Texas Seceding From US Could Cost State Billions

[Graybeard]

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Texas seceding from the U.S. could mean billions lost in transportation funding from the federal government, reported Newsweek.

Rumors about a Texas split from the union ramped up recently following an order from Gov. Greg Abbott for the Texas National Guard to protect the U.S.-Mexico border with barbed wire despite a ruling by the Supreme Court that federal Border Patrol agents could remove the wire and other barriers in place.

President Joe Biden in November 2021 signed a bipartisan $1 trillion infrastructure deal into law, with approximately $12.6 billion announced for transportation — to invest in roads, bridges, public transit, ports, airports and clean water — in Texas, according to the White House.

All of that funding could be gone if Texas secedes, according to Newsweek.

"Leaving the union would cause an immediate and massive black hole to open up in the Texas state budget," Nicholas B. Creel, a business law professor at Georgia College & State University, told Newsweek.

"If Texas were to try to secede despite the fact that it is unconstitutional, it's safe to say we'd be headed straight for a civil war," he added. "As such, there is next to no way the federal government would send any money to the state itself."

[gypsyman]

 Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

[Tommyt]

If  that happens I would send them money monthly this illegal nonsense ,has gotta stop

I don’t think I’m alone

[Lloyd Smale]

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

[scattershot]

  Could work. The arguMent that the feds would withhold funds would be offset by the fact that Texas would keep their own money.

[Dee]

Texas pays billions more than it gets back from the federal government. Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana on our northern, and eastern borders are good neighbors and might choose to join us. New Mexico? Sparsely populated, poor as a church  mouse, federal aid  dependent, and harmless.

[Bob Riebe]

In the extremely unlikely event Texas left; the U.S. would not pull it military bases but in all likely hood, sign an agreement just like they have with every other country that has a U.S. base.

Can states legally secede from the United States?

Some have argued for secession as a constitutional right and others as from a natural right of revolution. In Texas v. White (1869), the Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional, while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.

It is only slightly easier for Province to leave Canada.

[Casull]

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

Nice rant, but pensions and social security don't disappear in that case.  Just think of all the retirees that have left the US.

[Lloyd Smale]

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

Nice rant, but pensions and social security don't disappear in that case.  Just think of all the retirees that have left the US.

what are you all waiting for. if it made economic sense or sense in any category and if the people in texas wanted it why didnt it happen 20 years ago. ive been on here that long and the same guys have been crying this tune since the first days of this forum and all ive seen is talking the talk. if you think the feds will cooperate with it then your more gullible then even i thought. ill make anyone here a bet. my 500 against your 50 the texas will be a state and the same people will be crying 5 years from today. if i was younger id make it 20 years

[Dee]

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Texas seceding from the U.S. could mean billions lost in transportation funding from the federal government, reported Newsweek.

Rumors about a Texas split from the union ramped up recently following an order from Gov. Greg Abbott for the Texas National Guard to protect the U.S.-Mexico border with barbed wire despite a ruling by the Supreme Court that federal Border Patrol agents could remove the wire and other barriers in place.

President Joe Biden in November 2021 signed a bipartisan $1 trillion infrastructure deal into law, with approximately $12.6 billion announced for transportation — to invest in roads, bridges, public transit, ports, airports and clean water — in Texas, according to the White House.

All of that funding could be gone if Texas secedes, according to Newsweek.

"Leaving the union would cause an immediate and massive black hole to open up in the Texas state budget," Nicholas B. Creel, a business law professor at Georgia College & State University, told Newsweek.

"If Texas were to try to secede despite the fact that it is unconstitutional, it's safe to say we'd be headed straight for a civil war," he added. "As such, there is next to no way the federal government would send any money to the state itself."

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

Nice rant, but pensions and social security don't disappear in that case.  Just think of all the retirees that have left the US.

what are you all waiting for. if it made economic sense or sense in any category and if the people in texas wanted it why didnt it happen 20 years ago. ive been on here that long and the same guys have been crying this tune since the first days of this forum and all ive seen is talking the talk. if you think the feds will cooperate with it then your more gullible then even i thought. ill make anyone here a bet. my 500 against your 50 the texas will be a state and the same people will be crying 5 years from today. if i was younger id make it 20 years

Gosh Bill. I didn't realize that you were crying when you started this thread. You ok?

