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Offline ironglow

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Is this a tragedy ..being compounded?
« on: May 16, 2024, 03:22:18 AM »
  Airman shot in Okaloosa county, FL..
 
   A sad situation indeed, that a young airman should die so suddenly. ..but it seems at least to me, that the situation is being used to create another
   George Floyd incident.
   What do you think.. is it being being pumped for contentious reasons?  This article says the deputy went to the wrong apartment and burst in,
     surprising the occupant..and apparently is claiming that is why he was armed.

    https://www.10tv.com/article/news/nation-world/florida-deputies-who-fatally-shot-us-airman-wrong-apartment/507-3fec4e9f-230c-4929-93cc-836c47787795

  Meanwhile, the body cam doesn't at least in my view, show the deputy to be "bursting in" to that apartment.  Which causes me to wonder just how
   accurate that whole report is.

  As for myself, if a someone knocks upon my door, identifying themself as "sheriff's department"..and I answer the knock with gun in hand....I'm
  taking a big chance...    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pILp1yQBijc
   
 
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Re: Is this na tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2024, 04:21:03 AM »
Saw the vid....yes, the deputy announced himself, BUT.....I also noticed he stepped out of view of the peephole.  Now, just how is the resident supposed to confirm that it's a human biped, actually dressed in an LEO's costume, and is probably a real deputy?  ANYBODY can pound on my door and claim to be a cop.......that doesn't make it true.
The deputy did NOT "barge" into the apartment.....the door was opened by the resident.  The resident DID have a firearm in his hand, but not raised or pointed at the deputy.  So........was this a bad move on the resident's part?.....I think not, but was quite prudent from a self-survival viewpoint, considering the deputy attempting to hide his visual identity.  What little is shown from the bodycam vid appears that the resident was NOT being aggressive, but that deputy sure got aggressive, real quick, and over-reacted badly.

Just my 2-pence.....Roger

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Re: Is this na tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2024, 05:51:17 AM »
  You have some good points, Roger..  I didn't notice trhat the deputy stepped away from the line of vision.  ...But then again, if i am the deputy and
   hear some suspicious sounds coming from inside, i may well step away from a direct  line of fire that may come through the door.

  I suppose if I were the occupant, In would have been wary, especially if for some reason ..I expected hostiles at my door..but I don't expect people
  with dangerous intentions to be at my door..

  If that is the case, it would be easier to understand the airman's caution, but still, answering the deputy's call with gun in hand, seems like an
  unnecessarily risky procedure.

  True, he didn't have the gun raised, but how quickly can one raise a gun to shoot, keeping in mind the inherent dangers of answering "domestic" calls

  in any case, some are trying to make a "racial" thing of it, when it seems obvious to me at least, that it is a terrible accident.

  I cannot believe that the deputy went there, intending to kill somebody, since even beyond the social repercussione, he would have to face
    possibly losing his job as well as his freedom.....for a long time..
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Re: Is this na tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2024, 02:39:41 AM »
  You have some good points, Roger..  I didn't notice trhat the deputy stepped away from the line of vision.  ...But then again, if i am the deputy and
   hear some suspicious sounds coming from inside, i may well step away from a direct  line of fire that may come through the door.

Yep, and they're trained to do exactly that.  If a perp is going to fire on an LEO at the door, they're going to fire through the door, not the wall to either side.  They're also, (most likely), trained to be suspicious of every sound on the opposing side of a closed door.

  I suppose if I were the occupant, In would have been wary, especially if for some reason ..I expected hostiles at my door..but I don't expect people
  with dangerous intentions to be at my door..

  If that is the case, it would be easier to understand the airman's caution, but still, answering the deputy's call with gun in hand, seems like an
  unnecessarily risky procedure.

What we don't know is the crime rate(s) of the area, or the apartment complex itself.)  If this was the only place that airmen could afford, it could be a risky place to live, and thus his caution was well-intentioned.  But in the deputy's defense, the airmen could have simply not opened the door, or talked through it to establish a few facts.

