Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..

[ironglow]

  Gov New-scum now offering new rebates for those purchasing EVs...unless they are buying a Tesla..

   https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/california-governor-newsom-propose-clean-vehicle-rebate-if-trump-cuts-ev-tax-2024-11-25/

  Governor of California rules out the best known, most developed  and most preferred EV...plus Tesla is the only EV produced in his own state of
   California !

  So, quite obviously, it is politics that counts most and to blazes with "climate change"..

[Lizard of Oz]

Chevy and Hyundai may also be excluded.  Looks like it’s more about market cap than politics.

https://www.kcra.com/article/get-the-facts-tesla-excluded-california-ev-tax-credit/63026774

[Mule 11]

Yeah it’s probably a “market cap” couldn’t possibly be a reason to exclude one’s political enemies now could it?
“sharp as a tack”
“Laptop is Russian disinformation”
“Fairest election ever”
“It was rape I tell you”
“If you take the vax you can’t get covid”
“Jan 6th insurrection” or as sleepy joe put it “erection”
“Mostly peaceful protest”
Anyone else care to add to THIS list?

[gypsyman]

 I prefer the old saying--Follow the money !! What you will find are liars and hypocrite's. Al Gore and several others with multiple mansions using 4-5 times the energy an ordinary house does. Celebrities screaming about climate change, and fly their private jet across the world to vacation in the Caribbean or Mediterranean.

[Lizard of Oz]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

[Land_Owner]

I just read an article "Being Your Own Hunting Best Friend" in Deer and Deer Hunter magazine, a paragraph of which succinctly, tells the truth in the matter of news. The FNN's have a "screaming" system in place to tell you exactly what they want you to believe. They tell you over and over and over and over what the fake news is that eventually those that hear it, mostly those without a single working brain cell will pick up on it act upon it believe it and continue to push that system forward.

[ironglow]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

  We have plenty of those well informed explanations already..but the brainwashed, "wokeist" junkies are indoctrinated to not consult them..

    https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/4/a/4a86454f-4287-4d1c-ae5f-85a01b8c78b8/7E90482A76C15A7B2D2473E6EDC911C0.refuting-12-claims-made-by-climate-alarmists.pdf

[DDZ]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

Yeah thats all they have to do is buy off the major ones. Money can buy a lot. Especially tax payers money being spent by a tyrannical government. The man made global warming scam is being sold everywhere. Government, Media, bought off scientists, K-12 schools, and colleges.

[Mule 11]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

When greenies say lunacy like “cows farting are causing global warming errrr climate change”
They lose all credibility...

[DDZ]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

When greenies say lunacy like “cows farting are causing global warming errrr climate change”
They lose all credibility...

Those that have been indoctrinated. Think they are going to save the planet by getting rid of farting cows. Those that want to see the indoctrination process completed, are doing it for the transfer of wealth, and power. They are actually smart enough to know that climate change isn't produced by people.   

[darkgael]

All of the examples cited are, no doubt, true. There is, certainly, a political as well as a financial element to the stance of some folk to climate change. The thing is that none of those prove that the basic information, the scientific basis, is wrong.

[Mule 11]

All of the examples cited are, no doubt, true. There is, certainly, a political as well as a financial element to the stance of some folk to climate change. The thing is that none of those prove that the basic information, the scientific basis, is wrong.

Since I and the like minded are not the ones pushing this agenda or (lack of science) it puts the burden of proof on the others foot...

[magooch]

The theory that gaseous bovine expellations are responsible for "global warming" is simple-minded feeble when compared with the hot air that comes out of the mouths of liberals (Dumbycratics).  Save the Earth--choke a lib.

[ironglow]

There is no doubt the climate changes.  It changes by the hour, day, year century and millennium..just as it is doing now.

  The problem is the big lie, concerning what the cause is.

  The Commie-Left is trying to blame capitalism...but capitalism didn't bring on the ice age, nor did it bring on the warm spell which thawed Greenland from the 9th to 13th centuries..

  ...And I highly doubt capitalism brought on the "little ice age" from the 14th century, until 1850....

  A bit of research will prove the assertion...but the woke idiots, would rather worship at the Algore altar.