[Graybeard]

Naw I'm so sad to see you guys go. Boo hoo.

[Casull]

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

Nice rant, but pensions and social security don't disappear in that case.  Just think of all the retirees that have left the US.

what are you all waiting for. if it made economic sense or sense in any category and if the people in texas wanted it why didnt it happen 20 years ago. ive been on here that long and the same guys have been crying this tune since the first days of this forum and all ive seen is talking the talk. if you think the feds will cooperate with it then your more gullible then even i thought. ill make anyone here a bet. my 500 against your 50 the texas will be a state and the same people will be crying 5 years from today. if i was younger id make it 20 years

Nice reply to what I DIDN'T say.  The reason they haven't done it already is because like 163 years ago, the US would wage an illegal war on them.  And then write up it that it was because Texas wanted to make slaves of the illegals or some such nonsense.

[Lloyd Smale]

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

[Lloyd Smale]

sorry pot stirrer but bills post is of an opinion that agrees with mine. sometimes i think your so stupid that you can bs bill. he knows it sure as crap wasnt aimed at him cupcake

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Texas seceding from the U.S. could mean billions lost in transportation funding from the federal government, reported Newsweek.

Rumors about a Texas split from the union ramped up recently following an order from Gov. Greg Abbott for the Texas National Guard to protect the U.S.-Mexico border with barbed wire despite a ruling by the Supreme Court that federal Border Patrol agents could remove the wire and other barriers in place.

President Joe Biden in November 2021 signed a bipartisan $1 trillion infrastructure deal into law, with approximately $12.6 billion announced for transportation — to invest in roads, bridges, public transit, ports, airports and clean water — in Texas, according to the White House.

All of that funding could be gone if Texas secedes, according to Newsweek.

"Leaving the union would cause an immediate and massive black hole to open up in the Texas state budget," Nicholas B. Creel, a business law professor at Georgia College & State University, told Newsweek.

"If Texas were to try to secede despite the fact that it is unconstitutional, it's safe to say we'd be headed straight for a civil war," he added. "As such, there is next to no way the federal government would send any money to the state itself."

if they did it they would have 2 borders to deal with and guns added to the southern border. even if the goverment threw there hands up and said let them go and pulled all the troops and ALL military hardware out and left abandoned bases. took away all the federal pensions and social security. then stopped all trade with them and protection, in a year theyd be part of mexico. would even be a challenge for mexico. they have an army. all that would be left in texico would be 40 percent liberals 58 percent people that talk the talk but would never walk the walk and maybe a couple cowboys with 3030s. maybe even a couple with an ar15. my guess is mexico would walk in without any soldier needing more than one mag. then they would have to eat crow begging to get back in the union. crap i would even doubt china and russia would fund that mexican invasion. some of them say they hold all the cards because they have oil. well ill say this. get a president willing to open up oil everywhere and we wouldnt need their oil and the fact the do have it is the very reason russia china and mexico would love to have it. just a matter of figuring out what language they will be speaking in 20 years. you think other states will join them? even the most red state is 40 percent blue. then add again all those pensions and social security lost and the military pulling out and id bet exactly ZERO would join. All i can say is Удачи and agacharse. like ive said in other posts other then abbot texans havent lifted a finger to stop this. those same people some actually believe will defend it as a country in a war with no army navy or airforce. give me a break

Any figures on how much the open borders have cost Texas? And, if Texas did secede, how much would they keep not having to send the federal government any tax revenue? Fed's tried that here in Ohio in the mid 70's, when we repealed the helmet law. They threatened to hold our highway tax's they would send us. Our governor at that time, said fine, we just wont send you any of the money we collect for them to you. They backed off when it was found out, we sent them more money than we were getting back. Case closed!

Nice rant, but pensions and social security don't disappear in that case.  Just think of all the retirees that have left the US.

what are you all waiting for. if it made economic sense or sense in any category and if the people in texas wanted it why didnt it happen 20 years ago. ive been on here that long and the same guys have been crying this tune since the first days of this forum and all ive seen is talking the talk. if you think the feds will cooperate with it then your more gullible then even i thought. ill make anyone here a bet. my 500 against your 50 the texas will be a state and the same people will be crying 5 years from today. if i was younger id make it 20 years

Gosh Bill. I didn't realize that you were crying when you started this thread. You ok?

