Totally irrational..

[ironglow]

  Now we see the Democrats holding rallies, and unruly gatherings, pledging to RESIST !  They are even joined by some members of congress.
   So, judging by their protests, it would seem they are dtermined to RESIST the people's choice and continue to support the following..

 1) Spending billions on LGBTQ, trans and homosexual assistance programs around the world.

 2) Spending millions to produce queer social clubs, hamster fights and dead shrimp events.

 3) Refusing to support a wall on our border

 4) Invite in all the refugees the world can send us, regaredless of their real or percieved need

 5) Invite in the habitual criminals and released mental patients of the world.

 6) Give safe harbor to the terrorists sent here by our enemy states.

 7) Promote the gender confusion of our youth in school.

  Advocate for mutilation of the youth and even small children.

 9) Pursue the elimination of Christians and their values, from the public discourse.

 10) Promote the disintegration of the family unit..

 11) Advocate and promote Marxism in our nation.

 12) Example.. Sent 159 million dollars to build schools in Pakistan..and no schools were built !

      These are just a few such demands and desires they radical left seems to endorse.  So long as they insist on dying upon IRRATIONAL HILL,
  I suppose then, that we may as well let them commit political suicide..

[Land_Owner]

Yes. Yes. Yes.


As the Swamp drains, the Pollywogs in the dirty bottom have less and less oxygen and cannot stay hydrated.  Soon, and very soon, the sun will dry the remaining water up. The Pollywogs will die completely...of course, we should let "Donald, Elon, and Pam" use a magnifying glass and the mid-day sunlight to fry a few backsides in the meantime.

[darkgael]

IG: You are a truly dangerous man. Purport to report the truth...and that is true for some of what you write....some of it. The remainder is often a hodgepodge of speculation. You write well enough to present the speculation as truth. but it is not the truth; it is a mixture of maybe, might be, it seems to be, it could be. You are buoyed on this site by a host of men who are ever quite willing to accept your speculations as true.

About resisting the People's choice: let me remind you that Mr. Trump is a minority president (as he was in 2016) 49.8% of the popular vote (pretty close for sure). Most of "the people" voted for someone else.

[ironglow]

IG: You are a truly dangerous man. Purport to report the truth...and that is true for some of what you write....some of it. The remainder is often a hodgepodge of speculation. You write well enough to present the speculation as truth. but it is not the truth; it is a mixture of maybe, might be, it seems to be, it could be. You are buoyed on this site by a host of men who are ever quite willing to accept your speculations as true.

About resisting the People's choice: let me remind you that Mr. Trump is a minority president (as he was in 2016) 49.8% of the popular vote (pretty close for sure). Most of "the people" voted for someone else.

  I need not say a word, since you have upended yourself, when you said he is a MINORITY president..

[ironglow]

IG: You are a truly dangerous man. Purport to report the truth...and that is true for some of what you write....some of it. The remainder is often a hodgepodge of speculation. You write well enough to present the speculation as truth. but it is not the truth; it is a mixture of maybe, might be, it seems to be, it could be. You are buoyed on this site by a host of men who are ever quite willing to accept your speculations as true.

About resisting the People's choice: let me remind you that Mr. Trump is a minority president (as he was in 2016) 49.8% of the popular vote (pretty close for sure). Most of "the people" voted for someone else.

 I listed 12 [points, what do you find to be inaccurate ?  ..let's discuss it !

[darkgael]

“ I need not say a word, since you have upended yourself, when you said he is a MINORITY president.”
In the sense that the Majority of voters cast their ballots for someone else.
The 12 points: four through eleven are speculative at best,
The radical left “seems to endorse.”
“Seems”? Do they or not?

[ironglow]

“ I need not say a word, since you have upended yourself, when you said he is a MINORITY president.”
In the sense that the Majority of voters cast their ballots for someone else.
The 12 points: four through eleven are speculative at best,
The radical left “seems to endorse.”
“Seems”? Do they or not?

   
   So, what is your evidence that Trump was recently elected by a MINORITY ? No, the majority did not vote for someone else, in that he won th epopular vote as well as the electoral college.  ...And many political observers believe he brought along the house and senate with him.

