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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2024, 06:02:45 AM »
4 months later and there still Americans and i could go back on this forum and find the same nonsense 10 years ago in posts and ten years from now someone will post the same bs.
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2024, 07:57:10 AM »
It is legal for a state to divide and become two states.  Last time it was done was West Virginia.  I always said if upstate New York, Southern Illinois, Eastern Oregon, Northern California and maybe Eastern Washington would vote to leave their states and become separate states, they could.  It would give more conservative senators to the senate.
It's only sort of legal. Article IV Section III of the Constitution says “new States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

So it would take the state legislature as well as Congress voting to allow it. We all know how likely that would be.
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2024, 12:01:40 PM »
Only the states can reform the Republic. The Feds are too corrupt to change from within. Someone has to start........Who better than Texas?
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2024, 06:00:55 AM »
Texas and the 25 or so states who agree with TX would only have to withhold the revenue it gives annually to the Fed, and enforce the Constitution, that grants most of the power to the states anyway. Let the rest of the country become all Liberal and re-populated. My roots are south east of the Rockies anyway. It won't be a big problem for me to move back to the Sweet Sunny South. Let the rest of the nation become the Divided States of America, or just become part of Canada, if they so choose.

   Wouldn't that in itself, be secession !   I believe that was tried once before..not all that simple...or sanitary...
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2024, 08:59:50 AM »
when the lib /conservative ratio is so close in Every state including TX and the rich not willing to sacrifice a dime or for sure pick up a gun to change things it will remain just chest beating bs like its been on here for 25 years. in that time it hasnt even inched closer to reality. all it would take to stop is massive import tariffs on anything crossing the border. open up drilling across the country and they take away the only cards texas has. that being oil. the 40 some percent libs in texas would give you your own civil war and the rest of the country would just sit back and reap the spoils. i even wonder how many here that talk the talk even had the nuts to serve in the military and were willing to put there life on the line. kind of reminds me of rednecks with rebel flags on there pickups and a south will rise again t-shirt. only thing the young are willing to fight for todat is homosexuality, abortions and legal pot and the sad thing is those are liberals
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2024, 09:26:09 AM »
4 months later and there still Americans and i could go back on this forum and find the same nonsense 10 years ago in posts and ten years from now someone will post the same bs.
Wasn't 2 weeks ago, maybe a little longer. Not sure it will go any where, but counties on the eastern side of Washington state and Oregon wanted to separate, and join Idaho. Basically, land on the eastern side of the Cascade range. The conservative ranchers and farmers were tired of supporting Portland and Seattle.
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2024, 11:10:51 PM »
but its just more talk. dont get me wrong im not against this or even texas. heck the UP of MI has been threatening to break from detroit and lancing and become part of WI since i was a little kid. we arent even connected by land to lower MI. but its just talk as it has been for 50 years. what i see as the only chance for these dreamers is if biden wins again and it throws everything into a turmoil. but then he will call it Inserection and use the military and cutting off all government aid if needed to stop it. just think in texas if they left the union and all social security and government pensions were stopped. now states merging would have a better chance then succession but in all reality its just dreamers
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2024, 02:20:12 AM »
  Yes..we have had the same movements going for decades and tey get nowhere...at least so far.  It likely takes a vote of congress to do anything like that...but we all know the Dem/Commies will fight that like crazy..

   THey couldn't care less about the people..they want the power..
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2024, 02:24:19 PM »
As a Texan now I see the importance of the coming elections both federal and state wide. These commie loving people moving here by the droves are trying to change our ways of life. Abbott can only do so much to fight off the hypocrisy we are challenged with. I can only say one thing, if Texas falls to this crooked type then the US is lost as a whole.

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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2024, 11:33:37 PM »
theyve been there for many years. just ask LBJ'S family.
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2024, 01:11:27 AM »
All the southern states had to sign an agreement that they would not ever secede again.  So, my thoughts are, get a bunch of conservative states together and say "WE are the United States of America and WE are gonna govern by the US Constitution."  Then we vote to kick out all the commie liberal states.

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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2024, 06:28:06 AM »
nice dream but now back to reality ;)
All the southern states had to sign an agreement that they would not ever secede again.  So, my thoughts are, get a bunch of conservative states together and say "WE are the United States of America and WE are gonna govern by the US Constitution."  Then we vote to kick out all the commie liberal states.
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2024, 08:03:21 AM »
All the southern states had to sign an agreement that they would not ever secede again.  So, my thoughts are, get a bunch of conservative states together and say "WE are the United States of America and WE are gonna govern by the US Constitution."  Then we vote to kick out all the commie liberal states.

   ..A good thought, but here we approach the same old misunderstanding. People will be people..left, right, those who would rather hunt than golf..those who prefer Mozart and Chopin over rock or rap.

