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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2024, 11:41:20 AM »
By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2024, 12:43:36 PM »
By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.

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   ...And # 3) Why do all these rich elitists buy oceanfront property if the poles are melting?  Obama at Martha's Vinyard, etc.

   I have asked this same question repeatedly...and have never received a cogent or palatable answer from any left winger !

  Pleses, to retain credibility...pleased give me a logical answer to that question"


    So..ANSWER PLEASE...
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2024, 01:00:53 AM »
  Three important points brought out by DD...

 1) " The earth's poles are shifting affecting climate.  Solar flare activity affects climate.  One large volcanic eruption can cause colder weather.  NASA has found out there is a 25% increase in plant life around the world due to more CO2 in the air.  This in turn can lower CO2 levels."

   The earth's magnetic poles are shifting regularly and anyone who uses maps professionally knows this.  I learned it in Non-Commissioned Officers School in Bad Tolz, Germany.  Many on the left even , must know this, but go ahead and use it for propaganda. They make videos of one side of the Arctic cap, which is retreating...while ignoring the other side which is building ice.

   "AI Overview
Learn more
Shift of the North Magnetic Pole : r/MapPorn
The Earth's magnetic poles are shifting, and this is a natural phenomenon that has been occurring for millions of years. Here's a breakdown of the magnetic pole shift:
What is the magnetic pole shift?
Earth's magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron in the Earth's outer core. This creates a magnetic field that extends out into space, protecting us from harmful solar radiation.
The magnetic north and south poles are not fixed points but rather wander across the Earth's surface. The magnetic north pole has been moving steadily from Canada towards Siberia.
The magnetic poles have flipped many times in Earth's history. The last reversal occurred about 780,000 years ago. "


  2)  "
Why are China, India, and other developing nations exempt from the climate accords but western nations have to obey them?  They are the largest contributors to CO2 emissions."


   Yes, why do the billionaire sponsors of the left, ignore the pollution being produced by those who are doing the great polluting?  China is currently building coal fired power plantsby the dozens. ..And don't hand me that "developing nation" crap..  Any country that can threated Taiwan's existence and be building a navy aimed at defeating the USA..is NOT as "developing nation"..

  " AI Overview
Learn more
China has a vast number of power stations, with a significant portion being coal-fired plants.
Coal Power Dominance:
China has the largest number of coal-fired power stations globally, accounting for over half the world's coal-fired electricity generation.
As of July 2024, there were over 1,161 operational coal power plants in China, far exceeding any other country.
In 2021, China's installed coal-based power generation capacity was about 1,080 GW, representing a substantial portion of the country's total installed power capacity."


   ...And # 3) Why do all these rich elitists buy oceanfront property if the poles are melting?  Obama at Martha's Vinyard, etc. 

   I have asked this question repeatedly...and have never received a cogent or palatable answer from any lefdt winger !

  Pleses, to retain credibility...pleased give me a logical answer to that question


Darned if I know why rich people spend their money. However they do has nothing to do with global warming.
You present an impressive amount of info. Word salad. Little or nothing to do with global warming.,
The info provided about magnetic pole shift is beside the point as there is no connection between pole shift and global warming.

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2024, 03:38:17 AM »
  From DG;

  " Darned if I know why rich people spend their money. However they do has nothing to do with global warming.

   Let's not play the ingenue little girl, when it comes to politics... when it was clear by the statement.
   These rich people did not become rich, nor stay rich, by investing in homes that would soon be flooded. That should have been patently obvious !
 
     You present an impressive amount of info. Word salad. Little or nothing to do with global warming.,

   Word salad?     It seems you are the one offering "word salad" while being short on facts. If the poles shift..the ice cap shifts, melting on one side,
   while freezing more on the other.  Of course, then the rad lefties capture videos of a polar bear standing upon a small ice floe..something that
   happens as a regular course. .. while they refuse to visit or record the current ice buildup on the off side...

The info provided about magnetic pole shift is beside the point as there is no connection between pole shift and global warming."

    No connection ? Please extrapolate..without employing "word salad".  Oh; and by the way..you refer to "global warming"; I thought that term was
  now obsolete..the looney left now preferring "climate change".. 

  ..But things are looking up, now with Pres Trump at the helm, some of the gross ignorance of the radical left will now compost away with the
   rest of the manure.
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2024, 05:01:02 AM »
“ If the poles shift..the ice cap shifts, melting on one side,
   while freezing more on the other.  Of course, then the rad lefties capture videos of a polar bear standing upon a small ice floe..something that
   happens as a regular course. .. while they refuse to visit or record the current ice buildup on the off side...”

That’s word salad :)
The poles are based on the earth’s axis of rotation. They don’t move.
The magnetic poles are not the same and do move. Might want to go back and review that Army training.