[darkgael]

IG: your assertions are correct. Those things did happen. Focus on events of the past, however, misses the point…..just like the belief that cow farts are the cause of the changes that are happening. The causes of changes are far more complex.
I know that it will be hard for you but take politics out of this; take Al Gore out of this; take commies out of this. Those things are distractions and have little or nothing to do with the actual physical changes that are happening.
There is a wealth of apolitical information/research available at your fingertips. Google is your friend.
ou can find reliable and comprehensive information on the causes of climate change from reputable sources like the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). These organizations provide scientific research and reports detailing the factors contributing to climate change.
Specific Resources:
EPA's Climate Change Website:
The EPA's website (www.epa.gov/climatechange) offers a wealth of information on climate change, including detailed explanations of the causes, impacts, and solutions. You can find articles and reports specifically focusing on the causes of climate change, including the role of greenhouse gases and human activities.
NASA's Climate Change Website:
NASA's website (climate.nasa.gov) offers a comprehensive overview of climate change, including resources on the causes, impacts, and evidence of climate change. You can find articles and research on topics like greenhouse gases, rising temperatures, and the role of human activities.
NOAA's Climate.gov:
NOAA's website (climate.gov) offers various resources on climate change, including articles, reports, and data visualizations. You can find information on the causes of climate change, including the role of greenhouse gases, natural climate variability, and human activities.
IPCC Reports:
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the leading international body for assessing the science related to climate change. Their reports provide comprehensive assessments of the scientific basis of climate change, including the causes, impacts, and risks.
Scientific Journals:
Scientific journals like Nature, Science, and Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) publish research articles on climate change, including those exploring the causes and drivers of climate change.
Key Points to Consider When Researching the Causes of Climate Change:
Greenhouse Gases:
The burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) is a primary cause of climate change, releasing greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere. These gases trap heat, leading to global warming.
Deforestation:
Clearing forests for agriculture, logging, or other land uses releases carbon dioxide stored in trees and reduces the planet's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
Industrial Processes:
Industrial activities, such as cement production and the use of certain refrigerants, emit greenhouse gases and contribute to climate change.
Agriculture:
Agricultural practices, including livestock farming and the use of fertilizers, release greenhouse gases like methane and nitrous oxide.
Transportation:
Burning fossil fuels in vehicles for transportation releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Waste Disposal:
Landfills and waste incineration contribute to greenhouse gas emissions.
By exploring these resources and understanding the key factors driving climate change, you can gain a deeper understanding of the causes and i

[DDZ]

There is a wealth of apolitical information/research available at your fingertips. Google is your friend.
ou can find reliable and comprehensive information on the causes of climate change from reputable sources like the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). These organizations provide scientific research and reports detailing the factors contributing to climate change.

Thats rather quite amusing. After telling IG he needs to take politics out of this. You want us to believe what comes from these government agencies, that are involved in the climate change scam to transfer wealth, and power to government and these agencies.  LOL

[DDZ]

There have even been a couple of UN global alarmists that have let it slip what the real reason is behind the global warming lie, and that is to destroy capitalism, and redistribute global wealth.

This is a quote from UN climate office Ottmar Edenhoffer  “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,”
For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”
Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.
“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

Make the masses afraid of something, and they will accept anything. Its one of the Marxists tools for gaining power.

[darkgael]

“Thats rather quite amusing. After telling IG he needs to take politics out of this. You want us to believe what comes from these government agencies, that are involved in the climate change scam to transfer wealth, and power to government and these agencies.  LOL”

Sadly, I knew that would be the reaction.
Question: if none of those sources can be trusted, from where do you get the information that they are wrong?

The focus here is always on the politics, on the uses to which the facts of change are put. No doubt that there are groups who will use the science to move toward their political goals. True enough.
That does not mean that the data showing climate change is wrong,

[DDZ]

Over time, many threads on the climate change issue here on GB, have been posted, and to those that have been indoctrinated in the false idea that man is causing the climate to change falls on deaf ears. You and others that believe man is the cause for any temperature change do not want to hear anything contradictory to that idea.  So I have realized its really futile to post anything arguing against the climate change scam produced by globalists, and Marxists because you and your like don't read them, or just claim its written by some right wing extremist.   

Here are a couple articles I found in a minute. Being an ex teacher I figure you can find plenty of articles debunking the climate change scam, besides what is put out by government agencies, and greenie organizations. Thats if you really want to, which I believe you don't want to, because your belief is so embedded in the man made global warming, we are going to all burn up scam. I don't have a lot of time right now to try and sift through web search engines that hide and limit data that goes against the globalist agenda. Google being one of the worst that hides such data. Lots of time just using common sense works best. 

 chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/666002/21b43e1b155051227ef2981acd52c254/19-16-292-C-Corbyn-data.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1112950/

[ironglow]

No kidding! What we need is an honest journalist who can show us how every major scientific group on the planet has been bought off by the power hungry control seeking  greenies.
The sooner the better!

