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Biden adminestration escalating war
« on: November 18, 2024, 06:33:58 AM »
Supposedly Biden gave Ukraine the go ahead to U.S. supplied long range missiles to launch targets in Russia. This would involve the use of U.S. tocology and satellites, with personal giving them coordinates for targets. It isn't like just giving them the missiles and saying here you go. We would be much involved with the use of them in Russia. I also don't believe Biden made this decision. Its the same deep state people that got him in elected in the first place to use him to do their will, and Biden is even more a puppet now then before. They want to start WW III before Trump gets into office. What happens when North Korea troops that are in Russia start being killed by these missiles? What will Putin do?   
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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2024, 06:40:02 AM »
Supposedly Biden gave Ukraine the go ahead to U.S. supplied long range missiles to launch targets in Russia. This would involve the use of U.S. tocology and satellites, with personal giving them coordinates for targets. It isn't like just giving them the missiles and saying here you go. We would be much involved with the use of them in Russia. I also don't believe Biden made this decision. Its the same deep state people that got him in elected in the first place to use him to do their will, and Biden is even more a puppet now then before. They want to start WW III before Trump gets into office. What happens when North Korea troops that are in Russia start being killed by these missiles? What will Putin do?   
Spot On !! Best thing Trump can do at this point, call Putin, which he might have already done, and try to slow things down. Biden is at the point, I don't think he has the mentality to know what the consequences of what he just did. And, if any of the politicians, D's or R's that are any kind of American at all, should step up and flag this ASAP.
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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2024, 08:48:22 AM »
I have been following a couple of channels on YouTube regarding the Ukraine war. It is largely the Ukrainian perspective, but it shows some pretty startling things. The Ukraine military has been employing consumer and military drones fitted with munitions, grenades and artillery type warheads to target Russian vehicles. Tanks, APCs and rocket launchers, and individual foot soldiers. I looks like the Russians are getting clobbered in some areas. There is some redundant footage, but wow, the Ukrainians are getting their licks in! There is usually a narrative with the videos, and a few narrators have given the opinions that Putin is pushing hard for territory before the anticipated Trump ceasefire. But they are using terms like "staggering Russian losses". By all accounts, the NKorean troops are useless. The Russian soldiers captured are claiming that the wounded are left for days and weeks without evac, and they were sent into a "meat  grinder". I realize that the coverage is somewhat biased, but must have some substance to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWvsrz_4b_Y

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2024, 01:07:39 PM »
That Russia is getting hit far, far harder than Putin ever expected is being sain on many different new sources.
That the Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition is also mentioned on the sources.

That Russian citizens, are becoming more than a little upset with Putins  no war, war, is also being mentioned on multiple sites.
The Ukraine could never win a war fought only on the side of the border is why they are now heavily attacking sites inside Russia; those strike inside Russia cannot be hidden from Russian citizens because they see it happening first hand.
Odds are as the body cound adds up, Putins regime (of which memebers are dying inside Russia) will eventually fall one way or another.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2024, 01:58:44 PM »
That Russia is getting hit far, far harder than Putin ever expected is being sain on many different new sources.
That the Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition is also mentioned on the sources.

That Russian citizens, are becoming more than a little upset with Putins  no war, war, is also being mentioned on multiple sites.
The Ukraine could never win a war fought only on the side of the border is why they are now heavily attacking sites inside Russia; those strike inside Russia cannot be hidden from Russian citizens because they see it happening first hand.
Odds are as the body cound adds up, Putins regime (of which memebers are dying inside Russia) will eventually fall one way or another.

So are you for US long range missiles given to Ukraine, and supported by the US military, being launched into Russia?
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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2024, 02:01:58 PM »
There are a lot of globalists that think there should be no free America. They are pushing for a one world government where we own nothing and are subject to that world government. Anyone that thinks Biden has been making the decisions that have been destroying America, is delusional.  Listen to what this congressman is saying.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuIUMCTletc

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2024, 03:24:03 PM »
That Russia is getting hit far, far harder than Putin ever expected is being sain on many different new sources.
That the Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition is also mentioned on the sources.

That Russian citizens, are becoming more than a little upset with Putins  no war, war, is also being mentioned on multiple sites.
The Ukraine could never win a war fought only on the side of the border is why they are now heavily attacking sites inside Russia; those strike inside Russia cannot be hidden from Russian citizens because they see it happening first hand.
Odds are as the body cound adds up, Putins regime (of which memebers are dying inside Russia) will eventually fall one way or another.

