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If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« on: January 30, 2025, 07:02:54 AM »
….,, the Afghanistan exit debacle isn’t Trump responsible for the Potomac Army helicopter crash?
Should we be calling for his resignation?
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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2025, 07:37:30 AM »
If you carefully watch the crash video, it is CLEAR that the helicopter, flying at the same altitude from left to right, lights blinking, a LONG way, ran into the plane.  Case of FAA Flight or helicopter pilot error as plane was on final approach.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2025, 08:01:39 AM »
….,, the Afghanistan exit debacle isn’t Trump responsible for the Potomac Army helicopter crash?
Should we be calling for his resignation?
  Little difference between a direct order, and circumstance. That looks like you got confused between throwing mud at a wall to see if it sticks, and your mirror!
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2025, 08:27:10 AM »
To much, to many, to late.  There was a last minute runway change and while we'll probably never know for sure, had the plane not had to change run ways......If the air space wasn't so busy.   If, If, If.

There will be a come to Jesus meeting to determine who shot John.   Probably many, over several months.

Lots of grieving mothers, fathers, family and friends.  They're the ones who have to make peace with the loss.  Blessed are those who morn for they shall be comforted. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2025, 08:40:59 AM »
Y'all should know better than to argue with the mentally challenged.  That's like having a fist fight with a toddler. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2025, 11:17:56 AM »
  A lot of ignorance being passed around.  While I was driving this morning, I heard Pres Trump explain how Pres Obama lowered the standards for ATCs,
  for the sake of DEI.

   Then I heard Pres Trump say that an ATC job is no place to play DEI games, so he reinstituted the original higher standards.

  Then Pres Biden came into office and lowered the standards below even where Obama had them.

  Yes, Pres Trump did imply that such could have played into the situation... but at no time did he say that DEI
  was  the cause of the accident !

  He left the final conclusion to the final investigation and it's results.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2025, 02:46:31 PM »
All I hear from faggodactyl is, yip yip yip and translates to (why I ought to come off this porch and piss in the yard, butt, I’m too busy biting my pillow.

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2025, 03:08:47 PM »
If you carefully watch the crash video, it is CLEAR that the helicopter, flying at the same altitude from left to right, lights blinking, a LONG way, ran into the plane.  Case of FAA Flight or helicopter pilot error as plane was on final approach.

DEI policies or hires maybe?

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2025, 04:50:17 PM »
….,, the Afghanistan exit debacle isn’t Trump responsible for the Potomac Army helicopter crash?
Should we be calling for his resignation?

Who is we?  But nice try.  There is an obvious difference however.  Stupid Biden could have prevented,  or at least avenged the Afghan screw up.  Bo Jiden did nothing.  President Trump will most likely see that something gets changed in regard to air traffic. 
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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2025, 12:19:15 AM »
Everything BIDEN touched turned to shite...

Obama KNEW this when in 2020 Barak said:


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Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f–k things up.


https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/barack-obama-was-right-to-be-wary-of-joe-bidens-ability-to-f-k-things-up/

And Joe instituted EXTREMELY LOW STANDARDS through DEI in the FAA Tower by disallowing extremely talented "white boys and girls" - racist PIG. 

The Trail of Tears started long ago leading to this moment in history. This blood is on Joe's hands.

Facts are evidence.  A single controller working two aircraft (possibly on different frequencies), 1/3 understaffed in the airport Control Tower, inadequate tower instructions, confusion or loss of attention in the helicopter cockpit maybe(?), the list goes on.




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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2025, 01:31:05 AM »
….,, the Afghanistan exit debacle isn’t Trump responsible for the Potomac Army helicopter crash?
Should we be calling for his resignation?

How is that even comparable? Biden was in charge of the Afghanistan debacle. Trump wasn't flying the plane, or helicopter, and had nothing at all to do with it. You shouldn't let your intelligence shine so brightly, or lack thereof it. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2025, 01:35:08 AM »
Trump is right about aviation safety
By Matthew G. Andersson

When accidents occur, it is usually not a good idea to overly speculate about the causes. The tragedy involving an airline aircraft and military helicopter at Reagan National Airport will be formally investigated, and many recommendations will be made.

