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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2024, 06:40:59 AM »
Bill: you are the only person who has taken the time to ask what my political views are. More often than not members Jump to conclusions that are based upon what others have decided is true. I have been accused of being a commie…..despite the fact that I have, through the years, been consistently and strongly critical of communism (it just does not work, has never worked and anyone who espouses it is a fool.
I don’t like being in debt personally and see no reason why the country should go further into debt. In today’s world as intertwined as it is it may be impossible to avoid. I have no solution for that. I very much doubt that tariffs are the answer. Tariffs raise prices
The border should be closed. No mas.
Guns…i own 75 firearms. I am an officer in an old rod and gun club based in Brooklyn, NY. I have an expert rating from the NRA in the sport of Bullseye pistol.
I am a licensed pilot.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2024, 01:59:57 PM »
The leftist socialists in this country never saw any problem with this. Its the number of votes cast over the last 6 presidential elections.

2004- 121,069,054
2008- 129,446,839
2012- 126,849,299
2016- 128,832.342
2020- 155,507,476
2024- 129,347,671

Just more vindication for the stolen election in 2020. The stupid liberals would have been done with Trump if they hadn't stolen the election in 2020. Now they got four more years of him, and a very potential four years of Vance.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2024, 02:26:07 PM »
Bill: you are the only person who has taken the time to ask what my political views are. More often than not members Jump to conclusions that are based upon what others have decided is true. I have been accused of being a commie…..despite the fact that I have, through the years, been consistently and strongly critical of communism (it just does not work, has never worked and anyone who espouses it is a fool.
I don’t like being in debt personally and see no reason why the country should go further into debt. In today’s world as intertwined as it is it may be impossible to avoid. I have no solution for that. I very much doubt that tariffs are the answer. Tariffs raise prices
The border should be closed. No mas.
Guns…i own 75 firearms. I am an officer in an old rod and gun club based in Brooklyn, NY. I have an expert rating from the NRA in the sport of Bullseye pistol.
I am a licensed pilot.
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LOL! So owning 75 firearms makes you a conservative?  There are a lot of liberals in this country that own firearms. They think that more gun laws will make bad guys behave. As for the expert rating from the NRA. Lots of gun owners don't give to that corrupt organization anymore.   You could start by telling us how you voted. I know you are not a fan of Trump, you have indicated that in the past. Even in your above post you chose one of Trumps ideas, and claimed it won't work. So what should we do? Keep letting China, and other countries make everything we buy? Just take medications for example. A large majority are made over seas. Mainly China, and India. The U.S. production of all medications is just 10% of what is used in this country. Just think if China ever quit making our antibiotics for us?     
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2024, 05:48:56 PM »
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Yes please a bit more. On the scale of Republican, independent, democrat or other where would you say you fall?

I've admitted I'm independent tho in Alabama we do not have to register our affiliation which is none in my case. I do lean more to the Republican than democrat side of things but definitely am not a republican.


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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2024, 11:29:49 PM »
Bill: i have always considered myself an independent. Both the republican party and the democrats are too radical for me.
DDZ: i never claimed that owning firearms made me a conservative.

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2024, 01:42:27 AM »

DDZ: i never claimed that owning firearms made me a conservative.

Yeah well, Bill specifically asked you what your political views are, and thats what you came up with. Plus the NRA label of a expert bullseye shooter, and a pilot. So you obviously thought that explained your political views somehow. Just another of your many deflections. Of course again you failed to say who you voted for. I can name who everyone on this forum voted for, but you certainly are the black sheep.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2024, 02:16:58 AM »
Bill: i have always considered myself an independent. Both the republican party and the democrats are too radical for me.

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  I know most here have little use for Rino, deep state Republicans, which as I said, have kept me out of the Republican ranks.  however, since your
  statement above can only conceiveably be addressed to the truly conservative Republicans, it leaves me to wonder in what way you see the
  conservative Republicans as "too radical."