So are you for US long range missiles given to Ukraine, and supported by the US military, being launched into Russia?
Does not bother me at all.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2024, 10:12:39 PM »
its a war that russia started and they have no rules of engagement so neither should Ukraine. what i dont like is biden trying to change rules this late in his game. makes me wonder if hes just stirring a hornets nest making trumps job harder. at the very least he should have had the class to respect  the new president enough to sit down and make these decisions with him. its almost like he wants to dump ww3 in trumps lap so he has no time to change liberal policys and make major changes to the bureaucracy's the democrats use to protect themselves. that and if he brings us right on the edge of ww3 and the real crap hitting the fan doesnt start till trumps in office they can blame him in 28 for being the president that started ww3. we all know it really isnt biden making these decisions. it the powerful democrats that are going down for the third time and have nothing to loose
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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2024, 11:25:10 PM »
This sort of says it all:


https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/barack-obama-was-right-to-be-wary-of-joe-bidens-ability-to-f-k-things-up/


And you are very right about the democrats trying to mess up everything that Donald Trump is trying to untangle so that they can point backwards in time and try to claim it was "all Trump's fault". Their trump derangement syndrome goes to the very core of their marrow and they have nothing else on which to form policy or to stand.

Democratic Credibility Is in the toilet. Continuing to discuss their missinformation continues to drive their narrative. It is difficult not to watch, But ostracism and turning our back on their Narrative is the correct path forward. Without an audience or any discussion about their narrative they have no voice.

Silence is golden.

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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 02:35:35 AM »
That Russia is getting hit far, far harder than Putin ever expected is being sain on many different new sources.
That the Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition is also mentioned on the sources.

That Russian citizens, are becoming more than a little upset with Putins  no war, war, is also being mentioned on multiple sites.
The Ukraine could never win a war fought only on the side of the border is why they are now heavily attacking sites inside Russia; those strike inside Russia cannot be hidden from Russian citizens because they see it happening first hand.
Odds are as the body cound adds up, Putins regime (of which memebers are dying inside Russia) will eventually fall one way or another.

So are you for US long range missiles given to Ukraine, and supported by the US military, being launched into Russia?
Does not bother me at all.


Ukraine can not use the long range missiles without direct involvement from the U.S. Being so it would be an act of war from us against Russia. So you are okay with the U.S. going to war with Russia? All over somehow saving a country run by a dictator.   Trump ran on the fact that he was going to end the war between Russia and Ukraine. Or is it that you hate Trump enough that you have no issue with us going to war so to hinder Tumps plan of ending the war? 
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 07:38:50 AM »
It is The Ukraines military, the blah, blah that it is the U.S. going to war is BS just like the BS talking points that Harris and the liberal new media puked out for month.

Their country, their war; WWIII is paranoia being spewed out for political reasons, nothing more.

I would be far more concerned about Taiwan and China.

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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 08:17:55 AM »
putin cant handle Ukraine let alone start a war with us. Its china that is our major concern. without china russia, korea and iran are nothing. Putin isnt going to take a dump without an ok from china.
It is The Ukraines military, the blah, blah that it is the U.S. going to war is BS just like the BS talking points that Harris and the liberal new media puked out for month.

Their country, their war; WWIII is paranoia being spewed out for political reasons, nothing more.

I would be far more concerned about Taiwan and China.
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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 01:37:12 PM »
Russia I believe has more nukes then us, butt, as long as we have experts on the subject here saying it’s nothing to worry about I can sleep better tonight...

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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 02:53:22 PM »
Russia I believe has more nukes then us, butt, as long as we have experts on the subject here saying it’s nothing to worry about I can sleep better tonight...

Thats right Russia has lots of nukes. It is ludicrous to call his bluff when Putin says that use of long range missiles supplied by NATO countries is an act of war, and nukes will be considered. Dan Bonginio even said this is a major development.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/11/biden_s_authorizing_ukraine_to_fire_long_range_missiles_smells_like_a_preemptive_military_coup.html

Biden’s authorizing Ukraine to fire long-range missiles smells like a preemptive military coup
By Jerome R. Corsi
Biden’s surprise decision on Sunday, November 17, 2024, to authorize Ukraine to utilize long-range U.S. missiles capable of reaching 186 miles into Russia requires explanation. (As of this writing, Ukraine has already fired a missile into Russia.) Does the U.S. military believe that allowing Ukraine to fire a few U.S.-manufactured Army Tactical Missile systems (“ATACMS”) into Russia will win the war for Ukraine? Or is Biden’s decision evidence that the United States is in a military coup d’etat aimed at escalating the war in Ukraine so Donald Trump will not be able to settle the war should he manage to be inaugurated in approximately two months, on January 20, 2025?


