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Can he get a fair trial..
« on: December 04, 2024, 10:06:45 AM »
  ..So far  as I am concerned, Daniel Penny should not be on trial..

  However, the NY City prostitutors...or rather prosecutors, are putting this hero on trial.  Penny stopped a drug infested homeless guy from
   carrying out his threat oto kill subway riders.

  If they were to pervert justice with a conviction, they cannot expect any more "good samaritans" to interfere with deranged killers roaming in
    public, in the big, rotten apple.

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/train-hero-alek-skarlatos-on-daniel-penny-trial-this-could-happen-to-you/
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2024, 11:54:04 AM »
At least he gets a trial with a jury and 12 of his peers.
Jordan Neely had one guy serve as judge, jury and executioner. 
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2024, 01:09:03 PM »
I agree that he should not even be on trial. The guy’s a hero.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2024, 01:21:02 PM »
I find “12 of his peers” to be a stretch. If they were peers, the trial would be over and Daniel would be at home with family.
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2024, 10:34:39 AM »
At least he gets a trial with a jury and 12 of his peers.
Jordan Neely had one guy serve as judge, jury and executioner.

  Yes; Jordan Neely had one guy serve as judge, jury and executioner...And that guy was Jordan Neely !

    If a man decides to indulge in mind maiming drugs, and then does something stupid, he has brought the consequences upon himself.

   Besides, there is great doubt that Daniel Perry killed the madman..

  When a man comes into a crowd..saying, "some M--F--er is going to die", he hazards his own safety !

   Besides, there is great doubt that Daniel Penny killed the madman..

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/us-news/jordan-neelys-cause-of-death-wasnt-daniel-penny-chokehold-but-combined-effects-of-drugs-struggle-and-schizophrenia-defense-expert/
 
   I do have concerns for Daniel Penny though..  The jury should have deliberated no longer than a half hour, to vindicate him, but they seem to be
    dragging their verdict out !

  I see this delay two ways;

   1)  There is a chance although slim, that there is one holdout, who believes thet Jordan Neely brought his problems upon himself

  2) More likely, considering the trial location, the jurors are arguing how many years to give Penny.

 

     
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2024, 07:46:33 AM »
  My first conjecture above, may have come across..  The jury is deadlocked...

   Unless something beyond what we now know has come up, I would be that holdout..if that's the case.

   https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/jurors-deadlocked-in-daniel-penny-manslaughter-trial/
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2024, 09:57:49 AM »
Jordan Neely is a drug infected POS deserving of NO SYMPATHY for his public outcry. The DETERMING factoid is Penny's announced "threat of great bodily harm", following which, with force, Daniel Penny stopped the threat.

Penny's force, combined with the effects of Neely's mental incapacity and "on board" drugs, both unknowns to Penny at the time, resulted in Neely's death.

Neely should have kept his threat to himself. Penny stepped up. He's VINDICATED and NOT GUILTY.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2024, 11:57:54 AM »
And, I think Neely did have a jury, and I think they all screamed guilty in their minds, but (and this is a shameful but), they were all too scared to act. Only one, ONE, brave soul stepped forward to do what was needed and now the rest want to crucify him for acting (on their behalf). This is the type of wrongful persecution that causes people to sit on their hands instead of helping their fellow man. Shameful.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2024, 12:52:27 PM »
In most states this would not have gone to trial. But In NY state there is a duty to retreat before you can defend yourself. Just one more of thousands of reasons I would never set foot in the state for any reason.


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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2024, 01:00:58 PM »
That raises the question, just where do you retreat to in a crowded subway car?

I just read that the manslaughter charge was dropped, but the jury is now charged with deliberating the second charge, criminally negligent homicide. Just letnthe guy go, fer   Chrissakes. He shouldn’t have been charged in the first place. Who’s paying his legal bills, anyway? That’s a crime in itself.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2024, 06:27:02 PM »
Herein lies the problem...

This is New York!

Not just this...





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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2024, 01:45:37 AM »
Herein lies the problem...

This is New York!

Not just this...






   Land_owner has it exactly correct ! The two different regions he pointed out...are two different worlds !