   Since I consider for instance, Republicans as Ted Cruz, D Trump, JD Vance, Tom Cotton, Elise Stefanic, John Kennedy, Kristi Noem and Trey
   Gowdy as just about right, it does leave me wondering just what you see as too radical in them.

  You can choose to answer or not answer  Help me out, just curious as to what I am missing
   
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2024, 03:16:36 AM »
DDZ: you are correct. Those things do not tell you anything about my politics.
My bad. They do tell you a bit about me. 
Who did I vote for? I cast my ballot for the loser; does that make me a liberal. I cast my ballot because I knew it would make no difference. I wanted to vote but could not bring myself to vote for Trump (for reasons that I have detailed at length elsewhere n this forum.)
Political philosophy? I don’t have a definable, cohesive, philosophy. Certainly not like many members of this forum who are easily pigeonholed, no thinking involved. Do not take that to mean that they are not intelligent. Far from it. They tend to be well informed. The no thinking idea is that you know what to expect
From them.! Then same thing Everytime,

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2024, 04:33:53 AM »
DDZ: you are correct. Those things do not tell you anything about my politics.
My bad. They do tell you a bit about me. 
Who did I vote for? I cast my ballot for the loser; does that make me a liberal. I cast my ballot because I knew it would make no difference. I wanted to vote but could not bring myself to vote for Trump (for reasons that I have detailed at length elsewhere n this forum.)
Political philosophy? I don’t have a definable, cohesive, philosophy. Certainly not like many members of this forum who are easily pigeonholed, no thinking involved. Do not take that to mean that they are not intelligent. Far from it. They tend to be well informed. The no thinking idea is that you know what to expect
From them.! Then same thing Everytime,
         Well the babbling sure appears (at least for me) what a typical Left leaning liberal would say. But then what do I know? I guess to each their own.

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2024, 05:08:43 AM »
It does soud left leaning..but that is for DG to say..

  So far as voting for Commie-La ...saying there was no concern, since she could not win.  That sounds a bit specious, since most of us including the candidates involved, were not completely confident of a win or loss up until the voting was over and counted.

  Some folks refused to vote for Trump because of accusations lodged against him..  OK, so no doubt he has sinned..so have I and every other living
  human on earth.

  ..But to vote for Kamala instead, suggests that she is without sin ! does anyone really believe that ?
  So, to my mind, the sin issue is a draw, so we must return to the REAL reason we should vote for one or the other..the issues and how thay deal with them.

  For me, since we are a constitutional republic..in order to preserve and protect this nation..we must adhere to the founding documents of this
   country..the Derclaration of independence, the Constitution..more specifically, the Bill of Rights.

  Frankly, I see no relationship between how Trump deals with these documents and how the Democrats have been handling them.

  Indeed, as I have told certain people in my extended family that I vote as a Christian, veteran and constitutionalist, in that order... Thus, I have
   only one choice  between the two..  Where can have I gone wrong?
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2024, 06:13:22 AM »
My take on the election is that Anyone who voted Harris is a full blown lefty liberal or a complete idiot.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2024, 06:15:28 AM »
To cast a vote for socialism with an excuse like “ I knew it would make no difference “ is an invalid argument and untrue IMO.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2024, 06:34:29 AM »
Mule: Thanks. Your opinion is much appreciated.

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2024, 07:23:53 AM »
Gun owner or not...ANYONE who voted for the people that are actively working to harm My way of life is my Enemy...
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2024, 08:36:25 AM »
This is the internet.  We seldom know one another away from here.
So I can say that I own 75 guns, I'm a licensed pilot, I'm a NRA instructor, blah, blah, blah.
If you cast a vote for a democrat, you are voting in favor of removing GOD from the party platform, you are voting in favor of mutilating little children, you are voting to force tax payers to pay for transgender surgery/medicine,you are voting for paying reparations to people who were never slaves out of my pocket, you are voting to allow government thugs to enter your home home to check your guns, you are voting for the green new deal which would soon force working people to ride bicycles to work.