Yeah thats all they have to do is buy off the major ones. Money can buy a lot. Especially tax payers money being spent by a tyrannical government. The man made global warming scam is being sold everywhere. Government, Media, bought off scientists, K-12 schools, and colleges.

 

   World wide Marxism, including the likes of Soros...have plenty of money and are obviously quite willing to purchase agents.

[ulav8r]

Most if not all climate change supporting data is sponsored by the governments that are pushing the climate change propaganda. 

[ironglow]

IG: your assertions are correct. Those things did happen. Focus on events of the past, however, misses the point…..just like the belief that cow farts are the cause of the changes that are happening. The causes of changes are far more complex.
I know that it will be hard for you but take politics out of this; take Al Gore out of this; take commies out of this. Those things are distractions and have little or nothing to do with the actual physical changes that are happening.
There is a wealth of apolitical information/research available at your fingertips. Google is your friend.
ou can find reliable and comprehensive information on the causes of climate change from reputable sources like the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). These organizations provide scientific research and reports detailing the factors contributing to climate change.
Specific Resources:
EPA's Climate Change Website:
The EPA's website (www.epa.gov/climatechange) offers a wealth of information on climate change, including detailed explanations of the causes, impacts, and solutions. You can find articles and reports specifically focusing on the causes of climate change, including the role of greenhouse gases and human activities.
NASA's Climate Change Website:
NASA's website (climate.nasa.gov) offers a comprehensive overview of climate change, including resources on the causes, impacts, and evidence of climate change. You can find articles and research on topics like greenhouse gases, rising temperatures, and the role of human activities.
NOAA's Climate.gov:
NOAA's website (climate.gov) offers various resources on climate change, including articles, reports, and data visualizations. You can find information on the causes of climate change, including the role of greenhouse gases, natural climate variability, and human activities.
IPCC Reports:
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the leading international body for assessing the science related to climate change. Their reports provide comprehensive assessments of the scientific basis of climate change, including the causes, impacts, and risks.
Scientific Journals:
Scientific journals like Nature, Science, and Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) publish research articles on climate change, including those exploring the causes and drivers of climate change.
Key Points to Consider When Researching the Causes of Climate Change:
Greenhouse Gases:
The burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) is a primary cause of climate change, releasing greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere. These gases trap heat, leading to global warming.
Deforestation:
Clearing forests for agriculture, logging, or other land uses releases carbon dioxide stored in trees and reduces the planet's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
Industrial Processes:
Industrial activities, such as cement production and the use of certain refrigerants, emit greenhouse gases and contribute to climate change.
Agriculture:
Agricultural practices, including livestock farming and the use of fertilizers, release greenhouse gases like methane and nitrous oxide.
Transportation:
Burning fossil fuels in vehicles for transportation releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Waste Disposal:
Landfills and waste incineration contribute to greenhouse gas emissions.
By exploring these resources and understanding the key factors driving climate change, you can gain a deeper understanding of the causes and i

    Sadly, I wish I could take the politics out of the "climate change" myth, but climate change (once "global warming") jhas politics as it's birth
   mother !

  It is the old practice by Marxists, more recently espoused by Saul Alinsky, that the existing capatalist powers must be torn down..so Communism
    can take over.

  Alinsky even wrote a book, outlining how radicals can kill a system such as capitalism.  Hillary and Obama are eager devotees of Alinsky, who
   wrote these 12 "Rules for Radicals".

  The Rules
"Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
"Never go outside the experience of your people."
"Whenever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy."
"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
"A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
"Keep the pressure on."
"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
"The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
"The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

  Here Alinsky extrapolates... https://sliwainsights.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals/

[ironglow]

Some food for thought;

   The "climate change" movement is a world wide pheonomena...from that little twit from Sweden who says, "How dare you"..to Al Gore, John Kerry and a host of international celebrities... 

  So, why does this world wide movement not go after China, Russia or India ?  ...And why do they not harass the Arab countries for their great
   production of that terrible product called petroleum oil ?  .

 ....Couldn't be that these countries are no threat to Communism, could it ?

  Why do they only attack the most capitalist nation in the world...while not laying a word upon the 3 greatest producers of CO2 and other pollution ?

[darkgael]

DDZ: I have to apologize. You are correct in your criticism of my unwillingness to look at the debunk side of the argument. That was intellectually sloppy of me. I will try to be more even handed.

[ironglow]

  Have we all considered that scientists..even those who are not climate scientists, may just be buckling down tokeep from being singled out for
   ridicule and derision..perhaps out of fear of having some "research money" cut off.

  We will soon have a different attitude in Washington...one that is not inclined to dominate every thought or action of the people.