Here’s some factual truth about the Arctic ice
https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2024, 10:11:47 AM »
“ If the poles shift..the ice cap shifts, melting on one side,
   while freezing more on the other.  Of course, then the rad lefties capture videos of a polar bear standing upon a small ice floe..something that
   happens as a regular course. .. while they refuse to visit or record the current ice buildup on the off side...”

That’s word salad :)
The poles are based on the earth’s axis of rotation. They don’t move.
The magnetic poles are not the same and do move. Might want to go back and review that Army training.

Here’s some factual truth about the Arctic ice
https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

  What you and all the "Chicken Little, sky is falling" alarmists are presenting is only their own, unproven thesis. You are not presenting a proven
   hypothesis !

  The scientific method, is to first present a hypothesis..then one must go about demonstrating truth beyond a doubt, and thereby presenting a solid
   thesis.

  I see no demonstration proving this point, but rather ....just blather !

  Unbelievers claim the earth is 2.5 billion years old, and offer evidence of such an age...along with evidence of hundreds, perhaps thousands of
   climate changes.

  What is to say this is not just another of those fluctuations, which have happened in the past, and done so wiithout any input from mankind ?

  Merriam-Webster;

   HYPOTHESIS: : A) a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences
                          B) an assumption made for the sake of argument

   THESIS: a dissertation embodying results of original research and especially substantiating a specific view.


  In any case, the physical extent of the ice cap bears little relationship to the leftist claims.  We are not saying that climate change does not happen,
   but we are in doubt that man's activities are doing it !

  Let's pretend you are right, the primary question is, if China. Russia and India, among many others, refuse to curb their CO2 production, how much good, will our country.. which is not only "cleaner" now than they and the European nations are, by being the only ones who sacrifice?

   ..How do you guys plan on forcing them to sacfrifice as well ?



 
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2024, 12:21:59 PM »
Simple IG. I’ll answer that last question. Like any coward, they only enter battles they feel they can win. You know, Cowards...

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2024, 02:20:05 AM »
  Some people, whether by genetics, early training or some other c ause, are natural "control freaks".  They get their jollies by controlling other people. 

  They often make senseless rules, just to **** over other people !  This is evidently why these people claw to get into a position of POWER !

  They have their "useful idiots" running the streets, shouting slogans such as, "power to the people"..  These simple idiots don't even realize that what they are clamoring for, is for all "power to certain people"..

 A good example is the governor we are blasted (not blessed) with !  Needless to say, like many patriot sufferers, New York State is a blue state,
   and it is only so, due to one large, rotten apple.

   Killings run rampant in NYC and the other larger cities are not far behind.  Killings in the rural counties are basically negligible.
  In my home county, I can only recall 2 killings in 25 years, and they were both "love triangle" deeds.

  So, what does our brilliant (oxymoron) governor do?  She levies new, restrictive gun laws on ALL LEGAL gun owners, while doing virtually nothing
   about the plethora of illegally held guns in the big cities !  So thenbig cities termites just keep on killing..

  BTW; those 2 murders in my county, both many years ago, were not even gun deaths..  Knife in one..ice pick the other.

  The left's penchant for "control' is shared with such greats as Stalin, Mao, PolPot, Nero and every other dictator who ever lived.

  That explains the stupid laws they often inflict upon people.  Their laws do not have to make sense... the fact that they crush the people's freedom
  and give them pain, provides them with enough twisted satisfaction to launch them into a psychological orgasm.
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2024, 05:39:23 AM »
Don't know if anyone trusts what Russia says or not, but they said the climate scientists in the west fudged their temperature recordings by a couple of degrees.  They said the numbers they reported were not what was averaged for the world's temperature.  So, there is that. 

Then, NASA has said the plant life has increased in a lot of areas of the world with slightly higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere.  So, that will bring down the CO2 and cool the earth some over time.  So, it balances out. 

The first time there was any mention of "global warming" was in 1989 and the alarmists said we had 10 years to get rid of fossil fuels.  They have been saying we only have 10 years for 45 years.  Hmmm.  So, why the alarmists. 

