Social Security

[darkgael]

Did the Colonel explain why he did not just order his supplies from the local hardware/appliance store?
The government procurement process is Byzantine. Note: before I go further understand that you are mostly writing about a different issue. Much of what you had to say was about government waste. That is a different issue than procurement. No argument from me about that.

[DDZ]

“ There is a lot of fraud in government, like $5,000 hammers used by the military.  “
Not true. Myth.

Ok, lets say it is a myth. That certainly doesn't indicate there isn't a lot of fraudulent spending in government. Because of the $5000 hammer myth, you seem to be using that to say there isn't a lot of fraud in government. Do you believe that? So since you say the $5000 hammers are a myth. Do you know what the military does pay for a hammer? I'd be willing to bet a couple SS checks that its a lot more than what we pay for hammers.

[Lloyd Smale]

he had a list of venders that came from above his pay grade. he brought up the appliance thing and was told to shut up and go with the flow or hed never get his birds. he was so disgusted he retired 2 years later! said he never had been passed over for promotion and till that time had excellent reviews from every superior he ever worked for. his marks went from perfect 4's to mid 2-low 3's and said he knew hed never make full bird because he said something. now i told you where my facts came from

There is a lot of fraud in government, like $5,000 hammers used by the military.  “
Not true. Myth.

now tell me where yours came from when YOU brought up government overpaying for things. i didnt start this issue YOU did and now your called out on your "facts" and your back peddling

Did the Colonel explain why he did not just order his supplies from the local hardware/appliance store? The government procurement process is Byzantine. Note: before I go further understand that you are mostly writing about a different issue. Much of what you had to say wasn’t

[Mule 11]

The hammer thing may or may not be true it could just be making a point. This same story about hammer’s has been circulating in the military for decades and IS an indication of extreme waste/abuse of funds. Another thing said is that “ we need to spend every dime allocated to get the same amount or more next year “ This is what you hear in the military and it applies IMO to all government.

[Lloyd Smale]

The hammer thing may or may not be true it could just be making a point. This same story about hammer’s has been circulating in the military for decades and IS an indication of extreme waste/abuse of funds. Another thing said is that “ we need to spend every dime allocated to get the same amount or more next year “ This is what you hear in the military and it applies IMO to all government.

another proven real crazy overspending was the toilet seats on b52s costing thousands of dollars that were just plastic seats like you can buy at menards. heads rolled over that one. procurement for the military has always been theft of our tax dollars that ended up in the pockets of rich buisness owners and funneled back under the table to politicians. STAND BY to see hegseth uncover LOTS of these people stealing from us

[darkgael]

“another proven real crazy overspending was the toilet seats on b52s costing thousands of dollars that were just plastic seats like you can buy at menards.”
Yes…you and I can buy those items at Menards. We do not have to go through the government procurement process. For a bit of insight try this: https://www.govexec.com/federal-news/1998/12/the-myth-of-the-600-hammer/5271/.

[Mule 11]

“another proven real crazy overspending was the toilet seats on b52s costing thousands of dollars that were just plastic seats like you can buy at menards.”
Yes…you and I can buy those items at Menards. We do not have to go through the government procurement process. For a bit of insight try this: https://www.govexec.com/federal-news/1998/12/the-myth-of-the-600-hammer/5271/.

While I read the article and found it interesting it confirms we did pay $600 dollars a hammer because that was how it was reported, Even if the money’s went elsewhere. Thanks for the source.

[Lloyd Smale]

nothing but a liberal propaganda web site that link brings you to. what is this "we dont have to go through government procurement process" is this something YOU DO?? or again are you just passing on some internet bs from sites like that?? DO YOU have first hand facts?? What i told you came from a military officer that delt with it daily. Sounds like your one of the leftists trying to deflect from this wasteful use of our tax dollars. why else would you take the time to search for something to defend this CRIMINAL waste of the tax money even you must be paying. that is unless your collecting money for a subsidy that you are afraid might be cut next like welfare or are one of the ssdi recipients that get it for bs reasons. what exactly do you do for a living???

“another proven real crazy overspending was the toilet seats on b52s costing thousands of dollars that were just plastic seats like you can buy at menards.”
Yes…you and I can buy those items at Menards. We do not have to go through the government procurement process. For a bit of insight try this: https://www.govexec.com/federal-news/1998/12/the-myth-of-the-600-hammer/5271/.