There's a lot more, but you get the point.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2024, 01:14:57 PM »
I know several people who would/did not vote for Trump because they simply have disdain for his personality.
They did not vote for Harris , whom they viewed with equal disdain.

A LOT, huge lot, of people do not pay much attention to the particualars of politics and what is does to this county, state or country.
But they vote on personality alone.

Calling them Communitst, shows few really know what Communism is; what the Democratic Party is represented now is far, far closer ro Fascism than Communism.
In the past , there were several times, not for president, I voted for some one other than the Republican as I found him repugnent.
Pretty much same feces, different pile.

What happened the past eight years was a gift from God, for which conservatives should drop to their knees and thank God for profusely as it exposed what Washington and 98 percent of the persons working there had become.
Wlth out this, this country would have continued on a down hill trend with most of the populaiton ignorant or apathetic.

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2024, 01:14:10 AM »
his wishy washy deflections kind of like a bisexual claiming hes not gay, just in between ::) or harris always deflecting real questions by saying she grew up in a middle class home and worked at mcdonalds. here middle class neighborhood sure would be considered middle class here and the mcdonalds thing was a lie the left excused. my opinion is at least in this election and likely in the future because the beliefs are so different between partys, thai its pick one or the other. even when it comes to senate and house and even local stuff. because its been proven that a president without control of the house and senate from here on out is going to be a wasted 4 years as the other party will block everything he trys and even go as low as the democrats and try to put him in jail. even if you throw the economy and border out of your decision, the way the democrats weaponized the justice system should send shivers down your back and keep you from ever voting democrat. Imo that was the biggest thing that swung this country to the right this election. if you have an iq of over 50. saw them go after trump UNCHECKED and still even thought of maybe voting democratic your one dumb sob and youll get no slack from me. DDZ, even if he told us he voted for trump would you believe him or rack it up to being a typical lying democrat. there is only 2 boxes on that ballot.  no middle ground vote you can hide behind

DDZ: i never claimed that owning firearms made me a conservative.

Yeah well, Bill specifically asked you what your political views are, and thats what you came up with. Plus the NRA label of a expert bullseye shooter, and a pilot. So you obviously thought that explained your political views somehow. Just another of your many deflections. Of course again you failed to say who you voted for. I can name who everyone on this forum voted for, but you certainly are the black sheep.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2024, 01:15:14 AM »
my post summed up in a single sentence.
My take on the election is that Anyone who voted Harris is a full blown lefty liberal or a complete idiot.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2024, 02:36:14 AM »
I know several people who would/did not vote for Trump because they simply have disdain for his personality.
They did not vote for Harris , whom they viewed with equal disdain.

A LOT, huge lot, of people do not pay much attention to the particualars of politics and what is does to this county, state or country.
But they vote on personality alone.

Calling them Communitst, shows few really know what Communism is; what the Democratic Party is represented now is far, far closer ro Fascism than Communism.
In the past , there were several times, not for president, I voted for some one other than the Republican as I found him repugnent.
Pretty much same feces, different pile.

What happened the past eight years was a gift from God, for which conservatives should drop to their knees and thank God for profusely as it exposed what Washington and 98 percent of the persons working there had become.
Wlth out this, this country would have continued on a down hill trend with most of the populaiton ignorant or apathetic.

  In the final analysis, there is little difference between Fascism and Communism.  Fascism starts out with a forceful, dictatorial elite, right at trhe "get go" !

 As you so aptly stated.. "same feces, different pile"...

  Communism starts out, selling itself as "by and for the peoople"..but always ends up being run by a forceful, dictatorial elite.. e.g. Soviets, N Korea, Pol Pot, Cuba and Venezuela.

  Manyb of us regularly quote the Bible, simply because we see it as a repository of fundamental truths....

