Florida State University Shooting

[Dee]

All those adult college students but, guess who had a gun in the crowd?

THE SHOOTER OF COURSE.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/04/18/fsu-shooting-phoenix-ikner-updates/83153752007/

[GTS225]

Hell of a FAILURE on the law enforcement father of the shooter, ain't it?

Roger

[ironglow]

Hell of a FAILURE on the law enforcement father of the shooter, ain't it?

Roger

  Not quite the way I see it.  Putting myself in the deputy mom's place, I can understand how she could leave her handgun where her 20 year old son could find it !
  Sorry, but in my house guns were available to both my sons...and they had their own also.  I see nothing unusual for an adult child, living in the same
  home, having access to family owned guns.

  There seems to be nothing to indicate that this young man showed any clues as to his intent.

  How many of you guys make sure your guns are "locked away" from your late teen or adult children, living or visiting in your home ?

  As for me, having trained them proper usage and safety all their young lives, I felt comfortable with my sons having access to the family gun cabinet.

[Dee]

Hell of a FAILURE on the law enforcement father of the shooter, ain't it?

Roger

  Not quite the way I see it.  Putting myself in the deputy mom's place, I can understand how she could leave her handgun where her 20 year old son could find it !
  Sorry, but in my house guns were available to both my sons...and they had their own also.  I see nothing unusual for an adult child, living in the same
  home, having access to family owned guns.

  There seems to benothing to inmdicate that this young man showed and clues as to his intent.

  How many of you guys make sure your guns are "locked away" from your late teen or adult children, living or visiting in your home ?

  As for me, having trained them proper usage and safety all their young lives, i felt comfortable with my sons having access to the family gun cabinet.

Same here.

[Bob Riebe]

     At 20 years old, had the firearm been locked away, I have zero doubt that the young man would not have access to it.
Some people are born with bad traits, nothing can change that, I am speaking from personal experience.

At that, nowadays, they are not subject to rules and regulations we had aa children and young adults, snot faced punks, from an early age are allowed to , or even encouraged to be the the little asses they are.

[ironglow]

  It seems there may be many guns floating around the "hood' in unlicensed/unregistered hands.  They didn't get them from Dad, if Dad wasn't
   in the home in the first place.

  Conclusion; if a sick mind wants a gun..the sick mind will get a gun. 

  These sick minds seem to have developed exponentially over the last 2-3 decades.  Perhaps sociologists should start looking at the fixation upon
  violent video games, internet connections, satanic cyber sites and the ease of connections between violence prone individuals.

  ..But then, much money is made by way of these connections..so don't expect any breakthrough "discoveries' at any time soon.

[Dee]

     At 20 years old, had the firearm been locked away, I have zero doubt that the young man would not have access to it.
Some people are born with bad traits, nothing can change that, I am speaking from personal experience.

At that, nowadays, they are not subject to rules and regulations we had aa children and young adults, snot faced punks, from an early age are allowed to , or even encouraged to be the the little asses they are.

Thats right. Lock all the guns up and blame the parents. Doesn't matter if the shooter was an adult. It's the gun owners fault. The shooter was an innocent trigger puller.

[Bob Riebe]

     At 20 years old, had the firearm been locked away, I have zero doubt that the young man would not have access to it.
Some people are born with bad traits, nothing can change that, I am speaking from personal experience.

At that, nowadays, they are not subject to rules and regulations we had aa children and young adults, snot faced punks, from an early age are allowed to , or even encouraged to be the the little asses they are.

Thats right. Lock all the guns up and blame the parents. Doesn't matter if the shooter was an adult. It's the gun owners fault. The shooter was an innocent trigger puller.

Read what I said again.
He would have gotten it locked up or not.

[GTS225]

You completely missed my point.  If that "father" had actually taught his son some reasonably decent standards of conduct, then the event would have never taken place.
It ain't that hard to to tell your kids things that you DON'T do in society, and back up the preaching with behavior to support the teaching.

The LEO father is still a failure.

Roger

  Not quite the way I see it.  Putting myself in the deputy mom's place, I can understand how she could leave her handgun where her 20 year old son could find it !
  Sorry, but in my house guns were available to both my sons...and they had their own also.  I see nothing unusual for an adult child, living in the same
  home, having access to family owned guns.

  There seems to be nothing to indicate that this young man showed any clues as to his intent.

  How many of you guys make sure your guns are "locked away" from your late teen or adult children, living or visiting in your home ?