[darkgael]

“ procurement for the military has always been theft of our tax dollars that ended up in the pockets of rich buisness owners and funneled back under the table to politicians. “ I appreciate your outrage. Can you document that?

[darkgael]

“nothing but a liberal propaganda web site that link brings you to. what is this "we dont have to go through government procurement process" is this something YOU DO?? or again are you just passing on some internet bs from sites like that??”
So you are saying that any source that does not agree with what you believe is bs?

When you or I want to order a folding chair or a hammer, we go to the store, pick up the item, go to the register and pay for it. The government does not do that, cannot  do that. There is a process that must be followed.. a lot more red tape than you or I have to deal with. This procurement process drives up expenses. The hammer may cost $14.95 but the red tape drives up the cost of buying it.

[Lloyd Smale]

again what did you do for a living. the know-it-all way you present yourself on here makes me think TEACHER!!

[darkgael]

Oh-oh,  I can see it coming: the personal attack. What did you do for a living that makes you think that you are better than others. I was warned about you and your attitudes some time ago. The warnings were apt.

[ironglow]

Darkgael is correct, in that a Colonel..or a Sergeant or PFC for that matter, cannot just go to the hardware and purchase a hammer, unless he wants to pay for it himself..

  That being said, just that method is often employed.  Back in1957, I was serving in Ft Sam Houston, in a company that had extensive lawns.
  The army would only issue a non powered push mower, so at payday each troop was asked to kick in a dollar to get a power mower.
  That was done often..

  We often bought stuff overseas, for items the government doesn't furnish..after all we troops didn't have limitless credit cards, as some politicians do.

  No reason why parts and tools should not be so costly....except somebody is getting  a kick back..

  Yes, the government has procurement offices, and they should be doing a much better job..or the personel should forced to explain why a hundred plain washers should cost $90,000... or be replaced.  Or perhaps the person who ordered the costly washers, should have their pay docked for the $90K..and/or go to jail..

  Procurement in private industry means.."getting the best quantity and quality you can get, for as few dollars as possible." Bureauocrats are either blind or crooked.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CvKcIvovIQ

[Lloyd Smale]

nothing special. just 8 years serving my country and 28 as a  blue collar redneck dirt under the finger nails electrical lineman. like i said nothing special but also nothing im ashamed on or afraid to tell the world. you were probably warned i chew up liberals for fun. its easy for even a dumb ass redneck like me to make a fool out of a lib. now what grade did you teach or maybe a better question might be what year did the government start supporting you

Oh-oh,  I can see it coming: the personal attack. What did you do for a living that makes you think that you are better than others. I was warned about you and your attitudes some time ago. The warnings were apt.

[darkgael]

Lloyd: what makes you think that I am a “liberal”?  What liberal idea have I espoused?  I do not like Trump and haven’t liked him since before you ever heard of him. That doesn’t make me liberal;  it just makes me sensible.

[Goldie]

Well since you changed your question about social security and in post 59 went to the crooked government bs about military hammer procurement who knows what you're trying to convey? You pretty much admitted you were a school teacher and with your added trump hate syndrome you sure sound like a confused liberal or druggie troll. Which is it?

[darkgael]

Well since you changed your question about social security and in post 59 went to the crooked government bs about military hammer procurement who knows what you're trying to convey? You pretty much admitted you were a school teacher and with your added trump hate syndrome you sure sound like a confused liberal or druggie troll. Which is it?

Great choice. Those are the only two possibilities that you can think of? Very narrow minded of you. And typical of what happens in these threads…..they always devolve into personal attacks. P

[Lloyd Smale]

The one thing IT ABSOLUTELY DOESNT DO IS MAKE YOU SENSIBLE.  Kind of puts you in there with maxine waters aoc and the rest of the squad. Some real sensible people that share your views

Lloyd: what makes you think that I am a “liberal”?  What liberal idea have I espoused?  I do not like Trump and haven’t liked him since before you ever heard of him. That doesn’t make me liberal;  it just makes me sensible.