  People such as Kamala and AOC and other democrats are continually quoting Karl Marx... I suppose for the following reasons..

  Eric Weinstein, mathemetician, economist and all around powerful intellect, who is often called upon for public lectures...explains:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDX5q30V_-E

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2024, 04:48:34 AM »
DDZ, even if he told us he voted for trump would you believe him or rack it up to being a typical lying democrat. there is only 2 boxes on that ballot.  no middle ground vote you can hide behind

DDZ: i never claimed that owning firearms made me a conservative.

Yeah well, Bill specifically asked you what your political views are, and thats what you came up with. Plus the NRA label of a expert bullseye shooter, and a pilot. So you obviously thought that explained your political views somehow. Just another of your many deflections. Of course again you failed to say who you voted for. I can name who everyone on this forum voted for, but you certainly are the black sheep.

No Lloyd, if he would have said he voted for Trump. I would not have believed him. Like you, I have been reading his posts for the last 15 years, and from that, knew he was not a conservative. I knew he did not vote for Trump, because he hates Trump. I just wasn't sure if he voted for Kamala, or someone that had a snowballs chance in hell of winning. At least he came forth and said he voted for Kamala. Now everyone that wasn't sure of his beliefs, knows the truth. Not that its an oddity that he supported her, because there are many that has hatred for Trump. Its an oddity that he is a supporter of her, and other democrats, and is part of this forum.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2024, 06:34:00 AM »
From IG,  In the final analysis, there is little difference between Fascism and Communism.

I've been to a communist country (cuba) and that's where the democrats would love to lead us.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2024, 06:59:11 AM »
even my wife cant stand trumps personality. think they hate that he shoots from the hit and tells it like it is. i think part of it comes from having a husband that is just like him ;) but that said she said she doesnt vote for personality she votes for policy and it wouldnt have matter who ran as a republican she would have voted for him. her big thing is she believes in GOD and is very much against abortion!! she cares about the economy but honestly it sucks to pay more but its not like we are hurting like some. the border is important to her but those problems really havent reached here and come winter like the tourists from the south they cant get out of here fast enough. but she realizes this effects every american.

 Its kind of comical. when i married her she was 40 and had never even registered to vote. now even when im not in front of the tv in the daytime she has fox news on and is constantly coming home pissed off over some wacky liberal thing she found on her phone. so tumps unpolished statement are easily overlooked by her because she KNOWS HES THE BEST HOPE FOR AMERICA and this was the most important election of probably every person on here's life. so even if doest see there is only black and white this election and clearly only one choise its why many long time democrats voted for trump this time. Even minorities that never vote republican.

So if hes on this forum and is even a tiny bit wishy washy hes in the wrong place. bottom line is if you voted for harris or any senator or rep. that would take power from the republican party your no better than nancy, summer, bernie or aoc. hell nancy probably even helped us with her and obamas illegal coup to take power from biden. it boggles my mind that the democrats rolled over and let them do it. it took all the leftys in the house and senate to tuck thier heads up their a$$es and let it happen. That it happened and the democratic voters let just showed how far this country has tipped toward socialism!!! My way of thinking says its IMPOSSIBLE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. We had an election that you basically voted for either socialism or democracy. 
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2024, 07:48:52 AM »
even my wife cant stand trumps personality. think they hate that he shoots from the hit and tells it like it is. i think part of it comes from having a husband that is just like him ;) but that said she said she doesnt vote for personality she votes for policy and it wouldnt have matter who ran as a republican she would have voted for him. her big thing is she believes in GOD and is very much against abortion!! she cares about the economy but honestly it sucks to pay more but its not like we are hurting like some. the border is important to her but those problems really havent reached here and come winter like the tourists from the south they cant get out of here fast enough. but she realizes this effects every american.