  Some prefer dogs over cats and keeping sheep over keeping cattle.    ..And people inhabiting these states..(land masses) are just as diverse
   as they can possibly be.  State borders were drawn almost arbitrarily..perhaps following rivers, forests or mountains.  Some border with straight line borders...seem to have been finished by the stroke of a pen.

   A much more accurate map,, rather than being drawn by existing state lines, would be a cultural map pf the USA.  Some states can barely agree
     with themselves., simply because they are in no way a homogeneous population.

  In my view, the best way would be to take the entire US red/blue map and divide it that way..and it would likely work best for the RED politics.

  Here's a cultural map, showing the parts where (by color code), the bulk of the population would be in agreement.  Then there is the red vs blue map by counties.. 
   But, 'lots of luck'... with accomplishing either move !
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2024, 11:56:22 PM »
bottom line is right there in your red blue map. the libs run the big and because of it citys and can control an election or even stop a secession. texas would first have to fight a civil war amongst themselves before they could get the backing to sucede and like i said what percentage of texans are willing to die for independence. id guess the percentage is in single digits. that and your going against the constitution you come here every day defending. you cant be like the libs and pick and choose what you want and toss out what you dont or your no better than them and that about insures your eventual failure   
All the southern states had to sign an agreement that they would not ever secede again.  So, my thoughts are, get a bunch of conservative states together and say "WE are the United States of America and WE are gonna govern by the US Constitution."  Then we vote to kick out all the commie liberal states.

   ..A good thought, but0 here we approach the same old misunderstanding. People will be people..left, right, those who would rather hunt than golf..those who prefer Mozart and Chopin over rock or rap.

  Some prefer dogs over cats and keeping sheep over keeping cattle.    ..And people inhabiting these states..(land masses) are just as diverse
   as they can possibly be.  State borders were drawn almost arbitrarily..perhaps following rivers, forests or mountains.  Some border with straight line borders...seem to have been finished by the stroke of a pen.

   A much more accurate map,, rather than being drawn by existing state lines, would be a cultural map pf the USA.  Some states can barely agree
     with themselves., simply because they are in no way a homogeneous population.

  In my view, the best way would be to take the entire US red/blue map and divide it that way..and it would likely work best for the RED politics.

  Here's a cultural map, showing the parts where (by color code), the bulk of the population would be in agreement.  Then there is the red vs blue map by counties.. 
   But, 'lots of luck'... with accomplishing either move !
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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2024, 08:17:32 AM »
bottom line is right there in your red blue map. the libs run the big and because of it citys and can control an election or even stop a secession. texas would first have to fight a civil war amongst themselves before they could get the backing to sucede and like i said what percentage of texans are willing to die for independence. id guess the percentage is in single digits. that and your going against the constitution you come here every day defending. you cant be like the libs and pick and choose what you want and toss out what you dont or your no better than them and that about insures your eventual failure   
All the southern states had to sign an agreement that they would not ever secede again.  So, my thoughts are, get a bunch of conservative states together and say "WE are the United States of America and WE are gonna govern by the US Constitution."  Then we vote to kick out all the commie liberal states.

   ..A good thought, but0 here we approach the same old misunderstanding. People will be people..left, right, those who would rather hunt than golf..those who prefer Mozart and Chopin over rock or rap.

  Some prefer dogs over cats and keeping sheep over keeping cattle.    ..And people inhabiting these states..(land masses) are just as diverse
   as they can possibly be.  State borders were drawn almost arbitrarily..perhaps following rivers, forests or mountains.  Some border with straight line borders...seem to have been finished by the stroke of a pen.

   A much more accurate map,, rather than being drawn by existing state lines, would be a cultural map pf the USA.  Some states can barely agree
     with themselves., simply because they are in no way a homogeneous population.

  In my view, the best way would be to take the entire US red/blue map and divide it that way..and it would likely work best for the RED politics.

  Here's a cultural map, showing the parts where (by color code), the bulk of the population would be in agreement.  Then there is the red vs blue map by counties.. 
   But, 'lots of luck'... with accomplishing either move !


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Re: Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2024, 11:37:20 PM »
problem is it no longer is a few men in a room trying to build a free country. our government today has the most powerfull military in the world and an untold number of federal police and agencies and corrupt leaders that wouldnt hesitate to kill you . it would be like taking a dull stick into a gun fight where there's tanks and fighter jets. youd have to get at least half the country to come together so fast that they wouldnt realize it was happening and thats impossible. hell pal they're probably reading this. they would send in police and military to stop it before it even started and kill or imprison anyone involved. if you doubt it look at  jan 6 and they were even armed
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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2024, 01:34:28 AM »
  Perhaps then, this is the answer for this time in history.;

       
"37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."   (Matt 24:37-39)

  ..And... "44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
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« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2024, 08:05:30 AM »
problem is it no longer is a few men in a room trying to build a free country. our government today has the most powerfull military in the world and an untold number of federal police and agencies and corrupt leaders that wouldnt hesitate to kill you . it would be like taking a dull stick into a gun fight where there's tanks and fighter jets. youd have to get at least half the country to come together so fast that they wouldnt realize it was happening and thats impossible. hell pal they're probably reading this. they would send in police and military to stop it before it even started and kill or imprison anyone involved. if you doubt it look at  jan 6 and they were even armed