In the meantime, President Trump, the Vice President, and the Secretary of Defense, all made appropriate and unusually smart public statements, and thoughtfully answered many press questions. President Trump especially, zeroed in on how the prior Biden administration, and the prior Transportation secretary, turned our nation’s aviation system into a DEI hiring program, and lost their focus on fundamental factors that reinforce safety.

This included pressuring airlines, air traffic control, the FAA, and the military, into favoring people on factors outside strict qualification. Worse than that, however, it included a government hiring program for individuals and groups with cognitive disabilities into critical safety roles. That, obviously, is unacceptable.

The primary safety factor, as the President explained, is having the right people in the right jobs doing the right things. In technical jobs like aviation, it is merit, experience and hard qualifications that matter, and matter most.

Going forward, the country’s airline, air traffic control, and military sectors will have a stronger, renewed mandate on human fitness, skill, experience, and performance.

I’m not suggesting that prior political policy led directly to this tragedy; however, the ways that our political leaders communicate, or don’t communicate, along with how they display leadership in critical times, has profound effects downstream on business and government concerning their confidence, morale, and performance expectations.

Trump is setting new expectations, and this will strengthen greatly one of the most vital components of our economy, and of our national security: aviation, aerospace, and defense.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2025, 03:23:51 AM »
  After a hitch with the Navy when she was young..trained and served as an ATC, my neice came home just in time to replace some of those
  Insurrectionist ATCs rthat Pres Reagan had to fire.

  She recently retired, but was enticed back into the business to serve more, as a trainer of future ATCs.

   A couple years ago, when I heard trhat sleepy Joe was cutting standards for those assigned to keep the flying public safe, I asked her how
   she handles her job.

  She said she does the best with what she's handed..and further hinted that she had a way to weed out the seriously defective.

  Of course, it is a nationwide program, and we cannot know how other trainers are handling it ..
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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2025, 03:49:10 AM »
“Should we be calling for his resignation”?

Wow!
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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2025, 04:16:52 AM »
Truman- “The buck stops here”
Trump- “The buck never ever stops here”

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2025, 05:45:52 AM »
It appears that Guzzi is still watching the American hating CNN liars network.
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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2025, 07:42:46 AM »
“AI Overview    +2 At a busy airport, an air traffic controller might manage an average of between 20 and 60 aircraft movements per hour”
It is a busy job. How well the controllers handled the job is subject to investigation. This has yet to occur. Do any of you know how much experience the controllers on the job had? Were they recent DEI hires or people with years of experience?

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2025, 09:14:59 AM »
Quote from: Lizard of Oz
isn’t Trump responsible for the Potomac Army helicopter crash?

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This statement is a regurgitated leftist whacko lie...
Butt, what do you expect from indoctrinated, stupid, leftists :).

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Re: If Joe was responsible for ……,,
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2025, 10:02:36 AM »
“AI Overview    +2 At a busy airport, an air traffic controller might manage an average of between 20 and 60 aircraft movements per hour”
It is a busy job. How well the controllers handled the job is subject to investigation. This has yet to occur. Do any of you know how much experience the controllers on the job had? Were they recent DEI hires or people with years of experience?

 listening to local talk show host (WBEN) David Bellavia  (Medal of honor winner, Iraq)  this morning..  David still has contacts with some in Pentagon,
   who told him the chopper was flying too high.   ...One of the things Pres Trump suggested.

  Chopper was suppposed to  be at 200 ft., not 400 ft.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2025, 10:23:27 AM »
“AI Overview    +2 At a busy airport, an air traffic controller might manage an average of between 20 and 60 aircraft movements per hour”
It is a busy job. How well the controllers handled the job is subject to investigation. This has yet to occur. Do any of you know how much experience the controllers on the job had? Were they recent DEI hires or people with years of experience?

No. Butt, I do know from a former air traffic controller that one of the dirtbags for President that you voted for lowered the # of qualified White air traffic controllers... proof? wnd.com article Former air traffic controller says short staffing is ‘attributable to the obama administration’ by Mariane Angela

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2025, 10:36:39 AM »
Truman- “The buck stops here”
Trump- “The buck never ever stops here”


  Yeah! ...And is it possible that some bucks stop with Joe too..Also a big bunch of Chinese Yuan currency along with them !

