Politics And The Bastardization of Organized Religion

[Dee]

Well, queerness knows no bounds as an obviously queer so called Episcopal bishop  chooses to lecture arguably the greatest American president to ever serve, on immorality.

The episcopal church obviously has decended into heathenism by: ONE. going against Biblical scripture and allowing a woman in the pulpit, and TWO. By going against Biblical scripture allowing a queer woman in their pulpit. A double heathen whammy,  anyway you look at it.

When an obviously demented religious leader  starts lecturing a president on morality, you know there is nothing of value in the lecture.

[nw_hunter]

Well we know what the Bible says about preaching. And Homosexuality! Some churches appear to disregard parts of the Bible they don't want to follow. The United Methodist, Some Assemblies of God, Anglican, Some Lutheran churches, the United Church Of Christ, and Episcopal among a few others allow Women to be pastors and preachers. It Boggles the mind!

[Dee]

Well we know what the Bible says about preaching. And Homosexuality! Some churches appear to disregard parts of the Bible they don't want to follow. The United Methodist, Some Assemblies of God, Anglican, Some Lutheran churches, the United Church Of Christ, and Episcopal among a few others allow Women to be pastors and preachers. It Boggles the mind!

Women pastors are just the obvious symptoms, and the Southern Baptist Convention and their churches are no better.
Preaching the actual Gospel,  is a thing of the past.

Woke politics is the order of the day in most churches regardless of denomination.  The left is in all things.

[GTS225]

And some wonder why I have no use for organized religion and declare myself a (passive) Agnostic.

Roger

[Lizard of Oz]

Well we know what the Bible says about false accusations.

Budde married her husband Paul in 1986. They have two sons

[ironglow]

Well we know what the Bible says about false accusations.

Budde married her husband Paul in 1986. They have two sons

  ... But I just bet there are a great number of guys across the country, who are thankful that they are not married to her !   

  I tried to find more info on the guy who is married to her...but I found zilch...  no photo, now statements, ZIP !  He must be in the witness
   protection program !   

    I did find more about her though..enough to know she makes a regular habit of stirring things up for the radical keft.  Apparently she is
    "boss man" for the Episcopal churches across the country...  No surprise then, why the Episcopal church is dying.

    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3296086/who-mariann-edgar-budde-washington-bishop-made-public-plea-trump-
    his-inauguration-service-and-he
 


 dying.

[gypsyman]

Well, queerness knows no bounds as an obviously queer so called Episcopal bishop  chooses to lecture arguably the greatest American president to ever serve, on immorality.

The episcopal church obviously has decended into heathenism by: ONE. going against Biblical scripture and allowing a woman in the pulpit, and TWO. By going against Biblical scripture allowing a queer woman in their pulpit. A double heathen whammy,  anyway you look at it.

When an obviously demented religious leader  starts lecturing a president on morality, you know there is nothing of value in the lecture.

   Might as well throw most religions under the bus. Catholics have been moving priests around for years after they've caught messing with the altar boys. Jews run the vast majority of the porn web site's. And in country's they control, Muslims still marry 7-8 year old girls.

[ironglow]

Well, queerness knows no bounds as an obviously queer so called Episcopal bishop  chooses to lecture arguably the greatest American president to ever serve, on immorality.

The episcopal church obviously has decended into heathenism by: ONE. going against Biblical scripture and allowing a woman in the pulpit, and TWO. By going against Biblical scripture allowing a queer woman in their pulpit. A double heathen whammy,  anyway you look at it.

When an obviously demented religious leader  starts lecturing a president on morality, you know there is nothing of value in the lecture.

   Might as well throw most religions under the bus. Catholics have been moving priests around for years after they've caught messing with the altar boys. Jews run the vast majority of the porn web site's. And in country's they control, Muslims still marry 7-8 year old girls.

   One must be selective.  There are good, gospel preaching churches out there, but they are usually not assoiciated with the large organizations.
   
  One should be reasonably familiar with the Bible and compare the preaching to the word of God.  We are a fallen, imperfect people, so no church is perfect !  If there was a "perfect" church..as soon as many of us get involved..it would be less than perfect .

   For a believer, staying away from church is not a good plan, since we need that fellowship and support that a good, Bible believing church offers.

  No, it is a free country and you do not have to do so..so it is the individual's choice...as it shoud be.

   Still, we are told by the Bible that we are not to avoid this valuable experience, especially since Christians are now entering into an era of
   rising repression.

  ..But it's your choice..

  24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.  (Hebrews 10: 24, 25)


 

[gypsyman]

  Mathew  7-12  Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you

[ironglow]

Our pastor and his wife went to India on a mission trip early this month, so my grandson preached a message to fill in.

   I think you will find that he is entirely in tune with the Bible.   Check him out and I think you will agree...

    https://www.facebook.com/100064618844442/videos/1601933500441298

  Perhaps because of the small town location among other things, we find church membership to be a satisfying experience..

   There are 3 churches located locally..and either of two, which I would be comfortable with.  The other comes close..but no cigar !

  These churches reach out to the surrounding community and help with the general tenor and attitude of the region.