[Dee]

and the 10 year old girl is posting her little pinup cartoons. now go back and try to hide behind bill . by the way im not the one who took the name dee dee. i put my own name on everything i say. i dont hide behind a girls name and get characters to post out of a coloring book. maybe threaten to ignore me for another hour. that REALLY HURTS by the way it was you as usual that made this a personal attack.

Calm down Lloydeen. Bill will be back soon. Here, a peice offering. Have a banana. 

[Dixie-Dude]

All the Federal taxes would disappear along with so called Federal benefits.  So, Texas could just add more gasoline tax to replace the federal gasoline tax, etc.  At least at the state level it would have less bureaucracy and waste, not eliminated completely, but far less.  For instance several year ago the Feds took in $400 billion in gasoline tax which was supposed to be used for highways and bridges.  However only $200 billion got back to the states.  The rest was wasted in bureaucracy and/or used for "other" projects.  Also WIC money.  It costs the bureaucracy $1 million to give one poor woman with children $100 a month in WIC money.  You have the federal bureaucracy (Welfare department in Washington DC to have to pay for), state offices, then county offices, and finally cut a check for the mother.  Federal programs don't solve problems, they create them.   

[Casull]

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

Point me to the law or constitutional provision that says it's illegal.

[Lloyd Smale]

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

Point me to the law or constitutional provision that says it's illegal.

[Casull]

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

Ok, so no written law or constitutional provision, just as I thought.  What we have is a SCOTUS opinion that creates, without a constitutional provision, a rule that the states that joined together lawfully cannot disjoin lawfully.  Kind of like the right to abortion, "separate but equal", etc.  Some of which have been overturned.


Point me to the law or constitutional provision that says it's illegal.

[Lloyd Smale]

read the article its there in black and white. anyone that can read will see it. maybe do some research yourself. stiil waiting on that bet. we can make it more interesting my 1000 bucks against your 200. you talk the talk just fine but when shtf we saw how texans walk the walk. 20 some years weve had to listen to this secession tantrum on here and its not one bit closer and not one person on here has lifted a finger to get it done. pretty obvious the INTELEGENT people in texas know that its illegal and that even if they broke the law theyd never make it alone anyway. there is one senerio that might get you your secession. every day more mexican come in. i could see a day soon the the majoity in your country are mexican and the take control and work out a deal with mexico to give texas back to who it was taken from. thats the only possible sucession you will ever see. the glory days of texas have gone. its now the snakepit of the country and i guess i can see why you texans are so defensive. you go ahead and get the last word now because fact will never change your mind..

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

Ok, so no written law or constitutional provision, just as I thought.  What we have is a SCOTUS opinion that creates, without a constitutional provision, a rule that the states that joined together lawfully cannot disjoin lawfully.  Kind of like the right to abortion, "separate but equal", etc.  Some of which have been overturned.


Point me to the law or constitutional provision that says it's illegal.

[Casull]

read the article its there in black and white. anyone that can read will see it. maybe do some research yourself. stiil waiting on that bet. we can make it more interesting my 1000 bucks against your 200. you talk the talk just fine but when shtf we saw how texans walk the walk. 20 some years weve had to listen to this secession tantrum on here and its not one bit closer and not one person on here has lifted a finger to get it done. pretty obvious the INTELEGENT people in texas know that its illegal and that even if they broke the law theyd never make it alone anyway. there is one senerio that might get you your secession. every day more mexican come in. i could see a day soon the the majoity in your country are mexican and the take control and work out a deal with mexico to give texas back to who it was taken from. thats the only possible sucession you will ever see. the glory days of texas have gone. its now the snakepit of the country and i guess i can see why you texans are so defensive. you go ahead and get the last word now because fact will never change your mind..

it is illegal to leave the union and texas signed on to that. so in fact action taken against them if they did would be legal. my guess though is the real people of texas will honor the agreement their forefathers made. what will be left is a few winey old cogers on the internet that talk the talk (and have for years) and couldnt walk the walk or would even if they still could. like i said ive heard this for over 20 years by the same people here and those people like it or not will die americans because unlike what they think, texas isnt special. its just a state. subject to the same rules we all are. a state just like any state that has a bunch more liberals then cowboys. difference between the percentage of liberals there compared to the most blue state is single digit. its a joke to think they could get a majority vote to succeed. i figured id have at least 2 takers on my bet by now

Ok, so no written law or constitutional provision, just as I thought.  What we have is a SCOTUS opinion that creates, without a constitutional provision, a rule that the states that joined together lawfully cannot disjoin lawfully.  Kind of like the right to abortion, "separate but equal", etc.  Some of which have been overturned.