  "The radical left “seems to endorse.”     True, the rad-left does appear to endorse all those points ! I leave the reader to decide
   if THEY think I am correct on my assments.  That is freedom's way !

  As I see it, I fostered no untruths; but if you can point out any, have at it !

  Note: You did not point out a single one of the 12, that you are willing to debate.

  To say I am a "truly dangerous man", indeed brought a chuckle, since that is how the radical left views President Trump...  I am flattered..    

     

   

 

[darkgael]

About the minority note. Mr. Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote. Even rounding up that to 50 percent does not change the fact that half the country did not vote for him. He operates as if he was given a mandate. He was not

[Land_Owner]

I consider myself to be a mathmatician. You are very welcome to think what you like, even splitting technical hairs. The obvious is clear to most.

The rest of us are gleeful in the way that Donald J Trump has taken the reins of the presidency from lying, thieving, cognitively declined, and feckless Joe Biden. Sufficient (landslide) change in positive outcome attitude has "effectively" undone the vote. Maybe we cannot officially prove the dominant change of hearts but they exist. We The People.like winning

REAL Swamp Draining, Making America Great Again, has been unleashed like a West Wind of change. We observe daily the MSM and Democrat Party misinformation, lies, closing ranks, villification of President Trump and Elon Musk, as well as their soon to be individually, long standing abuses against the American Middle Class and American Taxpayer - because the Democrats have NOTHING ELSE. Common Sense is neither Republican nor Democrat. It is America's Royal Flush.

If that is over your head, or contradictory to your World View, then look in a mirror because "the problem" isn't Common Sense. From there, the road ahead is a singular one-lane blacktop stretching to infinity through rooms containing neither windows nor doors for the most persistent of.nay sayers.

[darkgael]

About the minority note. Mr. Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote. Even rounding up that to 50 percent does not change the fact that half the country did not vote for him. He operates as if he was given a mandate. He was not,
Referring to your list - #4,5,6 are just not so…at least not the way that you have phrased them. Perhaps you could find a more accurate word than “invite”.
Items 9, 10, 11 are, evidently, based on your own skewed perception of the general rejection of the small vocal claims about how others should think

[DDZ]

About the minority note. Mr. Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote. Even rounding up that to 50 percent does not change the fact that half the country did not vote for him. He operates as if he was given a mandate. He was not,
Referring to your list - #4,5,6 are just not so…at least not the way that you have phrased them. Perhaps you could find a more accurate word than “invite”.
Items 9, 10, 11 are, evidently, based on your own skewed perception of the general rejection of the small vocal claims about how others should think

In case you dont understand we elect presidents by electoral votes. Not a popular vote. Why do leftists always talk about the popular vote when it doesn't matter.  Go look at an election map. Trump got a mandate. Everybody knows that the democrats vote totals come mostly from democratic run large cities, where they enslave people by handing out freebies, to buy votes. If you don't believe this, again go look at an election map. Especially a county by county election map. The democrats party of theft is over. Trump is cleaning up the mess, and you should be happy about that.   

[darkgael]

We elect the president by electoral vote. i do understand that. i do. The electoral system is deeply flawed. It disenfranchises people. Take, for example, a state with 20 electoral votes. The popular vote gives 60 percent to one candidate. That candidate gets all 20 electoral votes as if everyone voted for him.
but 40% did not.
You say that the popular vote doesn't matter. Whatever happened to the will of the people?
Why do leftists always talk about the popular vote when it doesnt  matter?
So....believing that every vote should count makes a person a leftist? is that what you are saying?
Here is an idea:  Since everyone know that democrats buy the votes in big cities, lets disqualify votes from big cities and just count votes from rural America? You OK with that?

[Graybeard]

You OK with that?

Yup pretty much so.

[DDZ]

We elect the president by electoral vote. i do understand that. i do. The electoral system is deeply flawed. It disenfranchises people. Take, for example, a state with 20 electoral votes. The popular vote gives 60 percent to one candidate. That candidate gets all 20 electoral votes as if everyone voted for him.
but 40% did not.
You say that the popular vote doesn't matter. Whatever happened to the will of the people?
Why do leftists always talk about the popular vote when it doesn't  matter?
So....believing that every vote should count makes a person a leftist? is that what you are saying?
Here is an idea:  Since everyone know that democrats buy the votes in big cities, lets disqualify votes from big cities and just count votes from rural America? You OK with that?