  True, he didn't have the gun raised, but how quickly can one raise a gun to shoot, keeping in mind the inherent dangers of answering "domestic" calls

I'll concede your point, but it seems fair to assume that he didn't attempt to raise the weapon at all.  I also saw his left hand was away from the doorknob, and was splayed out in what I interpreted as a benign, de-escalating gesture. (You ony get about a 1/2-second to see it, due to cropping of the video.) The deputy had to un-holster, then raise his in order to take the shot, and he didn't stop with a double or triple-tap.....no, he fired five rounds. Seems to me to be obvious over-reaction on his part.
I can tell you this.....in the army guard, every time I got some handgun training, it was triple-tap......2 to the body, and the third to the head after a short hesitation.  The idea was that if the target wasn't on it's way down after 2, body armor was involved and #3 finished the task at hand.  (But then, that's armed combat on a national scale.)

  in any case, some are trying to make a "racial" thing of it, when it seems obvious to me at least, that it is a terrible accident.

  I cannot believe that the deputy went there, intending to kill somebody, since even beyond the social repercussione, he would have to face
    possibly losing his job as well as his freedom.....for a long time..

Not suggesting he did go with a deadly intent, only saying he over-reacted.  (I'll leave the racial thing alone, being as that's akin to beating a dead horse.)

BUT.....we can armchair this until the sun burns out, so I guess we've said about all that we can, until more facts come to the surface.

Roger

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Re: Is this a tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2024, 03:23:48 PM »
  True, we can armchair it for a long time, but of course..we are short of some pertinent information. 

   An unrelated thought;
   It has been a long time since I served, but then it was advantageous economy wise, for unmarried enlisted troops to stay in the billets,
  rather than pay a rent or lease somewhere in town.  Are other arrangements common place now?
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Re: Is this a tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2024, 03:04:48 AM »
I can only speak to my Navy days, from '87 to '91, on North Island air station.  I stayed in the barracks, as I'm quite a practical person, and even then, small apartments were EXPENSIVE.  (Upwards of $700-1000/month for an "efficiency") The barracks were, at that time, quite full, if not completely full, and it was relatively common practice for the squadrons to allow their enlisted to rent out in town, to alleviate the barracks filling up.  It wasn't unheard of for three people from the same squadron to rent a 3-bedroom and split the costs.
There were also allowances for such a thing, to include housing and meals, being as one did have to actually support a household, so it could have been financially advantageous to team up on an apartment.
I suppose it gave them an increased sense of privacy, being as the barracks, of course, had open bay showers and restrooms, a single set of washers and dryers, and few single rooms that were reserved for the higher ranks of enlisted.  I finally got a single for the last 8 months of my hitch after I made E-5.

Just something to chew on while you "enjoy" memories of your military days.

Roger

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Re: Is this a tragedy ..being compounded?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2024, 03:09:18 AM »
I can only speak to my Navy days, from '87 to '91, on North Island air station.  I stayed in the barracks, as I'm quite a practical person, and even then, small apartments were EXPENSIVE.  (Upwards of $700-1000/month for an "efficiency") The barracks were, at that time, quite full, if not completely full, and it was relatively common practice for the squadrons to allow their enlisted to rent out in town, to alleviate the barracks filling up.  It wasn't unheard of for three people from the same squadron to rent a 3-bedroom and split the costs.
There were also allowances for such a thing, to include housing and meals, being as one did have to actually support a household, so it could have been financially advantageous to team up on an apartment.
I suppose it gave them an increased sense of privacy, being as the barracks, of course, had open bay showers and restrooms, a single set of washers and dryers, and few single rooms that were reserved for the higher ranks of enlisted.  I finally got a single for the last 8 months of my hitch after I made E-5.

  Thanks for the info...being an "old soldier", I am a bit dated on sime of the later developments..

Just something to chew on while you "enjoy" memories of your military days.

Roger
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