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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2011, 03:03:56 PM »
Several years ago in Colorado I was part of miles-long tracking job that resulted when a guy made a bad shot and hit a bull in the front leg.  We jumped the bull several times, sometimes a few hundred yards away. 
 

 Ok so somebody made a bad shot, happens once in awhile, and it seems to happen more with the guns that tend to lead to a flinching shooter.
 At 350 yds, you haven't got much of a shot at anything, and jammin another bullet into an elks hams isn't going to help much.
 Having killed near to 50 elk and seen well over an another 100 killed, the only time caliber ever really makes a difference is when the shooter can truly handle the cartridge.
 
Short and sweet  a shooter that can shoot a 257 or similar well will kill more elk cleanly than a shooter with a 300 that can't shoot the thing without yanking the trigger as they close their eyes and try to run from the rifle.
No doubt you are better to be accurate with a .257 than inaccurate with a 300.  The question is, are you better to be accurate with the 300 or accurate with the .257?  I think the answer is obvious personally.
 
Still, here's a piece I particularly like by an elk guide and writer I used to read regularly:
http://montanaelkhunting.blogspot.com/2009/07/7-08-elk-rifle-wannabe.html
 
He's seen more elk die in a year than most will in their lifetime...

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2011, 04:02:39 PM »
I've been elk hunting ALL of my life, there are even stories told of the cow elk that got shot under the clothes line that was drying my diapers in elk camp.
 With that said I'm going to throw the bullspit flag all over that drivel you posted the link to. The major theme there is the gal probably couldn't shoot, or she had a smucked scope, OR she was using some sort of varmint ammo, but even at that a bull elk isn't going to stand around with all that crap going around over his head.
 Now I have not used or saw used a 7mm-08 on elk, but the 7x57 is an elk killin fool. I have yet to see an elk that took more than two hits to be dead right there.Can't say the same for a 7 rem mag.
 But then again it's the same over and over and over again. You gut shoot an elk with a flinchmaster and you got problems , yet someone that puts either the same load or a bullet from a 243 thru the vitals and they'll be packin elk.
 I lost one elk and in my life and that wasn't due to anything other than poor shot placement during a snow storm to close to dark. The caliber is one that most flatlanders slather themselves over for elk hunting and the bullet is widely acclaimed.  I almost lost one due to poor placement with a 405 winchester.
 Bottom line the bullet needs to go where it does the most good no matter how much testosterone the trigger yanker exudes every time he close his eyes, and yanks the trigger.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2011, 04:10:03 PM »
Right.  We agree.  You are always better off with a gun you can shoot than one you can't.

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2011, 04:17:30 PM »
 I went back thru that blog thing and it's my contention that guy is either dumber than a post or one the biggest liars to ever hit the planet.
 His statement that the blr's short barrel was hampering the ballistics of the 7mm-08 sure as the world points to the fact he has zero experience with the blr and a chronograph. And his statement about getting a full powered 7mm like a 280 is laughable, there's so little ballistic difference between a factory load 280 and a 708 to make the choice which to buy, you need to decide which you like better long or short actions.
 Never mind his statement that a few of the rounds gave complete penetration, yet the bull never moved until she shot him in the Jaw? horsehockey.
 Walked up behind him and pushed him over so she could shoot him in the head..... Anybody with a half a brain that reads that drivel ought to know he's a liar of the worst kind..
 
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2011, 01:43:42 AM »
257 weatherby works for me, 2 years ago. 120 gn. nosler patition. all complete pass through.

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2011, 03:05:57 AM »
I've shot 4 elk with a 25-06 using 120 grain core locts. Worked well. BAck when I guided in SW Colorado I saw alot of "dudes" who thought they could make up for their poor shooting by buying a magnum. Old John Rose an outfitter I knew in the Selway said he must have shot 30 elk with a 222 rem mag before someone told him it was not big enough. It's all where ya put the bullet.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2011, 08:48:23 AM »
In everything I've ever read about the .257 Weatherby, I've never read anything bad about its performance.  Everyone who has used it or seen it used by others described it very positively.  It's easy to shoot and very effective. 

The only criticism was that it's ammo is scarce and expensive, which of course, is true, but not necessarily a problem  for handloaders or for the affluent.