Biden made this decision despite Russian President Vladimir Putin’s explicit warning that he would consider Russia at war with the United States and NATO if the White House lifted restrictions on Ukraine’s use of long-range Western weapons. Putin has also made clear that a decision to allow Ukraine to use long-range missile systems such as ATACMS could trigger a nuclear response from Russia. In making the decision, Biden ignored President-Elect Donald Trump’s repeated statements that once inaugurated, he intends to negotiate a settlement with Putin to end the war in Ukraine.

When Biden’s decision was announced, Putin immediately called a meeting with Sergei Shoigu (former Russian Defense Minister who heads the Russian Security Council), Andrey Belousov (Russia’s current Defense Minister), and Nikolai Patrushev (an intelligence officer who served as the secretary of the Security Council)—all three close and trusted Putin allies. The meeting rejected an option that Russia should launch a preemptive strike on Ukraine rather than wait for Ukraine to hit Russia with a barrage of missiles.

Still, Putin made clear that weapons like ATACMS require intelligence data from U.S. or European satellites while stressing that Ukrainian troops lack the training needed to operate high-precision, long-range, Western-made weapons. “This is not a decision about allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not,” he said. “It is about deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in a military conflict or not. If this decision is made, it will mean nothing other than the direct participation of NATO countries—the United States and the EU—in the war in Ukraine.”

So, the question is why Biden, in his final days as president, took steps that could lead the United States into a thermo-nuclear WWIII?

In 2020, the U.S. military command made its bias clear: groups such as Black Lives Matter and Antifa had legitimate First Amendment “protest rights” that justified military insubordination should President Trump choose to invoke the Insurrection Act to quell pre-election domestic violence.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, Secretary of Defense Dr. Mark T. Esper went to the department’s press room to deliver a statement that revealed a memo he had sent to all DOD personnel the day before. The memo announced that Esper was unwilling to deploy the military at President Trump’s order because he felt he had a duty under oath to defend the Constitution and the American people’s First Amendment rights of speech and peaceful assembly.

Next, General James Mattis echoed Esper’s words. Mattis is the retired United States Marine Corps general who served as U.S. Secretary of Defense from January 2017 to 2019, when he disagreed with President Trump over Trump’s decision to withdraw troops from Syria. In a written statement published in the Atlantic on June 3, 2020, Mattis objected to Trump’s suggestion that he was considering invoking the Insurrection Act.  “Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society,” Mattis wrote. “Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.”

The disagreement between Trump and U.S. Army General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, began with a heated discussion in the Oval Office on Monday, June 1, 2020, when Milley objected to Trump’s suggestion that he was considering invoking the Insurrection Act. Milley argued that the few scattered fires and minor looting in U.S. cities over the previous days were dwarfed by the more common peaceful protests the states should handle.

On Friday, June 5, 2020, John Kelly, a retired U.S. Marine Corps general who served as Trump’s chief of staff from July 31, 2017, to January 2, 2019, did a live-stream interview with embittered, Trump-fired former White House communications director, Anthony Scaramucci, during which he mouthed off about Trump. “I think we need to look harder at who we elect,” Kelly told Scaramucci. “I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?” This statement went to the heart of the 25th Amendment, with Kelly suggesting that Trump was “unfit for command.”
The military’s insubordination over the Insurrection Act is only the tip of the Deep State’s “woke” ideology that has turned rogue elements within our military away from their allegiance to the Constitution and their willingness to submit to civilian rule.

Tump would be well advised to have Senator Marco Rubio, his nominee to be Secretary of State, issue a statement that Biden’s authorization was an unprecedented act of a desperate Deep State determined to escape investigation, prosecution, and court-martial—with treason charges remaining on the table—of various generals, intelligence agents, DOJ officials, and FBI agents, among others.

The statement should emphasize that if Zelensky uses ATACMS against Russia, the USA will stop all aid to Ukraine and will not move a finger to halt Russian armed forces from attacking Kyiv in a move to annex Ukraine. Rubio’s statement should advise NATO (and, in particular, Great Britain and Germany) that the United States would prefer to pull out of NATO than to participate in a nuclear war that NATO and Biden started out of stupidity.

In conclusion, the generals who know Trump is compiling a list of generals for court-martial will stop at nothing to avoid this threat. The military is the muscle of the Deep State the intelligence agency and justice system unelected officials who rightly fear Trump will investigate thoroughly their criminal and possibly treasonous role in a myriad of anti-U.S. actions, including the “Russian collusion hoax,” the Operation Crossfire Hurricane witch hunt, and the intelligence agency whitewash of the Hunter Biden laptop. Expanding the Ukraine war to a point where settlement is no longer an option is Deep State logic for making sure a Trump second term fails to achieve its stated goals.