  The unfortunate problem is the bulk of the population is located in the yellow areas.. (yellow:..and perhaps appropriately so))  :D ;D

  We find the same situation in many places...  Some rural folks in the UK like to say..  London...is  not England !
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2024, 07:18:53 AM »
What problem?
Peer problem?
This is how the system works.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2024, 07:35:03 AM »
He was found not guilty, just now.
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Daniel Penny Acquitted in Subway Rider's Death
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2024, 09:39:30 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/us/daniel-perry-subway-death/2024/12/09/id/1190923/

A former U.S. Marine sergeant who used a chokehold to restrain Jordan Neely, a homeless man, on a New York City subway car was found not guilty of criminally negligent homicide on Monday in Neely's death.

Daniel Penny, 26, has said he never intended to kill Neely, a 30-year-old homeless man with a history of mental illness, during their encounter on an uptown train on May 1, 2023.

A judge had dismissed a more serious charge, manslaughter in the second degree, against Penny after jurors emerged twice during their third day of deliberations on Friday to say they were divided on it.

"The jury has now spoken. At the Manhattan D.A.'s Office we deeply respect the jury process and we respect their verdict," District Attorney Alvin Bragg said in a statement following the verdict.

Penny did not testify during the trial, which began in October.

"I've had enough of this; the system is rigged," Neely's father Andre Zachary told reporters outside the courthouse following the verdict.

Prosecutors from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office did not dispute that Neely was loud, angry and threatening as he boarded the train, shouting that he was hungry, thirsty and wanted to be sent back to jail.

But they told jurors that Penny, who grabbed Neely from behind with an arm around Neely's neck and brought him to the floor, used deadly physical force without justification and for far longer than necessary.

Dafna Yoran, an assistant district attorney, had said during closing arguments that Penny was warned by people around him about risks to Neely's life and intentionally ignored them.

"He didn't recognize that Mr. Neely, too, was a person," she said during her closing argument on Dec. 2. "He didn't care what happened to Mr. Neely."

Penny continued to choke Neely on the floor of the subway car for nearly six minutes after the train pulled into the station and other passengers left the car, prosecutors said.

Penny's defense lawyers told jurors that Penny, a student on his way to a gym, acted out of alarm that Neely might hurt a woman and a child he was approaching. Neely was unarmed.

Lawyer Steven Raiser said his client held Neely "until he knew that he was no longer a threat" but he did not apply pressure on his airway during the last crucial moments.

"What happened on May 1, 2023 was not a chokehold death," Raiser said Monday. "He was controlling Mr. Neely's body, not choking him."

Penny's lawyer theorized that Neely died from another cause, possibly a drug overdose or a sickle cell crisis. Prosecutor Yoran rejected those scenarios, telling jurors it is extremely rare for sickle cell, a genetic blood disorder, to lead to a fatal crisis, and that it also was unlikely that Neely died from drug overdose at exactly the same moment when he was being held in a chokehold.

The killing gained widespread public attention, with some viewing Neely, who was Black, as a victim of a white vigilante. Others, including some Republican politicians, called Penny a hero.


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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2024, 12:02:02 PM »
  BLM leader in NYC has already come out and said there should be protests. The KKK is alive and racism is still their biggest problem. Wouldn't do any good, somebody should point out that over 90% of blacks that are murdered in this country, is done by other blacks. White on black crime is almost insignificant. But, that wouldn't fit their agenda.
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2024, 12:46:20 PM »
What problem?
Peer problem?
This is how the system works.

  I assume you are speaking to me.. 

   The problem is, the entire state has to deal with lefty lopsided minds..who run the state as a whole (or hole?), when the small yellow area
    occupies perhaps only 1/50th of the actual state. 

  It serves to demonstrate the wisdom of our founding fathers, when the enacted the electoral system.

  In a nutshell..it is Constitutional representation vs pure democracy..or mob rule.  ...So now, the small (as of now) mob in NYC are trying to stir up
   "demonstrations", or riots..across the country.

  There is very little doubt, that Daniel Penny did not intend to kill anyone..  He didn't know Neely, nor have a grudge against him.

  In fairness, I believe Penny was honestly trying to protect subway passengers...the reason why, many of them thanked him.

  A further question... If Neely died from the chokehold, why did the police administer NARCAN and a defibrillator, while trying to revive him on the
   spot?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/daniel-penny-verdict-nyc-subway-chokehold-jordan-neely/

  From the article;

  "Video shows Penny holding Neely in a chokehold on the floor of the train for several minutes until Neely stopped moving. After police arrived, officers administered Narcan to Neely, performed CPR and used an AED, but were unable to revive him. Neely was pronounced dead at the scene."
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2024, 05:10:52 PM »
The police released Penny. He was free for 10 days.