 Membership in a solid, Bible adhering church is a positive for any family's life..  Still..everyone has been given free will..take it or trash it ..

[ironglow]

  Mathew  7-12  Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you

 May as well put it in context..with vs 13 and 14 added..

  " 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
The Narrow Way
13“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

[darkgael]

What I do not understand is the prohibition against women. What is wrong with with a  woman  being a pastor?

[gypsyman]

What I do not understand is the prohibition against women. What is wrong with with a  woman  being a pastor?

  They might want to move this over to the religious postings. But, several Bible passage's, 1 Timothy 2-11/12  and 1 Corinthians 14-34 have been interpeted to say that women should not lead in church. All depends on how you understand those passages.

[darkgael]

Thank you for the response. Neither passage says why

[ironglow]

Thank you for the response. Neither passage says why

     Some instructions by God are simply directives, withoiut explanation. There are  many commands given that have no immediate explanation.

  ...I guess in those situations, Good figures his word is enough.  In (1 Tim 2:12 and (1 Cor 14:34) (1 Tim 3:1-7) and (1 Cor 14:33, 34 inmstructions
   are given.

  The important part as I see it, is that trhese instructions were passed on...and never rescinded..

   That is not to mean that women have no duties or responsibilities, since there are plenty of things women can do....some which they generally
   speaking, are better equipped for than most men.

  To be a Bishop or Pastor, there are certain qualifications, such as these given in Titus;

  "3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?")   Does not fit description of a woman...

  Virtually repeated in 1 Tim 3;

  "3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
     

[darkgael]

“Does not fit description of a woman”
How is that? It is written to refer to men only. Ok. Why only men?! Is there something wrong with women?

[Graybeard]

“Does not fit description of a woman”
How is that? It is written to refer to men only. Ok. Why only men?! Is there something wrong with women?

Perhaps you should take up your line of questioning with GOD since it is HIS directive.

[gypsyman]

Thank you for the response. Neither passage says why

   God doesn't like DEI hires? 

[ironglow]

“Does not fit description of a woman”
How is that? It is written to refer to men only. Ok. Why only men?! Is there something wrong with women?

   Nothing wrong with women in the least.  I think almost everyone here will agree that they are more attractive than we men, more enticing than
   us, and have certain qualities that men do not possess in quantity.  Besides..where would we be without them ?

 There may be one or two exceptions to the rule.. here on GBO thouigh..     

   However, one can read all through scripture, how God has set up his institutions.. There is always a leader or head of any project or institution.

  Moses led the exodus, Zerubbabel le the team to rebuild the walls, Gideon led the forces to defeat the Midianites....and Jesus led his disciples.

  God set up the family in the same way..  As the Bible says, in  complete family, the husband leads..

  Even though we men may lead the family, perhaps more often than not, we defer to the wife's wishes.  I sure wish my wife were still living,
  just so I could have the pleasure of defering to her...  :'(

  It seems unfair to some, but perhaps you have noticed that "modern" families that claim that the Husband and wife are both heads of the
   household.

  How well do these arrangements work out?  Have you ever seen any thing in creation with two heads?  A two headed calf, lamb or horse..!

  God's design...one head !  It seems that multiple heads are only seen on beasts of the Revelation..

  Even were two heads common..one would need be dominant...or complete confusion would result..

  That "Bishop" in Washington, proved her unfitness for the job, when instead of giving an inspiring address, she launched into accusatory politics..

  Certain exceptions are allowed by God...where there is no man to lead..For example, with Naomi, who lost her husband and 2 sons to premature
   deaths.

  Naomi decided to move back to Israel from Moab, so she told her daughters-in-law, Orpah and Ruth that they may as well go home to their tribes, since she can no longer help them.
 
    It was then that Ruth entrteated Naomi to take her along with her to Israel..

   It was then that God blesseed Naomi and Ruth powerfully...and thus Ruth  became a progenitor of the human part of Jesus Himself.

  No; God built certain qualities into both men and women, among these special qualities are.. men= leader...women = nurturer..

   Below, see the familiar passage from the book of Ruth.. (Ruth 1:16-18)

    "16 But Ruth said:

“Entreat me not to leave you,
Or to turn back from following after you;
For wherever you go, I will go;
And wherever you lodge, I will lodge;
Your people shall be my people,
And your God, my God.
17 Where you die, I will die,
And there will I be buried.
The Lord do so to me, and more also,
If anything but death parts you and me.”

18 When she saw that she was determined to go with her, she stopped speaking to her."

  Sorry...if I got a bit too "preachy"..

[darkgael]

I appreciate your response preachy though it may be. Your knowledge of scripture is impressive. The references all support the “man as leader” premise. Yet….they all beg the question. Why?

[ironglow]

I appreciate your response preachy though it may be. Your knowledge of scripture is impressive. The references all support the “man as leader” premise. Yet….they all beg the question. Why? When was it that women got the vote? Why?

  I cannot answer for human history, inasmuch as women were not given the vote until recently, but a scriptural reason I can offer.

