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« on: March 28, 2004, 03:12:02 PM »
Got hold of another Schmitt-Rubin K-31 that is in pretty good shape.  Have taken it all apart and am going to refinish the stock......any suggestions?

Have sanded down the stock and forearm - am thinking of hand-rubbing it with Tung Oil to bring out the natural grain of the wood.  What about staining it?  Yes or No?  Dark stain like a walnut?  Or just go with the natural wood grain?

Or do you have a different idea?  Would like to hear anything.......
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2004, 04:30:20 PM »
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Got hold of another Schmitt-Rubin K-31 that is in pretty good shape.  Have taken it all apart and am going to refinish the stock......any suggestions?

Have sanded down the stock and forearm - am thinking of hand-rubbing it with Tung Oil to bring out the natural grain of the wood.  What about staining it?  Yes or No?  Dark stain like a walnut?  Or just go with the natural wood grain?

Or do you have a different idea?  Would like to hear anything.......


Well.........As the collectors are known to say, "You made your first mistake when you decided to sand 'er down!"  Generally, all you should  use is 3-0 or 4-0 steelwool and clean the stock with Murphy's Oil Soap.  Now, first time I started out using sandpaper in areas that were badly damaged, I ended up with blotchy areas as a result.  This required that I then strip the entire stock and start over.  I finished with tungoil tinted down with stain, rubbing down after drying with 4-0 steelwool between coats till I was satisfied with the look.  Save yourself a lot of work and try the Murphy's Oil Soap first then go from there.  Most collectors leave 'em like that
Incidently, if there are dings in the stock (Ya....sure there are!) try steaming them out with a wet cloth and steam iron.  If there's varnish on the stock, or the grain has been sheared then the steam won't work.  Got to fill those in with wooddust/epoxy mix.  Good Luck with that milsurp!

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2004, 01:15:31 AM »
If you use sandpaper you have to take it down to the lowest grit paper then use coarse steelwool then fine steelwool.  I try not to use sand paper but if the stock is really crappy I may do it starting out with 60 or 80 grit a little at a time trying to use it as even as i can. Then I will go to 100grit over the whole stock, then 220grit, then 320 grit to get all the heavy sanding marks out of the wood.  Then I use Minwax oil stain and it may take two or three coats of stain to get the desired color.  Then I will apply Formby's tung oil using fine steelwool between coats. I will apply 4 to 6 coats or more of Formby's until the stock is perfect. The stock will come out awesome if we take our time.                              BigBill

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2004, 04:26:17 AM »
Savage T and Big Bill,

First of all, Thanks to both of you for some great suggestions!  Believe me that this is not a "collector's item" K-31......it is extremely rough in it's purchased condition and was bought for just that reason!

It is a project to work on because of the chance to somehow do something with it.  I would not touch my other K-31 (the good 'un) in anyway.

Bear with me on this and I will post some photos once it is done.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2004, 05:22:42 AM »
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Savage T and Big Bill,

First of all, Thanks to both of you for some great suggestions!  Believe me that this is not a "collector's item" K-31......it is extremely rough in it's purchased condition and was bought for just that reason!

It is a project to work on because of the chance to somehow do something with it.  I would not touch my other K-31 (the good 'un) in anyway.

Bear with me on this and I will post some photos once it is done.


RB Rooson;
Trust me my worst non collectables have turned into better looking guns than my collectables in the end they came out awesome!!!!  BigBill

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2004, 12:07:22 PM »
RB Roosen,
  If it needs total refinishing, try using Citri-strip on it, before you sand it. I have done many stocks using it, and the tung oil finish. Once the stripper has the stock cleaned off, you can wash it down with paint thinner, and let it dry. If it needs major sanding, do the heavy stuff, then when it just needs some fine work, use wet and dry sand paper, and dip it in a mixture of tung oil and paint thinner. That will allow the tung oil to penetrate real deep, and help with filling the grain. As you go to finer paper, keep adding more tung oil to the mix, until your satisfied with the smoothness of the finish, and then apply tung oil using your hand until it has the sheen you desire. You may need to lightly sand with 600 grit paper in between coats. I have done some stocks with as many as 40 coats of tung oil, but that was for a glass like finish. Good luck with your project, and have fun with it. Just remember, if you don't like the way it turns out, you can always strip it again. The tung oil, and Citri-strip is available at Home Depot, the wet and dry sand paper can be had at auto parts stores.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2004, 08:49:16 AM »
RB,  You didn't tell us if it's beech or walnut!

If walnut, I'd take it down to 600 grit and whisker it a couple times (wipe down liberally with a wet cloth and then sand again with the 600 after it drys).  After it's all whiskered out I'd put on a Birchwood case filler coat and then finish with BC True oil and no stain.  My exp with walnut and stains is that they only serve to muddy the grain.

I have two beech stocks that I'm considering a refinish on and like yourself, can't decide exactly what to do.  Am tempted to do a nitric acid stain but have not gotten up the nerve yet

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2004, 03:39:48 PM »
The stock is beech AND I have taken Longcruise's advise and done it his way........!  Have rubbed two (2) thin coats of Tung Oil so far and then buffed with 0000 Steelwool.

Third (3rd) thin coat is coming this weekend and am extremely satisfied so far........

Will let ya' all know how it comes out (....and maybe a photograph or two)!
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2004, 06:26:19 AM »
Do post a pic!!

Have decided to go ahead and try the nitric on one of my rougher beech stocks.  Will run a photo later.