The DA then reacted to public pressure to arrest Penny on charges from which he had been previously released. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid in New York City.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2024, 10:30:34 PM »
looks like a new troll is here. what a dumb ass comment!!
At least he gets a trial with a jury and 12 of his peers.
Jordan Neely had one guy serve as judge, jury and executioner.
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2024, 03:44:04 AM »
The police released Penny. He was free for 10 days.

The DA then reacted to public pressure to arrest Penny on charges from which he had been previously released. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid in New York City.

  Typical Leftward Marxist thinking.. The left always has to somehow twist things into a question of race, when race has nothing to do with it !

 I guess their mind paths are so narrow, they can only think of one, or at most two, motives..
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2024, 07:18:09 AM »
They're looking for a fast pay day. Their opportunity to help was before the man had forty felony arrests.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2024, 07:28:32 AM »
At least he gets a trial with a jury and 12 of his peers.
Jordan Neely had one guy serve as judge, jury and executioner.
Stupidity has just rewards and Neely got his reward.

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2024, 07:40:57 AM »
  BLM leader in NYC has already come out and said there should be protests. The KKK is alive and racism is still their biggest problem. Wouldn't do any good, somebody should point out that over 90% of blacks that are murdered in this country, is done by other blacks. White on black crime is almost insignificant. But, that wouldn't fit their agenda.

...and thats it in a nut shell. It doesn't fit the BLM, and leftist agenda. If it wasn't for white men shedding their sweat and blood to make this country a free and prosperous country. Where would the BLM crowd and their supporters be, and who would they have to hate?   
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2024, 08:17:34 AM »
  BLM leader in NYC has already come out and said there should be protests. The KKK is alive and racism is still their biggest problem. Wouldn't do any good, somebody should point out that over 90% of blacks that are murdered in this country, is done by other blacks. White on black crime is almost insignificant. But, that wouldn't fit their agenda.

  Not just protests, but calling for "vigilante action" against  perceived offences....

   https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/jordan-neelys-father-escorted-out-of-courtroom-jaws-with-someone-in-gallery-after-daniel-penny-acquitted-in-chokehold-death/
   

   
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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2024, 07:57:06 PM »
Were it not for the topesy-turvy world we live in today, there would be no reason to turn on a television or to cook any popcorn. Assassins have become vogue and heroes are loathed and prosecuted. Parents protecting their children from social activism are labeled domestic terrorists.

Shop lifters and looters are tolerated. Murderers and felons are released without bail or repurcussions after arrest. Doctors actually following the science, voicing differing opinions than the government's, are pillareed.

The left is pulling out its hair as the right is celebrating a political victory.

Only time will tell what " The Reset" truly means to America and the World.

Certainly the World HAS changed under Joe Biden's Administration and now, during "The Reset", both societal and political courses have reversed.

The abnormalites noted are probably a paradox from the Pendulum of Time swinging right to far left, then stopped for that one brief moment, before it started swinging left toward far right.

Perhaps that cessation of time allowed "the weird", the off center, the backward, the photo's negative to surface, but hopefully only for that brief moment or two.

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Re: Can he get a fair trial..
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2024, 12:52:53 AM »
Were it not for the topesy-turvy world we live in today, there would be no reason to turn on a television or to cook any popcorn. Assassins have become vogue and heroes are loathed and prosecuted. Parents protecting their children from social activism are labeled domestic terrorists.

Shop lifters and looters are tolerated. Murderers and felons are released without bail or repurcussions after arrest. Doctors actually following the science, voicing differing opinions than the government's, are pillareed.

The left is pulling out its hair as the right is celebrating a political victory.

Only time will tell what " The Reset" truly means to America and the World.

Certainly the World HAS changed under Joe Biden's Administration and now, during "The Reset", both societal and political courses have reversed.

The abnormalites noted are probably a paradox from the Pendulum of Time swinging right to far left, then stopped for that one brief moment, before it started swinging left toward far right.

Perhaps that cessation of time allowed "the weird", the off center, the backward, the photo's negative to surface, but hopefully only for that brief moment or two.

“ Woe to those who call evil good and good evil “

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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2024, 02:58:12 AM »
..And I would like to see that pendulum swing as far to the right,. as it has swung to the left over the last two Demonrat administrations..

  ...and then, neatly settle back to it's correct, right-of-center norm..
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