[Lloyd Smale]

Still havent told us what you do (or dont do ) to make a living. why are you so ashamed

[Lloyd Smale]

there is a door and dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out. dont know why a liberal would want to hang here with people who believe in God, love their country, detest abortion and believe there are only 2 sexes and we control our kids not school systems and think we are intelligent enough to decide on our own if our kids should be vaccinated instead of being forced by the government and believe our tax money should help Americans NOT border crashers!!!!!!!!!! All views shared by Trump and opposed by the left!! where do you fit in?? Where do you think you fit in here?? oh wait. there is on possibility. your here to take over for guzzi. Id say 99.9% of us here are ultra conservative. where do you feel you fit in?

Well since you changed your question about social security and in post 59 went to the crooked government bs about military hammer procurement who knows what you're trying to convey? You pretty much admitted you were a school teacher and with your added trump hate syndrome you sure sound like a confused liberal or druggie troll. Which is it?

Great choice. Those are the only two possibilities that you can think of? Very narrow minded of you. And typical of what happens in these threads…..they always devolve into personal attacks. P

[Dee]

Well since you changed your question about social security and in post 59 went to the crooked government bs about military hammer procurement who knows what you're trying to convey? You pretty much admitted you were a school teacher and with your added trump hate syndrome you sure sound like a confused liberal or druggie troll. Which is it?

Goldie, darkgael has never made it a secret that he was a school teacher, and most school teachers are not only  liberal, but also don't pay into Social Security. They instead have their own union type pension they pay into. Some teachers here in Texas have retired on their teachers pension then found a school that will hire them for a few weeks as a non teacher, and then sign up for Social Security based on their non teacher job salary at that school.
Texas is cracking down on that scheme.

[darkgael]

Still havent told us what you do (or dont do ) to make a living. why are you so ashamed

Lloyd: I am 78 years old. I am retired. In any case, it is pretty well known that I was a teacher back in the day or haven’t you been paying attention all these years? Even if that was not common knowledge, why would not telling you mean that I was ashamed? Why does my former occupation even matter to you? (I know. It allows you to label me with all the baggage that you carry concerning teachers. You obviously do not like teachers.Why?)

Dee: Not pay into Social Security? I sure as hell did. Where did you get the idea that I did not?

[Dee]

Dee: Not pay into Social Security? I sure as hell did. Where did you get the idea that I did not?

Seems your reading comprehension isn't up to par either. 

[DDZ]

Lloyd: what makes you think that I am a “liberal”?  What liberal idea have I espoused?  I do not like Trump and haven’t liked him since before you ever heard of him. That doesn’t make me liberal;  it just makes me sensible.

I can answer that rather simply. You voted for the same thing we had the last four years, with you casting your vote for Kamala.  To most everyone here that makes you a full blown liberal at the very least. Its really confusing that you think voting for Kamala, and hating Trump, somehow makes you sensible. To be blunt about it. It puts you more into the clueless category.   

[Goldie]

Getting back to your post #3, you stated you assumed social security would be cut! Seems to me that in itself is a typical Left wing liberal remark. Trump has said over and over he will not cut social security. In your words you assumed that. So why would any normal person believe you're not trolling or just talking typical liberal trash?

[darkgael]

“ Trump has said over and over he will not cut social security. In your words you assumed that. So why did would any normal person believe you're not trolling or just talking typical liberal trash?”
So…anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal? Is that it? 
And Trump never lies, does he? You don’t see it, do you…..Trump’s gradual accretion of power….his use of executive orders that cut out Congress, his recent flaunting of court orders along with his misinterpretation of older laws (the Alien Enemies Act of 1798) which is meant to be used during war. We are not at war regardless of how you want to twist the idea.
Trump has cut out Congress; he is doing his best to reduce the power of SCOTUS. This leaves him in charge of everything. Just the way he wants it…government by edict. Pretty soon he will attack the Constitution. Mark my words.
Power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Goldie]

Yep I wrote that. What is the purpose of your response? Just finished up some wacky weed ?

[darkgael]

Goldie; what is with you and wacky weed?

[Goldie]

The way you explain things it just makes sense that's why. As far as Trump doing what he does, that's exactly what we want and why we voted for him. And why he won. I for one am sick and tired of liberal lunatic crap and how this country is run by them.

[darkgael]

Dee: About reading comprehension: you wrote “ and most school teachers are not only  liberal, but also don't pay into Social Security.” What did I not comprehend?