  Perhaps with threats of reprisal removed, more will speak freely, and with more candor.

    Let's watch and see !

[DDZ]

DDZ: I have to apologize. You are correct in your criticism of my unwillingness to look at the debunk side of the argument. That was intellectually sloppy of me. I will try to be more even handed.

No apology needed, but apology accepted. I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas!

[Dixie-Dude]

Why do all these rich elitists buy oceanfront property if the poles are melting?  Obama at Martha's Vinyard, etc.  Hypocritical. 

The earth's poles are shifting affecting climate.  Solar flare activity affects climate.  One large volcanic eruption can cause colder weather.  NASA has found out there is a 25% increase in plant life around the world due to more CO2 in the air.  This in turn can lower CO2 levels. 

Lots of conflicting evidence as to it being man made.

Why are China, India, and other developing nations exempt from the climate accords but western nations have to obey them?  They are the largest contributors to CO2 emissions. 

Alternative energy is great "IF IT IS COST EFFECTIVE".  Solar and wind are great where there is a lot of wind or a lot of sunshine, but most people don't live on the windy plains or the desert southwest.  Most live where it is comfortable. 

Over the last 40-50 years we have built more efficient homes, more efficient appliances, etc.  But those were cost effective.  Average new gas home today uses about 40% less gas than one the same size built before 1960.  Cars get higher gas mileage than in 1970. 

The left is never satisfied unless they have total control of everything.  The free market will sort it out.  If we start running out of oil or natural gas, then solar, wind, nuclear, will take over due to being cheaper.  The government wants to tax and regulate to death.  Let it go.

They want to control our health care, what we drive, what appliances to use, what we eat, utilities, free speech, even how we think.  Enough is enough.   

[Lizard of Oz]

Edward Teller:
The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.

[ironglow]

  Three important points brought out by DD...

 1) " The earth's poles are shifting affecting climate.  Solar flare activity affects climate.  One large volcanic eruption can cause colder weather.  NASA has found out there is a 25% increase in plant life around the world due to more CO2 in the air.  This in turn can lower CO2 levels."

   The earth's magnetic poles are shifting regularly and anyone who uses maps professionally knows this.  I learned it in Non-Commissioned Officers School in Bad Tolz, Germany.  Many on the left even , must know this, but go ahead and use it for propaganda. They make videos of one side of the Arctic cap, which is retreating...while ignoring the other side which is building ice.

   "AI Overview
Learn more
Shift of the North Magnetic Pole : r/MapPorn
The Earth's magnetic poles are shifting, and this is a natural phenomenon that has been occurring for millions of years. Here's a breakdown of the magnetic pole shift:
What is the magnetic pole shift?
Earth's magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron in the Earth's outer core. This creates a magnetic field that extends out into space, protecting us from harmful solar radiation.
The magnetic north and south poles are not fixed points but rather wander across the Earth's surface. The magnetic north pole has been moving steadily from Canada towards Siberia.
The magnetic poles have flipped many times in Earth's history. The last reversal occurred about 780,000 years ago. "

  2)  "
Why are China, India, and other developing nations exempt from the climate accords but western nations have to obey them?  They are the largest contributors to CO2 emissions."

   Yes, why do the billionaire sponsors of the left, ignore the pollution being produced by those who are doing the great polluting?  China is currently building coal fired power plantsby the dozens. ..And don't hand me that "developing nation" crap..  Any country that can threated Taiwan's existence and be building a navy aimed at defeating the USA..is NOT as "developing nation"..

  " AI Overview
Learn more
China has a vast number of power stations, with a significant portion being coal-fired plants.
Coal Power Dominance:
China has the largest number of coal-fired power stations globally, accounting for over half the world's coal-fired electricity generation.
As of July 2024, there were over 1,161 operational coal power plants in China, far exceeding any other country.
In 2021, China's installed coal-based power generation capacity was about 1,080 GW, representing a substantial portion of the country's total installed power capacity."

   ...And # 3) Why do all these rich elitists buy oceanfront property if the poles are melting?  Obama at Martha's Vinyard, etc. 

   I have asked this question repeatedly...and have never received a cogent or palatable answer from any lefdt winger !

  Pleses, to retain credibility...pleased give me a logical answer to that question

[ironglow]

  Nexst question...  Would the left lie to us about climate change ?

   Did they lie about the "Russian dossier"?

   Did they lie about Michael Brown ?

   Did they lie about the Chinese weather balloons ?

  Did they lie about the covid shots ?

   ..And last but not least....  DID THEY LIE ABOUT BIDEN'S MENTAL HEALTH FOR 4 YEARS ?