Even Elon Musk, who's company makes electric cars and solar panels said we have 75 years, not 10, to get away from fossil fuels, but we have to have inexpensive fossil fuels in the meantime.  He advocates solar panels with his industrial sized storage batteries since windmills kill birds, or nuclear power.  He also knows we can't stop drilling because we need plastics, drugs, and synthetic materials made from oil or coal. 
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2024, 06:55:21 AM »
“Unproven thesis”, “proven hypothesis”, “demonstrating truth”, “solid thesis” - more word salad or shall we say “blather”
You are confusing scientific method with a scientific theory. They are related but not the same.
A "scientific theory" is a well-established explanation of a natural phenomenon, supported by substantial evidence gathered through the "scientific method," which is a systematic process of observation, hypothesis testing, experimentation, and analysis to gain knowledge about the natural world; essentially, a theory is a hypothesis that has been rigorously tested and widely accepted within the scientific community.
Key points to remember:
Theory vs. Hypothesis:
A hypothesis is a proposed explanation that can be tested, while a theory is a well-supported explanation that has withstood multiple tests and is considered highly reliable.
Scientific Method Steps:
Observation: Making initial observations about a phenomenon.
Question: Formulating a research question based on the observations.
Hypothesis: Developing a testable prediction to answer the question.
Experimentation: Conducting controlled experiments to gather data related to the hypothesis.
Analysis: Analyzing the collected data to draw conclusions.
Conclusion: Communicating the results and interpreting whether the hypothesis is supported or not.

For more than a century, scientists have understood the basic physics behind why greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide cause warming. These gases make up just a small fraction of the atmosphere but exert outsized control on Earth’s climate by trapping some of the planet’s heat before it escapes into space. This greenhouse effect is important: It’s why a planet so far from the sun has liquid water and life!

However, during the Industrial Revolution, people started burning coal and other fossil fuels to power factories, smelters and steam engines, which added more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere. Ever since, human activities have been heating the planet.

We know this is true thanks to an overwhelming body of evidence that begins with temperature measurements taken at weather stations and on ships starting in the mid-1800s. Later, scientists began tracking surface temperatures with satellites and looking for clues about climate change in geologic records. Together, these data all tell the same story: Earth is getting hotter.

Try bringing science to the table instead of bogus tangents  to refute the “demonstrated truth” :)

https://www.nytimes.com/article/climate-change-global-warming-faq.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&tgrp=sty&pvid=4C61DCE7-E4AC-4133-9248-77B42FFEC4BA

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2024, 08:53:18 AM »
This all depends on whether people have lied about temperatures, especially recently.  NASA is not immune to this.  Their new rocket, the SLS is an expensive boondogle.  It will cost over $2 billion just to launch one rocket.  Boeing milked NASA developing this for over 10 years. 
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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2024, 03:52:28 AM »

For more than a century, scientists have understood the basic physics behind why greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide cause warming. These gases make up just a small fraction of the atmosphere but exert outsized control on Earth’s climate by trapping some of the planet’s heat before it escapes into space. This greenhouse effect is important: It’s why a planet so far from the sun has liquid water and life!

However, during the Industrial Revolution, people started burning coal and other fossil fuels to power factories, smelters and steam engines, which added more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere. Ever since, human activities have been heating the planet.

We know this is true thanks to an overwhelming body of evidence that begins with temperature measurements taken at weather stations and on ships starting in the mid-1800s. Later, scientists began tracking surface temperatures with satellites and looking for clues about climate change in geologic records. Together, these data all tell the same story: Earth is getting hotter.


That ^ is a lie. But yours and others brains are so saturated with the global warming scam lies you won't look at any facts.  The CO2 at 415ppm is very low compared to past history of the earth. 

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-global-warming-scam-part-2/

https://www.cato.org/blog/big-lie-about-global-warming

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https://answersingenesis.org/environmental-science/climate-change/is-man-the-cause-of-global-warming/?srsltid=AfmBOoqbdcShMr0dsrq4QrT58i0ta97pa4IS96fdAJ9LoYwn-VErQuaR

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2009/12/1037/

https://www-ecs.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/01/will_we_purposely_add_co2_to_the_atmosphere_soon.html

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/10/simple_facts_expose_the_climate_change_hoax.html?ht-comment-id=20843263
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2024, 04:28:44 AM »
Here is an example of your typical climate activist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkHqx5LHAFs
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2024, 04:46:48 AM »
Research about climate change began long before NASA existed. Original research was performed in the 19th century.

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« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2024, 01:34:24 AM »
Research about climate change began long before NASA existed. Original research was performed in the 19th century.

Yeah, it its been found that the climate was changing before humans ever started burning fossil fuels.
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« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2024, 02:53:11 AM »
Research about climate change began long before NASA existed. Original research was performed in the 19th century.

Yeah, it its been found that the climate was changing before humans ever started burning fossil fuels.

It’s probably all the animals farting, maybe we should cull all the animals and start eating plant based foods and ze bugs :).

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« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2024, 03:38:45 AM »
Research about climate change began long before NASA existed. Original research was performed in the 19th century.

Yeah, it its been found that the climate was changing before humans ever started burning fossil fuels.

When did it ever change as fast as it is now?

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2024, 03:45:03 AM »
Offered by Flounder; 

   For more than a century, scientists have understood the basic physics behind why greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide cause warming. These gases make up just a small fraction of the atmosphere but exert outsized control on Earth’s climate by trapping some of the planet’s heat before it escapes into space. This greenhouse effect is important: It’s why a planet so far from the sun has liquid water and life!

