the union or be independent countries.

Just my thoughts on it.

[guzzijohn]

So how is this going to go over when Texas loses over 68 billion in various federal aid, no longer has social security, medicare or medicaid, has to develop it's own military, giant brain drain, etc.?
GuzziJohn

[Dee]

He absolutely has gone to 2 meetings, but I can't find anything saying he joined WEF.

[wtxbadger]

That's a good point Dee, I have heard and read that he was a member of the WEF. Doing some looking this evening and I can't find any references whether he is or isn't. On the other hand obtaining a complete list of individuals who are members seems elusive as well. I'll keep doing some digging and see what I find.

[magooch]

Wouldn't it be simpler and better for the USA in general to just get rid of the Brandon administration by whatever means necessary?  That way the whole country would be spared further suffering under the stupid Democraptic dirge.

[nw_hunter]

So how is this going to go over when Texas loses over 68 billion in various federal aid, no longer has social security, medicare or medicaid, has to develop it's own military, giant brain drain, etc.?
GuzziJohn

So how would Washington DC survive when 25 or so states just quit sending money, and kept all revenue in the state?
The States also have their own Army and Airforce. Plus the federal forces are made up of people from every state of the union. How many do you think might just return to their home states, to protect it's state and others from a tyrannical Government?

Thing is, something has to give. The socialists in our Republic have brought us to third world status. Are you good with that? Would  you be ok with being a card carrying communist? It would appear that Texas and other freedom loving states are not.

[Dee]

So how is this going to go over when Texas loses over 68 billion in various federal aid, no longer has social security, medicare or medicaid, has to develop it's own military, giant brain drain, etc.?
GuzziJohn

Your such a stupid sob. Texas gets a score of 38 in dependency vs what  Texas pays in. New Mexico on the otherhand,  gets a 100, as your state gets far more than it pays in. 

[gypsyman]

So how is this going to go over when Texas loses over 68 billion in various federal aid, no longer has social security, medicare or medicaid, has to develop it's own military, giant brain drain, etc.?
GuzziJohn

Your such a stupid sob. Texas gets a score of 38 in dependency vs what  Texas pays in. New Mexico on the otherhand,  gets a 100, as your state gets far more than it pays in.    Just made that point on Greybeards post. How much money has this open border cost Texas? And if they secede, how much will they keep, not sending any to the fed's? Ohio repealed the helmet law, and they threatened to withhold highway funds to the state. Gov. Rhodes said ok, we just wont send any highway funds in. They found out, our state sent in more than we were getting back. Never heard from them after that!

[DDZ]

Flordia sending troops to Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu0dLajTfLs

[DDZ]

So how is this going to go over when Texas loses over 68 billion in various federal aid, no longer has social security, medicare or medicaid, has to develop it's own military, giant brain drain, etc.?
GuzziJohn

Your such a stupid sob. Texas gets a score of 38 in dependency vs what  Texas pays in. New Mexico on the otherhand,  gets a 100, as your state gets far more than it pays in. 

LOL, New Mexico is top 4 in states getting federal payments per capita.  So yeah its a welfare state.

[Ranger99]

Nobody acknowledges it, but if the
federal gubmint would have enforced
the national border like they're supposed
to, and prevented illegal incursions
across the nation's border, none of
this would be an issue.
Many criticize Gov Abbott and Gov
Desantis for distributing the border
jumpers around to places far from
the southern border,  but so many
apathetic people had their thumbs
way up their a$$es, it took drastic
measures to bring attention to a
national problem that the 4 southern
border states were having to deal
with, only to have the feds screw up
any progress that was made.
This state has tried to halt border
invasion at the expense of the state's
taxpaying citizens, and it's not
going to stand. Border jumpers are
the problem of all of the nation's
citizens, and everybody needs to
take a stand.
I've posted on assorted topics here
before, and I  guess the time is here.
Fence sitting and gawking from the
sidelines is all but over with.
Time to set your beer down and turn
the big screen off and stop riding the
train. Stop enabling and making
excuses