Again we don't elect by a popular vote. Get over it. No the electoral college system doesn't disenfranchise people. A state like California gets 55 electoral votes, while a state like Wyoming gets 3 votes. How that works, is it gives advantage to larger states. Yet give smaller states a voice in the election. In a popular vote system candidates would ignore smaller states in favor of densely populated areas, and giant media markets, which tend to be the bigger states. So the people in smaller states would be disenfranchised.  We don't need a leftist democratic mob electing the president with a popular vote. A popular vote would lead to nothing but mob rule.  The founding fathers knew what they were doing.  In 2020 the democrats stole votes in democratic controlled cities in every swing state. Hence they stole the 2020 election, and at this point I'm glad they did. And yes I'm fine with disqualifying votes in big democratic controlled cities. Especially those that don't have any skin in the game by paying taxes. Tell me how its fair that someone that lives off tax payers backs gets to vote money out of tax payers pockets?   

[ironglow]

About the minority note. Mr. Trump received 49.8% of the popular vote. Even rounding up that to 50 percent does not change the fact that half the country did not vote for him. He operates as if he was given a mandate. He was not

  Sure, the election was muddied somewhat  by 2 other candidates..Stein and Chase.  ..But of course, national candidates are elected by
   the electoral vote, and that came out  Harris= 226, Trump =312.  Not just a win..but also a majority win...as well as being a mandate..

  Of course in the OP list, I maintain that numbers 4, 5 and 6 are true..even though you may find it difficult to admit it.  Proof trhat they allowed all kinds to simply walk into our country unbothered..id now being demonstrated by the sharp reduction of people trying to invade the US.
   In some places, entry points that faced thousands dailyare down to about 20 attempted invaders..sometimes none.

   Being as those millions were willing to break our laws trying to enter..obviously, the wide open border was tantamount to a straight out INVITE !

   So far as numbers 9, 10 and 11..

  9) Persuing the elimination of Christians and their values..  A value strongly held by many Christians is "pro-life'..  When
   abortuaries were in any way attacked  th eJustice Dept was quick to prosecute..which would be right for any physical attack. 
   However, when pro-life baby saving clinics or pro-life churches were attacked over their convictions..prosecutions were either non-existent or
   nearly so.

   They even sentenced to long terms, young mothers and aged grandmothers, for praying outside an abortion mill .

   Also, perverse life styles are not a Christian value...you may have noticed..

 10) Promote ther disintegration of the family...  By promoting LGBTQ..which is all about breaking up nuclear families.  ..And
   promoting the sterilization of young boys and girls..which of course..eliminates any chance at a family.

 11) Advocate and promote Marxism.    Their drive for "socialism" ..which  Vladimir Lenin himself said, is the gateway to Communism.

  Bothe Hillary and Obama consider Saul Alinsky to be one of their prime mentors.  Bernie boasts of being a "Socialist Democrat and spent his
   honeymoon in Moscow...  this at a time when visits could only be arranged by "fellow travellers" !

     Oh, and by the way..why not #8.. Advocate for the mutilation and sterilization of youth and even small children..

  How does that not work out as pro family and it's values?  Are you in favor of this move by the lefties?

   Biden's injustice dept lists traditional Catholics as terrorists..

  https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against

  Strange; we,ve had traditional Catholics aroiund since the colonial days...no problem until now...and only with the leftists..

[gene_225]

 No the electoral college system doesn't disenfranchise people. A state like California gets 55 electoral votes, while a state like Wyoming gets 3 votes. How that works, is it gives advantage to larger states. Yet give smaller states a voice in the election. In a popular vote system candidates would ignore smaller states in favor of densely populated areas, and giant media markets, which tend to be the bigger states. So the people in smaller states would be disenfranchised.  We don't need a leftist democratic mob electing the president with a popular vote. A popular vote would lead to nothing but mob rule.  The founding fathers knew what they were doing.