Point me to the law or constitutional provision that says it's illegal.

I read the article and responded appropriately.  Did you read it?

[ironglow]

  For any single state to secede, it would face an enormous challenge...with taxes, tariffs, shipping ertc.. Several states may be possible, but even then,
  they would need to be contiguous.  Even then it would be a hard, long row to hoe...

  For an inland state without ocean shipping access, that would be task of a Sisyphusian undertaking.

[Lloyd Smale]

have they gone yet

[ironglow]

  "Texas pays billions more than it gets back from the federal government."

  I don't know about Texas, so i assume Dee is correct what he  said .

    In any case it brought to mind how, when the subject of kicking NY City and environs out of NY State, or the state leaving NY City, they come up
   with the same claim concerning that city.

   I rather doubt THEIR claims, but in either case, most of us in the upstate portions of the state would stiil be willing to make up the difference.

[nw_hunter]

Texas and the 25 or so states who agree with TX would only have to withhold the revenue it gives annually to the Fed, and enforce the Constitution, that grants most of the power to the states anyway. Let the rest of the country become all Liberal and re-populated. My roots are south east of the Rockies anyway. It won't be a big problem for me to move back to the Sweet Sunny South. Let the rest of the nation become the Divided States of America, or just become part of Canada, if they so choose.

[Graybeard]

If Texas were a country rather than a state it would have I think I've read the 5th largest economy in the world. Here ya go straight off Google:


The $2.4 trillion Texas economy is now the eighth-largest economy among the nations of the world, larger than Russia, Canada, Italy and more. Texas is the top state for Fortune 500 headquarters, now at 55. Texas is the 2023 State of the Year for the best-in-nation business climate and job growth.

[Casull]

If Texas were a country rather than a state it would have I think I've read the 5th largest economy in the world. Here ya go straight off Google:


The $2.4 trillion Texas economy is now the eighth-largest economy among the nations of the world, larger than Russia, Canada, Italy and more. Texas is the top state for Fortune 500 headquarters, now at 55. Texas is the 2023 State of the Year for the best-in-nation business climate and job growth.

Surely that can't be right.  Because those countries are surviving and our resident expert says Texas would immediately fail.

[Lloyd Smale]

looked today. its still a state. we get the same crap up here with people wanting the UP to be its own state so we dont have to deal with whitmers detroit politics  its been talked about since i was a little kid and here we are. talk is just that. ill believe it when i see action. up here we call it beer talk.

[Dixie-Dude]

It is legal for a state to divide and become two states.  Last time it was done was West Virginia.  I always said if upstate New York, Southern Illinois, Eastern Oregon, Northern California and maybe Eastern Washington would vote to leave their states and become separate states, they could.  It would give more conservative senators to the senate. 

[ironglow]

It is legal for a state to divide and become two states.  Last time it was done was West Virginia.  I always said if upstate New York, Southern Illinois, Eastern Oregon, Northern California and maybe Eastern Washington would vote to leave their states and become separate states, they could.  It would give more conservative senators to the senate.

  " It would give more conservative senators to the senate. "

      Exactly why sadly, we stand little chance of accomplishing these hoped-for moves !  Upstate NY, eastern Washington and Oregonsouthern Illionois
     and several other states would like to do the same !

   ...But keep in mind, the commies in our country are already trying to destroy the electoral college..taking away any voting power from vast areas of the country.

   The state lines, as I pointed out, are arbitrary.  These lines were drawn either by stroke of a pen, or along a river, lake or mountain range,
   and do  not reflecting the sentiments of said populations.

  Below, see the "cultural" map of the US, which much more adequately, reflects the real culture of the various areas..  A great video to study, which explains much about the various sectors of our nation..

    Just a 13 minute video, buit agreat store of knowledge to put away...especially if you are planning a move or extended vacation.  One can
   with  the map, find an area which is more sympatico with their own beliefs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9qJ2JD-vH0