   Sure, scientist have observed certain things, but that doesn't mean they abandon their own personal motives..  You want us to implicitly believe
  that the same "scientists" who told us that that covid came from a bat and the vax would pervent anyone from conracting the disease.

  Or perhaps the same "scientists" who claim a man can become a woman and get pregnant !  Maybe the same "scientists" who cannot even tell
  us what a woman is !

  No; things change over time...some percentage of any profession desert what they "profess" in search of filthy lucre..

  Example ?  At the founding of our nation, political offices were set up.. e.g. president, vice president, senators and congressmen..
 
   Over the years many performed their duties faithfully and honestly, indeed serving the people.  ..But then there were some who being elected,
  chose to abuse such trust, using their position to enrich temselves..

  Consider what many in recent years have discovered..that "studies" funded by millions of dollars, too often come up with an answer the
  money provider desires..  Remember, we live in a fallen world..

      " 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
    (1 Timothy 6:9,10)
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« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2024, 04:04:50 AM »
Old faggodactyl may covet money, butt, it’s lust of the root that’s foremost.

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2024, 04:24:37 AM »
Good morning boys!
What’s for breakfast? Multicolored word salad and blather totally devoid of any science? Yum!
PS- tieing COVID to climate change is genius. If you could only work Hillary into the equation you’d have a real “proven hypothesis” :)

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« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2024, 06:03:29 AM »
Research about climate change began long before NASA existed. Original research was performed in the 19th century.

Yeah, it its been found that the climate was changing before humans ever started burning fossil fuels.

When did it ever change as fast as it is now?

Obviously you are brain washed into the belief that it is changing fast.
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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2024, 08:04:08 AM »
The combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.11° Fahrenheit (0.06° Celsius) per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total. The rate of warming since 1982 is more than three times as fast: 0.36° F (0.20° C) per decade.
Correlation with the rise in CO2 has been repeatedly demonstrated via the scientific method.

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2024, 09:56:00 AM »
The combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.11° Fahrenheit (0.06° Celsius) per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total. The rate of warming since 1982 is more than three times as fast: 0.36° F (0.20° C) per decade.
Correlation with the rise in CO2 has been repeatedly demonstrated via the scientific method.

   Sorry Lizard;  That (which is in red) is still only an observation..not a demonstrated conclusion !  To be fair, it would be extremely difficult to
  demonstrate 2.5 billion years of climate cycles, or even a paltry 1 million years.  Hey, even 1,000 years would be hard to decipher, since no
  accurate weather records go back that far.

  So, is it not presumptive for "scientists" to absolutely declare future weather and it's cause, on such non-demonstrated "evidence'?

  So, how can these "scientists", confidently predict weather by 3/4ths a degree a century hence..based on a single, minor contribution>
 ?

  So you as well as they, completely overlook much more obvious factors toward opur climate/weather, than minor fluctuations in one minor factor.


  Interesting indeed, that lefties and those complacent "scientists" prefer to overlook this massive input or even governing factor concerning our
   climate;

   https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/sun-space-weather/what-space-weather
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« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2024, 01:27:13 PM »
LOL. On the contrary, the evidence is unequivocal!

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

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« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2024, 04:04:54 PM »
The Great thing here and now is: There is a new sheriff and these global warming, mask wearing, boys can get pregnant too promoters are going to be taking a back seat for awhile... :)

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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2024, 03:21:37 AM »
LOL. On the contrary, the evidence is unequivocal!

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

   Again; tjis time more slowly.....

  We...know...the ...climate ...changes,.. going ...through...cycles..... Now ..PROVE... to... us... that...my...lawnmower...or...my...neighbor's..Toyota...
   is....  causing ....it !     
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2024, 04:52:35 AM »
This about as slow as it goes. Hoping it works for you.
Good luck!

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/kids-guide-to-climate-change/

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2024, 06:33:03 AM »
This about as slow as it goes. Hoping it works for you.
Good luck!

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/kids-guide-to-climate-change/

  Uh-huh ! A simple little venue, and this phony government as it is now composed, is using it to brainwash children, even before they have a chance
   to think for themselves.

  Only problem for you, it looks like you are one of the very few on GBO, who is swallowing the corrupt party propaganda..

  ..And here, the propaganda site was designed to attract CHILDREN...  :D ;D
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2024, 10:54:24 AM »
And here I thought GuzziJohn had crawled back under his rock.

Roger

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Re: Proof; "climate change" is political, not scientific..
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2024, 12:28:36 PM »
Can't really expect much from Biden, and Harris voters except ignorance.
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.    Wm. Penn