  As for me, having trained them proper usage and safety all their young lives, I felt comfortable with my sons having access to the family gun cabinet.

[Graybeard]

The father isn't the one who was an LEO, the mother is and she is technically a step mother. This guy was caught in the middle of a custody battle between his parents for years. He is also not quite right in the head and they've known it since he was quite young.

With what they knew of him and his mental state he should never have been allowed near a gun.

[Dee]

A little research on the shooter finds he wasn't possibly tying every bail. But on the other hand. There was sumthin wrong with, Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger, Jesse James, ect, ect, ect, and folks were slow picking up on their mental deficiencies.
Some no doubt more obvious than others, however this individual had been on numerous committees, and in organizations. Had gone shooting with his stepmother, whom had been voted officer of the year recently onto the campus.
Its a slippery sloap on who gets to decide who gets, and who does not get access to guns, cars, and bbq equipment.

[Land_Owner]

As I said in another thread (about a young white man at a football game being stabbed in the heart by a black man over absolutely no good reason other than racism and rage), it is impossible to know from the eyes of a madman when you are arguing and he is danger close. You don't recognize the danger. How could you know?

You do not believe you have done anything to elicit a death certificate level reaction, and in that second a deadly reaction is perpetrated action against you. Without your ability to recognize the danger that you are in, your CCW permit and gun are useless in your pocket. Surprise attack remains a tactic of offensive intent. Never let them see it coming.

A CCW gun is for defense. Certainly allowing defensive guns on campus would counter the offensive shooter's already illegally carrying there. Laws don't stop people. Guns don't shoot themselves.

I can see LEO confusion coming into an active shooter scenario were the shooter's already down and a defensive shooter has shot the perp. Who then is the LEO going to cover - perhaps rush in and even shoot. Hopefully just cover first until the situation gets a lot cooler.

I am not afraid i've given my children loaded weapons. They are responsible for their own actions. My youngest at twenty nine, has anger management issues, and he has four or five pistols and several rifles and shotguns. They were formally mine. Now they are his, and he is responsible for them. If he cannot do the time, then he should not do the crime. Of this he is well aware.

[Dee]

I habitually eat breakfast at a small cafe in a small town with several older men (my age or older). We talk about everything from politics to cattle but, several months ago a member of the group made a comment that got me to thinking.
Several at the table know that I carry and he is one of them. The discussion was the constant flow of illegals through our town, and the crime it brings.
His comment was: I'm glad that folks like you carry a gun since folks like me don't. 

In other words, if a punk comes into the cafe, I do the dirty work. I go to the Sheriffs Office for investigation, and he goes home.
THIS is one of the reasons some folks are reluctant to get involved.

[Land_Owner]

No. You got your thinking wrong. You don't carry to protect him. You carry to protect yourself. You first, everybody else thereafter. If he gets his a** in a crack that's on him, not you. After which you look at him and say " Not my job man. You should have armed yourself."

If you win, the bad guy loses, and your friends have done nothing other than duck and cover you are elevated in their minds to Hero. From that position, you can look down onto the lowly peeons, and treat them any way you want. Or, you can continue to call them friends, have breakfast with them every day, and carry on with life as it was meant to be, on a regular slow bell. I mean, how many of these confrontations do you think you're going to have for the rest of your life?

[Dee]

No. You got your thinking wrong. You don't carry to protect him. You carry to protect yourself. You first, everybody else thereafter. If he gets his a** in a crack that's on him, not you. After which you look at him and say " Not my job man. You should have armed yourself."

If you win, the bad guy loses, and your friends have done nothing other than duck and cover you are elevated in their minds to Hero. From that position, you can look down onto the lowly peeons, and treat them any way you want. Or, you can continue to call them friends, have breakfast with them every day, and carry on with life as it was meant to be, on a regular slow bell. I mean, how many of these confrontations do you think you're going to have for the rest of your life?

LOL, I actually think I'm on the mark. I carry for my own protection, and my families. My point was how other people see things. 

[Land_Owner]

We actually ignore how other people prepare because it has absolutely nothing to do with how we prepare. Sheep will always be led to the slaughter. Sheepdogs may get slaughtered, but they're going to bite in the meantime. Fight like the third monkey on the gangway to Noah's Ark, just as it starts to rain for forty days and forty nights.

[moamonkey]

Locked up or not, the guy was old enough to buy his own gun, legally or otherwise. Gun security in the home is a non-issue here.