  Back in Genesis 2, God designed marriage..where in His plan the two would become one..  Here is the quote;

   " 21And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
23And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."

  The key is in the last sentence...THE TWO BECOME ONE FLESH..

   Since western civilization until recently, was very predominantly Christian, this was taken seriously.  I can only speak from my own experience and
    conjecture, whereby the wife and I truly believed in the "one flesh" as a God established fact.

  Being of one flesh and mind, if one or the other were not allowed to vote..the voting half would be of the same opinion, and competent to vote for
   both.  ...And likely, that is what the thought pattern was until the 20th century.

   Today, so many have slipped away from the original Christian faith and practice, that they no longer can relate to what motivated western
    civilization for 2,000 years.  ...Thus, there is confusion.

  Christianity so permeated western civilization as to be the prime motivating factor... Note the following quote, attributed to our founding father,
   John Adams;

     " Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

  Is this perchance why we have come into so much turmoil in recent years?  Clearly, there is a segment who do not respect our US Constitution..

[darkgael]

“Being of one flesh and mind, if one or the other were not allowed to vote..the voting half would be of the same opinion, and competent to vote for    both.  ...And likely, that is what the thought pattern was until the 20th century.”
I agree that was the thought pattern. Is that, was that, really true? Was the assumption that the “voting half” was competent to vote for both true? In any case, It is a mindset that deprives women of the right to choose. What about all the women who were not married (not that it really matters)?

[ironglow]

“Being of one flesh and mind, if one or the other were not allowed to vote..the voting half would be of the same opinion, and competent to vote for    both.  ...And likely, that is what the thought pattern was until the 20th century.”
I agree that was the thought pattern. Is that, was that, really true? Was the assumption that the “voting half” was competent to vote for both true? In any case, It is a mindset that deprives women of the right to choose. What about all the women who were not married (not that it really matters)?

  I can only speak from my experience. For us, we were in agreement concerning any such issues.  Being married, we discussed things, and  arrived
   at the same conclusions.  That was likely primarily because we were from very similar family & faith backgrounds...which is likely why scripture
    tells us not to be "unequally yoked".. (2 Corinthians 6:14)  It would seem that if a couple do not communicate enough to find agreement, voting
     choices, would be a minor problem.   

  ..But this strays ar from the issue at hand. 

   Of course, staying single is a viable choice and there are other small burdens brought on by some choices we make..

    In retrospect, I don't see where adoption of the 19th amendment has greatly changed election outcomes since 1920...

   

[darkgael]

“  Christianity so permeated western civilization” Yes, it did. What I find strange is that for the better part of
16 centuries Christianity meant Roman Catholicism, a faith much maligned around here

[darkgael]

“  In retrospect, I don't see where adoption of the 19th amendment has greatly changed election outcomes since 1920.…That is a very broad statement. The effect of the enfranchisement of women on elections is also beside the point.

[JoeG52]

I appreciate your response preachy though it may be. Your knowledge of scripture is impressive. The references all support the “man as leader” premise. Yet….they all beg the question. Why?

I think Genesis Chapter3 gives the best answer for that.

[ironglow]

“  Christianity so permeated western civilization” Yes, it did. What I find strange is that for the better part of
16 centuries Christianity meant Roman Catholicism, a faith much maligned around here

  Not entirely accurate, although RC did hold the greater percentage of political power.

[ironglow]

I appreciate your response preachy though it may be. Your knowledge of scripture is impressive. The references all support the “man as leader” premise. Yet….they all beg the question. Why?

I think Genesis Chapter3 gives the best answer for that.

  Note: In Gen 3, Adam did not hold to his responsibilities, since he should have corrected Eve when she dealt with the serpent, and again when
  she offered him the fruit.

  When God questioned Adam, he tried to shift blame upon Eve..  The essence of "the fall of mankind'..

[Lloyd Smale]

i would argue that. there are only a couple pot stirrers blind with hate that take every chance they can to bash Catholics. to blind with hate to even realize they are playing into the hands of the leftist hate of all things Christian. most here understand that no church makes you a Christian. that's up to you. what is true is the left definitely HATES catholics! Why? because they are the largest and most powerful church and they know if they can break down the big guy and turn us against each other the rest will follow. sad truth be told theyre are probably some good Christains that even attend episcopal churches. my guess is not every episcopal minister is teaching warped doctrine that lessie bishop is.

“  Christianity so permeated western civilization” Yes, it did. What I find strange is that for the better part of
16 centuries Christianity meant Roman Catholicism, a faith much maligned around here

[ironglow]

  Mankind; we all have our warts...some have huge, glaring ones, others small, barely perceptable ones.  ..And this is true of mankind since the fall,
   when both Adam and Eve were driven from the garden.
   
   Fact is, when many think of the word "church", they picture a building; but a church is made up of people..warts, beauty spots and all !

  As members, we are constantly doing our best to erase the warts....starting with ourselves..

  My Dad used to have an old saying, tha goes like this;

    "So long as you're green..you are growing.  Just about the time you consider yourself ripe...you are already turning rotten" !

    So let's keep growing..to avoid any chance of going rotten !