   ...And maybe more go to the crime family..   ;) :D
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2025, 01:26:20 PM »
“AI Overview    +2 At a busy airport, an air traffic controller might manage an average of between 20 and 60 aircraft movements per hour”
It is a busy job. How well the controllers handled the job is subject to investigation. This has yet to occur. Do any of you know how much experience the controllers on the job had? Were they recent DEI hires or people with years of experience?

No. Butt, I do know from a former air traffic controller that one of the dirtbags for President that you voted for lowered the # of qualified White air traffic controllers... proof? wnd.com article Former air traffic controller says short staffing is ‘attributable to the obama administration’ by Mariane Angela

That would be the homo Pete Buttigieg who was Biden's pathetic secartary of Transportation. Again he wasn't qulified for the job, but hey he was a homo.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2025, 01:59:01 PM »
Here is likely what Trump is talking about...

This is what is on the FAA recruiting website.... look at it closely. Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in aircraft flight control???

ON THE SPOT HIRING>

Proof of Disability: An individual wishing to be hired under the FAA On-the-Spot hiring authority for persons with disabilities (Schedule A (5 C.F.R. 213.3102(u)) must provide proof he or she is indeed an individual with severe intellectual disabilities, severe physical disabilities or psychiatric disabilities.

https://www.faa.gov/jobs/search_jobs/direct_hiring_authorities#:~:text=Proof%20of%20Disability%3A%20An%20individual,physical%20disabilities%20or%20psychiatric%20disabilities.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2025, 03:09:05 PM »
Hiring. In addition to the above the criteria for hiring are further defined as:Certification of Job Readiness: An individual hired under this authority must be ready to perform the job for which they are being considered. This certification is a statement that the individual is likely to succeed in the performance of the duties of the position for which he or she is applying. For instance, the certification of job readiness for an individual applying for a position as an Administrative Assistant or an Accountant may state that the "individual is likely to succeed performing work in an office environment." This certification of job readiness may be obtained from the same individuals that provided the proof of disability. The certification may be on the same documentation as the proof of disability or it may be a separate document. The applicant is physically qualified to do the work without hazard to self or others”
The point is that the info cited so far is not job specific . There is no reference to Air traffic control. Note that the two positions that are used as examples are office jobs

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2025, 03:28:18 PM »
OK......Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in Federal Office work????  Give me a break?!

When do we want these afflictions present in any office environment?
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2025, 01:35:45 AM »
OK......Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in Federal Office work????  Give me a break?!

When do we want these afflictions present in any office environment?

Or people taking any kind of drugs. Even prescription drugs like SSRI's
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2025, 03:23:49 AM »


Seems like an awful lot of insanity in that link from the FAA's site.
A pilot would be grounded for ANY of those conditions, but it's ok for the folks who tell them where to go?
I think not.

Roger

Here is likely what Trump is talking about...

This is what is on the FAA recruiting website.... look at it closely. Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in aircraft flight control???

ON THE SPOT HIRING>

Proof of Disability: An individual wishing to be hired under the FAA On-the-Spot hiring authority for persons with disabilities (Schedule A (5 C.F.R. 213.3102(u)) must provide proof he or she is indeed an individual with severe intellectual disabilities, severe physical disabilities or psychiatric disabilities.

https://www.faa.gov/jobs/search_jobs/direct_hiring_authorities#:~:text=Proof%20of%20Disability%3A%20An%20individual,physical%20disabilities%20or%20psychiatric%20disabilities.
OK......Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in Federal Office work????  Give me a break?!

When do we want these afflictions present in any office environment?
OK......Since when do we want people with schizophrenia and learning disabilities involved in Federal Office work????  Give me a break?!

When do we want these afflictions present in any office environment?

Or people taking any kind of drugs. Even prescription drugs like SSRI's
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2025, 05:50:42 AM »
Let’s get back on topic here. Orange man bad... More TDS please. Been LMAO at the lunatics :)
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2025, 08:51:10 AM »
  While I can sympathize with those suffering from schizophrenia, drug problems or Mother-hates-me syndrome.  ..And in a especially benevolent day,
    even lend a bit of understanding for those suffering from TDS....

  .. I still don't think air passengers and people on the ground by the hundreds, should be placed in a position where they have their lives in the
  hands of any such defective mind...
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2025, 11:12:20 AM »
Hey action  do we want these afflictions present in any office environment?”  So what do we do with them?
We hide them away so we don’t have to look at them.