If I recall, correctly, the goal was for the state legislators to decide who got the electoral college votes anyway based on how the election went much like the Senators were to be selected by the state legislators. We sure wouldn't have all this party nonsense if that was how it was run.

[ironglow]

The electoral college helps to balance the vote.  Our nation is composed of a land and it's people..  The states with large populations, chiefly in their cities,have many more representatives in the house, so in their wisdom, the founders gave each state 2 senators.

  byu the same token our founding fathers decided to allow the least populous states a chance by designing the electoral college, so those lesser populated states get some voice in their destiny.

   If everything were decided by popular vote only, we would have in effect, a democracy...juist about the worst form of government possible..

[darkgael]

“.  “We don't need a leftist democratic mob electing the president with a popular vote. A popular vote would lead to nothing but mob rule.  The founding fathers knew what they were doing.”
Yes, they did. There is a lot of truth in what you have written. What I object to is the characterization of a popular vote being a “leftist democratic mob”. What about the “rightist”vote? Would they not stand against the left?
How much of a problem would a rightist democratic mob be?
“If everything were decided by popular vote only, we would have in effect, a democracy...juist about the worst form of government possible.” True. Democracy is a messy business.

[DDZ]

How much of a problem would a rightist democratic mob be?

Well I don't think it would be a problem at all. Leftism beliefs are a mixture of Marxism, Fascism, and postmodernism. Marxist belief is that there is no difference between people, Fascism belief is to shut people up, and use force to do so. Postmodernism beliefs are there is no absolute truth, and that God is absent, or that belief is a mistake. On top of that is wanting open borders, Hating America for what it is. Everything is racist, and they want to dissolve American sovereignty. The left doesn't see the nuclear family as a necessity. There are many more beliefs the left carries that lead to the destruction of America, and our constitutional republic. Some of the meanest, most hateful people carry leftist views. That is just from personal observation.   

Being conservative or rightist as you say. Is the idea of preserving Our Constitutional republic, and American sovereignty. Conservatism is a more practical, generous, and compassionate way to live. Conservatives believe in free markets, property rights, and the basic tenets of the constitution. So I see nothing wrong with rightist mob. America would be a better place with it.

[darkgael]

Response much appreciated. Well said .

[ironglow]

How much of a problem would a rightist democratic mob be?

Well I don't think it would be a problem at all. Leftism beliefs are a mixture of Marxism, Fascism, and postmodernism. Marxist belief is that there is no difference between people, Fascism belief is to shut people up, and use force to do so. Postmodernism beliefs are there is no absolute truth, and that God is absent, or that belief is a mistake. On top of that is wanting open borders, Hating America for what it is. Everything is racist, and they want to dissolve American sovereignty. The left doesn't see the nuclear family as a necessity. There are many more beliefs the left carries that lead to the destruction of America, and our constitutional republic. Some of the meanest, most hateful people carry leftist views. That is just from personal observation.   

Being conservative or rightist as you say. Is the idea of preserving Our Constitutional republic, and American sovereignty. Conservatism is a more practical, generous, and compassionate way to live. Conservatives believe in free markets, property rights, and the basic tenets of the constitution. So I see nothing wrong with rightist mob. America would be a better place with it.

  THAT... is a fine synopsis, DDZ !

[darkgael]

Despite the fact that DDZ wrote a fine synopsis, there remain a few talking points. Marxism does not say that there is no difference between people. A central tenet of Marxist theory is that “from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Some folk are more capable than others. Our own Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal. That is often taken to mean that there is no difference between people. Not true.
American sovereignty? In what sense do you mean that?
No absolute truth? Sure there  are. Lots of absolute  truths. “Everything is racist”. Everything??
Mean, hateful people? I have had exchanges with two individuals on this board who fit to a T the classic definition of psychopath

[NWBear]

A little background on the Electoral College; the founding fathers did not believe the general electorate were “capable” of selecting proper people to the Presidency and Vice Presidency (in the beginning the VP was the one who came second in the Presidential election.)  Two Senators was a nod to smaller states.  Also remember the “electorate” was white, male, landowners ONLY.  Senators and Electors were originally selected by the States Legislators.