 Its kind of comical. when i married her she was 40 and had never even registered to vote. now even when im not in front of the tv in the daytime she has fox news on and is constantly coming home pissed off over some wacky liberal thing she found on her phone. so tumps unpolished statement are easily overlooked by her because she KNOWS HES THE BEST HOPE FOR AMERICA and this was the most important election of probably every person on here's life. so even if doest see there is only black and white this election and clearly only one choise its why many long time democrats voted for trump this time. Even minorities that never vote republican.

So if hes on this forum and is even a tiny bit wishy washy hes in the wrong place. bottom line is if you voted for harris or any senator or rep. that would take power from the republican party your no better than nancy, summer, bernie or aoc. hell nancy probably even helped us with her and obamas illegal coup to take power from biden. it boggles my mind that the democrats rolled over and let them do it. it took all the leftys in the house and senate to tuck thier heads up their a$$es and let it happen. That it happened and the democratic voters let just showed how far this country has tipped toward socialism!!! My way of thinking says its IMPOSSIBLE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. We had an election that you basically voted for either socialism or democracy.


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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2024, 08:28:59 AM »
A vote for Kamala was a vote for continued open borders, which has and will bring many problems, including child trafficking, drugs, crime, and diseases. Let alone the terrorists, and members of the CCP that crossed.  Continued wars, and money sent to Ukraine. Continued attack on the 2nd amendment, and want for gun confiscation. Which Kamala said she wanted to make mandatory gun buy backs.  Continued rising crime, Continued weaponizing the DOJ, FBI, and justice system. Continued suppression of religious liberty. Continuing making children subject to gender care. Continued suppression of free speech, dissent, and political opposition.  Continued inflation, and higher costs of energy, and food. Continuing the dismantling of our armed forces, and turning them woke. Continuation of murdering children with late term abortions.
Kamala would have been another puppet for the America hating deep state, just as Biden is. She never received a vote in the primary, yet she was placed by the establishment to put their puppet in the highest office. She had risen from San Francisco to California state politics due to giving her mentors favors. Then she pledged to continue Biden's catastrophic policies that were destroying America.
Mel Gibson hit the nail on the head when he said Kamala has a miserable record, no policies to speak of, and an IQ of a fence post. On the other hand we have trump with his life of achievements, sacrifice, bravery, and hard work. All because he loves America. 
This is what Kamala voters voted for. In fact they voted for the continuing of the destruction of America, and turning it into a 3rd world country.  If there is any argument against that. I'd certainly like to hear it. 

Then there is Trump who could have resigned due to the never ending witch hunts, the attempts to end his life, and attempts to ruin him financially. Tried to get him removed from the ballot in 32 states. But He didn't give up, after suffering two assassination attempts, four bogus indictments, a raid on his property, and a long list of insults, and hoaxes. The reason he didn't quit is because he is a true patriot, who is appalled by the anarchy of the establishment. Basically he loves America, and whats what is best for all Americans, and this nation.
He had the shock and fear of a high velocity bullet missing his skull by a fraction of an inch. It would cause most people to shudder , hide in panic, and retreat behind closed doors. Yet trump emerged from the shield of the secret service personal, and urged his supporters to fight with a clenched fist in the air. People were amazed that he didn't seem psychogically affected by this near death experience. This fearlessness is impossible to fake. Only brave warriors like Trump look death in the eye, and not even blink.
If the reason to not vote for him was because of his narcissistic character then you are weak minded, and ignorant.  His character is what makes him a true warrior, and patriot, that has any chance to lead us out of the mess this country has become.
God has shown mercy on this country by saving Trumps life, and placing him as president. We still have to pray that his life will be protected. I believe good things are going to come to this country again with him as our president.   
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2024, 08:57:51 AM »
Very well said DDZ.
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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2024, 11:24:45 AM »
even my wife cant stand trumps personality. think they hate that he shoots from the hit and tells it like it is. i think part of it comes from having a husband that is just like him ;) but that said she said she doesnt vote for personality she votes for policy and it wouldnt have matter who ran as a republican she would have voted for him. her big thing is she believes in GOD and is very much against abortion!! she cares about the economy but honestly it sucks to pay more but its not like we are hurting like some. the border is important to her but those problems really havent reached here and come winter like the tourists from the south they cant get out of here fast enough. but she realizes this effects every american.