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« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2024, 08:26:14 AM »
ya but they didnt have a country with 50 percent liberal fags that are only brave enough to kill unborn babies. go down your street and count the people that would actually be willing to die for the cause. i look down my road and 5 other  homes are on it. out of the 5 the only one id trust to have my back is an ex marine but he just found out he has terminal cancer. one home is an old widow one is a couple in their 80s and the other owned a pot store in town and from what i heard is he was so lazy he wouldnt go to work and his employees ran it into the ground. the wife and I, the marine and his wife (alcoholic) the widow and the old couple are all counted as conservative but id be on my own and hell im 68 and have more metal in me than a tank. i think that is probably most of America except with a shitpile more liberals. WHO"S going to fight this war? Welfare trash? College kids? guys still living with mommy? billy bob down at the tavern?  Most of those with balls are already in the military and the ones youll face. take the talkers that wont walk out of it and you are left with a group of old men like you and me.
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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2024, 09:27:09 AM »
ya but they didnt have a country with 50 percent liberal fags that are only brave enough to kill unborn babies. go down your street and count the people that would actually be willing to die for the cause. i look down my road and 5 other  homes are on it. out of the 5 the only one id trust to have my back is an ex marine but he just found out he has terminal cancer. one home is an old widow one is a couple in their 80s and the other owned a pot store in town and from what i heard is he was so lazy he wouldnt go to work and his employees ran it into the ground. the wife and I, the marine and his wife (alcoholic) the widow and the old couple are all counted as conservative but id be on my own and hell im 68 and have more metal in me than a tank. i think that is probably most of America except with a shitpile more liberals. WHO"S going to fight this war? Welfare trash? College kids? guys still living with mommy? billy bob down at the tavern?  Most of those with balls are already in the military and the ones youll face. take the talkers that wont walk out of it and you are left with a group of old men like you and me.


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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2024, 11:30:20 PM »
and the government knows it. next 10 years in this country and this world will be scary times. wife was all excited the other day that her son and his wife were pregnant. she got mad at me because she thought i would be excited and told her they were nuts to bring a kid into this crazy world
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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2024, 01:30:32 AM »
If she took the jab they may not...

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« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2024, 02:18:15 AM »
believe it or not theyre from CA and are anti vax. he dropped out of college there because they mandated vaccination. me? i took the first 3 and am no worse for it. no covid, no side effects. not even a sniffle. my wife did the same and she works at admitting for the ER at our local hospital and checked in MANY with it and didnt get it or pass it to me. was it luck of the draw? or was it because of the shot? dont know and cant prove it either way. just know that many of my friends and family that didnt got it and i dont know a single person myself that got vaccinated and still got covid. not saying some did and still got it but in my own personal life i havent seen it or a problem caused by the shot. but i do know people that got real sick and a couple with long term problems because of covid and even 2 that died. none got the shot. so im not pro or anti. what i am against is forcing people to get it that dont want it. especially when they force american and let the disease ridden illegals in and wont make them. but this has nothing to do with the topic
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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2024, 02:51:33 AM »
Glad she did not take it. I on the other hand know of adverse effects... Even close family. One side effect of the jab is miscarriage among many side effects.

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« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2024, 03:29:02 AM »
dont know but do this search   are there miscarriges caused by the covid vaxs  and tell me what it says
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« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2024, 04:46:42 AM »
dont know but do this search   are there miscarriges caused by the covid vaxs  and tell me what it says

I have already read miles of info on it and know for a fact that it is 100 times easier to get the govt supplied propaganda over anything else...

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« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2024, 04:56:14 AM »
i guess then the government controls every web page and doctor on the internet. do that search and you will find nothing to back up your claim. maybe find something on some conspiracy theory web page. but i doubt if your going to find any real indisputable research. but then ive been wrong before
dont know but do this search   are there miscarriges caused by the covid vaxs  and tell me what it says

I have already read miles of info on it and know for a fact that it is 100 times easier to get the govt supplied propaganda over anything else...
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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2024, 05:29:56 AM »
The govt has plenty of other people’s money to spend to make sure their preferred view is at the top of the list on search engines along with main stream news which also pushes their narratives. Just saying...

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« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2024, 06:00:39 AM »
where do you get your scientific opinions and stats from?
The govt has plenty of other people’s money to spend to make sure their preferred view is at the top of the list on search engines along with main stream news which also pushes their narratives. Just saying...
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« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2024, 07:04:01 AM »
where do you get your scientific opinions and stats from?
The govt has plenty of other people’s money to spend to make sure their preferred view is at the top of the list on search engines along with main stream news which also pushes their narratives. Just saying...

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