[DDZ]

Despite the fact that DDZ wrote a fine synopsis, there remain a few talking points. Marxism does not say that there is no difference between people. A central tenet of Marxist theory is that “from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Some folk are more capable than others. Our own Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal. That is often taken to mean that there is no difference between people. Not true.

  Yes the declaration does say that all men are created equal, meaning all men have the same opportunity to chase the American dream. Marx's ideas led to communism which everywhere its been tried led to tyranny, and crushing poverty. Marx's idea was that the rich trampled the poor, so transfer of wealth was needed. So in places there are differences of outcome its assumed its due to oppression. So the perceived oppressors are attacked, while empowering the oppressed. What stems from this idea are things like. High taxation for the rich, White privilege, feminism, and defunding the police. Which all have become quite popular. On top of that the Bible nowhere argues for equality, or equality of outcome.

American sovereignty? In what sense do you mean that?
How about for instance of signing on with the Kyoto treaty that would transfer mass amounts of wealth to foreign countries, and give up power to international bureaucracy's. How about Obama and the UN human rights treaty?  We have had our fair share of globalist leaders Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden, and many in congress. which lead to transferring power to foreign governments. 

No absolute truth? Sure there  are. Lots of absolute  truths.
Yes there are lots of absolute truths. I was saying that the postmodernism view which stems from the left, says there are no absolute truths.

 “Everything is racist”. Everything??
I think you know what I meant. Again its cultural Marxism being played out. The left believes that white people are fundamentality part of the oppressive system that keeps minorities down. Especially blacks. So the idea is that the perceived white supremacy needs to be toppled. Even if a white person isn't racist they are thought to be, because the thought is they are part of a system that lifts them up, and keeps others down. If you haven't seen this you are not paying much attention.

Mean, hateful people? I have had exchanges with two individuals on this board who fit to a T the classic definition of psychopath
Yes hateful people. To me the most hateful people I see are leftists. Again if you haven't seen this you are not paying much attention. Not all leftists are hateful, but a larger majority are compared to conservatives. Just look at society in general. Again look at all the riots in the last number of years. I can't remember any that were instituted by conservatives, but all were instituted by radical left people and organizations.

[DDZ]

A little background on the Electoral College; the founding fathers did not believe the general electorate were “capable” of selecting proper people to the Presidency and Vice Presidency (in the beginning the VP was the one who came second in the Presidential election.)  Two Senators was a nod to smaller states.  Also remember the “electorate” was white, male, landowners ONLY.  Senators and Electors were originally selected by the States Legislators.

So do you think the founders were wrong in creating the electoral college? Do you think a popular vote is a better idea?

[NWBear]

Yes

[gene_225]

A little background on the Electoral College; the founding fathers did not believe the general electorate were “capable” of selecting proper people to the Presidency and Vice Presidency (in the beginning the VP was the one who came second in the Presidential election.)  Two Senators was a nod to smaller states.  Also remember the “electorate” was white, male, landowners ONLY.  Senators and Electors were originally selected by the States Legislators.

So do you think the founders were wrong in creating the electoral college? Do you think a popular vote is a better idea?

No. I have mostly lived in smaller population states and it is the only way they get any attention.

[DDZ]

Yes

With a popular vote in place for president, not only would small states not have a voice. There would be a lot of special interest parties created. Like for instance pro abortion, anti abortion, pro gun, anti gun, pro immigration, anti immigration, and many more. So we could end up with a president who gets 20 to 30% of the popular vote. Also there would be a lot more incentive for election fraud.   

[ironglow]

  OK..so Trump was not elected by a Majority, but by a plurality..

  So since Trump was made president by a minority of voters. Then the other candidates, from Harris on down, were "super minority" candidates.

[Mule 11]

Yes

With a popular vote in place for president, not only would small states not have a voice. There would be a lot of special interest parties created. Like for instance pro abortion, anti abortion, pro gun, anti gun, pro immigration, anti immigration, and many more. So we could end up with a president who gets 20 to 30% of the popular vote. Also there would be a lot more incentive for election fraud.

Considering how badly democrat policies suck, how else could they possibly win elections? I mean they wouldn’t try and rig elections, now would they?