The fundamental question Trump should put in front of the nation and the world is this: Are we willing to bring the world to the precipice of nuclear war to save the hide of a group of disloyal Deep State actors who began a war in Ukraine that never would have been fought if the Deep State had not stolen from Trump the 2020 presidential?

With everything to lose and nothing to gain, the Deep State appears to have opted for the possibility of nuclear war with Russia rather than take the risk that Donald Trump’s second term might succeed.



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Re: Biden adminestration escalating war
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 02:56:52 PM »
It is The Ukraines military, the blah, blah that it is the U.S. going to war is BS just like the BS talking points that Harris and the liberal new media puked out for month.

Their country, their war; WWIII is paranoia being spewed out for political reasons, nothing more.

I would be far more concerned about Taiwan and China.

Just the Ukraines military???  They never had any long range missiles. We gave them the missiles. Nor does the Ukraine military have the knowledge to use them without our assistance. Nor do they have any satellites for target coordinates. Right Bob just he Ukraine military.   
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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:17:18 PM »
The truth is, the collective clowns have opened their mouths in the past and consequently
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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:12:03 PM »
Charlie Kirk speaking on the issue, and he's spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFPtXLLfRc
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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 05:00:39 PM »
It is The Ukraines military, the blah, blah that it is the U.S. going to war is BS just like the BS talking points that Harris and the liberal new media puked out for month.

Their country, their war; WWIII is paranoia being spewed out for political reasons, nothing more.

I would be far more concerned about Taiwan and China.
Just the Ukraines military???  They never had any long range missiles. We gave them the missiles. Nor does the Ukraine military have the knowledge to use them without our assistance. Nor do they have any satellites for target coordinates. Right Bob just he Ukraine military.   
Ukraine soldiers are training in multiple countries for multiple weapons systems, I simple do not care how, when or why they use what they get .
Countries outside of the Ukraine are using this as another weapons test system just as all involved did/do in the mid-East.
Get used to it, it has not ever been different, nor shall it ever be.




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« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 05:04:20 PM »
Charlie Kirk speaking on the issue, and he's spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFPtXLLfRc
A talking head with supposed 20/20 hindsight, nothing more than spreading paranoia.

The basic IF they had done ... and IF, IF, IF, IF... were IFs worth money, there would be a lot more billionaires.

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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 11:45:07 PM »
yup im in awe of the super intelligent people on here that have it all figured out and call others clowns for not agreeing with their UNEDUCATED OPINIONS. sounds alot like the way the liberals work, doesnt it! when the truth is they stuggled to make it through high school or learned any trade that made them enough money to be money worry free in retirement. Id bet come next year Trump and Pete will be calling them for advice ::)
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« Reply #20 on: Today at 01:21:18 AM »
Supposedly Biden gave Ukraine the go ahead to U.S. supplied long range missiles to launch targets in Russia. This would involve the use of U.S. tocology and satellites, with personal giving them coordinates for targets. It isn't like just giving them the missiles and saying here you go. We would be much involved with the use of them in Russia. I also don't believe Biden made this decision. Its the same deep state people that got him in elected in the first place to use him to do their will, and Biden is even more a puppet now then before. They want to start WW III before Trump gets into office. What happens when North Korea troops that are in Russia start being killed by these missiles? What will Putin do?   
Spot On !! Best thing Trump can do at this point, call Putin, which he might have already done, and try to slow things down. Biden is at the point, I don't think he has the mentality to know what the consequences of what he just did. And, if any of the politicians, D's or R's that are any kind of American at all, should step up and flag this ASAP.

So, what are the chances that biden actually did one thing right? Everything his administration run by others has done has hurt the U.S. yet some agree with him now...

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« Reply #21 on: Today at 02:51:38 AM »
Charlie Kirk speaking on the issue, and he's spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFPtXLLfRc
A talking head with supposed 20/20 hindsight, nothing more than spreading paranoia.

The basic IF they had done ... and IF, IF, IF, IF... were IFs worth money, there would be a lot more billionaires.

Kirk is very intelligent, and was very instrumental in getting Trump elected. There are other pretty intelligent people saying the same thing he is saying.  As Kirk said. What would we do if Russia supplied Cuba with missiles, and supplied them, with the technical aid to lunch them on Florida?  Seems you are perfectly ok with us continuing to send Zelinski money and weapons to use against Russia, that has done nothing to us. To me that sure seems like its nothing more than picking a fight with Russia.  Its also very evident that the Biden adminestration doing this now. Is doing it to hurt Trumps plan in stopping the war.   
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