 Its kind of comical. when i married her she was 40 and had never even registered to vote. now even when im not in front of the tv in the daytime she has fox news on and is constantly coming home pissed off over some wacky liberal thing she found on her phone. so tumps unpolished statement are easily overlooked by her because she KNOWS HES THE BEST HOPE FOR AMERICA and this was the most important election of probably every person on here's life. so even if doest see there is only black and white this election and clearly only one choise its why many long time democrats voted for trump this time. Even minorities that never vote republican.

So if hes on this forum and is even a tiny bit wishy washy hes in the wrong place. bottom line is if you voted for harris or any senator or rep. that would take power from the republican party your no better than nancy, summer, bernie or aoc. hell nancy probably even helped us with her and obamas illegal coup to take power from biden. it boggles my mind that the democrats rolled over and let them do it. it took all the leftys in the house and senate to tuck thier heads up their a$$es and let it happen. That it happened and the democratic voters let just showed how far this country has tipped toward socialism!!! My way of thinking says its IMPOSSIBLE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. We had an election that you basically voted for either socialism or democracy.


True Democracies have always failed.
 We are a Constitutional Republic. We have representative's that we elect to represent us. Politicians love to call us a Democracy. You seldom ever hear any of them refer to us as a Republic. I voted for someone who  I think respects the Republic. D.J.T. Harris supports a Democracy. A Leftist type Democracy.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic ( Not Democracy)for which it stands, one Nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

We have danced to this tune before. Democrats call the USA a democracy and it is one of the worst forms of government. God bless the Republic...

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2024, 06:18:06 AM »
word salad guys! keep in mind that china and our most liberal state california call themselves republics. this is what a republic is. without democracy there cant be a republic and vise versa

"Today most countries are true republics, meaning that the people choose their leaders. These republics practice a form of democracy. A democracy is any government in which the people have a say. The United States, Mexico, India, France, Kenya, South Korea, Peru, and Indonesia are only a few of the world’s many true republics."
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« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2024, 07:02:17 AM »
“A Republic, if you can keep it”
You can call a turd a snickers bar if ya like, I’m not consuming it.

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2024, 09:10:57 AM »
“A Republic, if you can keep it”
You can call a turd a snickers bar if ya like, I’m not consuming it.

For example, Iraq is poised to lower the legal age of consent from 18 to 9 years old whose party are called “conservative” ? Is this what you identify with as a conservative?

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Re: Question for Guzzi or other lefties..
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2024, 03:17:53 AM »
  When China and other tyrannical forms of government call themselves a "Republic", that is just using (misusing) words to disguise a dictatorship.
   
  Republic simply means using elected leaders to represent the wishes of their constituents.  The word (French.. republique) obviously derived from .. 
   rep..representative and public.

  That easily explains the representative part.

  The original democracies (Greek) were a direct vote by each member of the city state .    Demokratia  = demos..people       kratia = rule .

  Pure democracies, such as the Athenian or Iroquois nation pattern called for all decisions involving the nation, be voted on by each eligible citizen.

   E.g., suppose Texans want to build a new highway between Lubbock and Brownfield..they would have to call out all eligible voters to decide..

   Or, perhaps Virginia wanted to build new dorms on the campus at Charlottsville..must they call out all voters to decide?

    That is pure democracy, a rather cumbersome method..especially in the 21st century.

  Yes, some have carelessly described representative government as a "democracy", but why not cut to the chase and call it what it truly is,
  a CONST9ITUTIONAL REPUBLIC !

  The left wants to avoid calling it a Constitutional Republic...primarily because they abhor the Constitution !
 
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)