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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2011, 03:32:29 AM »
Many years ago, ( in the early 1950's) I got really tired of eating Elk meat that my dad shot . All the elk were shot with a Model 99 Savage chambered for the 250-3000. All were one shot kills and dear right there. (He hated to waste bullets because it was a 40 mile trip for more)
 As it has been said many, many times it is the Shooter not the gun that is responsible for the humane taking of anything being hunted.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2011, 03:33:33 AM »
 I know an old man that hunted elk when he was young with a 30/06 and killed everyone he shot. When he got older he wanted less recoil and bought a 243 and continued killing Elk with it. What changed? Nothing, he shot the 30/06 well and he still shoots the 243 well. I think the key to his success is he has always shot them at a reasonable distance, not a reasonable distance for the cartridge, but a reasonable distance.
 You hear alot of bragging on the internet about little tiny groups, when the fact is most people don't shoot particularly well from the bench, much less from a field position. The fact of the matter is that the bullet has to hit something that will kill the animal wheather it is a 243 or a 458 Lott. There are a lot of excuses why you didn't kill the Elk cleanly, but with todays equipment no reason!

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2011, 01:35:12 AM »
we had two oldtimers at camp that have passed. One used a 3220 and one a 30 carbine to hunt deer with, although ive taken deer with both and wont pass a bad judgement on them they are obviously a bit week in the knees for big game but those old timers sure made the work. I dont ever remember them loosing a deer they shot. they were both good riflemen and good hunters and found like anyone else that ever got out in the woods and actually shot things rather then reading bs on the internet that putting a bullet where it belongs is a hell of alot more important then what bullet or how much kinetic energy there load had. that  been said, yes i do use mag rifles and big handguns. Why? because i can. I enjoy using all differnt makes and calibers of guns. Are they nessisary? nope but sometimes they give a bit of an edge. I wouldnt go hunting elk with one of my 243s or 250s. I have better guns for the purpose but not everyone does. Not everyone can afford 30 rifles. If i had a 243 and it was all i could afford and it was elk season and i wanted meat for my family you can bet your *** id make it work and bring home some meat and there wouldnt be 20 elk running around that had had bullets bounce off of them.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2011, 06:59:15 PM »
If i had a 243 and it was all i could afford and it was elk season and i wanted meat for my family you can bet your *** id make it work and bring home some meat and there wouldnt be 20 elk running around that had had bullets bounce off of them.

LOL!  I think that's funny, Lloyd!  :D

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2011, 08:31:30 AM »
 No the funny thing is that hunters got by very well in the past with one rifle and a shotgun. My grandfather owned 1 Ball and cap rifle and 1 shotgun. My father said they never went hungry and he raised 13 Kids. He hunted Deer, Bear, Turkey, Squirrels, etc... The whole argument of needing more power seems silly to me, if the game that is being hunted has not gotten tougher, then the hunters have gotten weaker!

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2011, 09:01:17 AM »
 ;) My grandfather also owned only one shotgun and Fox 12, and one rifle a model 54 .30-06...in the old days there was not alot to pick from, and money wasn't plentiful  like today...many times game was more plentiful in the old days if you lived near by..one old time I knew killed 5 whitetails in his garden one eve. with a .22 and flashlight...when he hunted for sport, he used a .270 or .30-06...

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2011, 01:11:23 PM »
Now that I'm in elk country, I'm wondering about the possibility of using my .25-06 on them if necessary.  I've heard of a few guys taking elk with the .25-06, but not a lot.

So what's your experience with the .257" on elk?

Thanks!

The absolute smallest calibre that I would recommend to be reliable and effective for elk sized game under most conditions would be the .270 Winchester. I've used the .25'06 and it is completely a specialty calibre on animals the size of an elk. There is no forgiving in this round if your shot is off by much, and an elk can cover a lot of country when its wounded. The elk is a very powerful animal, and  is able to absorb a lot of energy.
 
The .25'06 is awesome on deer sized game. Its amazing in open ground taking antelope. The calibre is lacking when it comes to taking elk reliably under most conditions.
 
You're going to get lots of guys saying "sure, I've taken elk with it....no problem". But the real measure is if the .25'06 is reliable on elk sized game under most situations....no its not. I know of no articles where a professional writer (an expert in the field) has touted the .25'06 as any kind of elk medicine, and there's a reason....
 
There are other calibres that are much better....I would advise that you give the .270 Winchester a good hard look over as the very smallest elk rifle; it is a proven performer. And if you don't mind a little recoil the 7mm Mag or the .300 Mag are even better.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2011, 02:17:43 PM »
[You're going to get lots of guys saying "sure, I've taken elk with it....no problem". But the real measure is if the .25'06 is reliable on elk sized game under most situations....no its not. I know of no articles where a professional writer (an expert in the field) has touted the .25'06 as any kind of elk medicine, and there's a reason....
 
Bob Milek and Les Bowman, both well know guides outfitters and gunwriters from Wyoming heaped great praise on the 2506 and other 25's. Les Bowman went as far as to opine that he thought most of the hunters he had would of been better suited with the 243 or 257 than the magnum rifle they brought with them.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2011, 05:11:56 PM »
I miss Bob Milek..he was a true gem, and it was a sad day when he finally succumbed to cancer. Of all the writers, I respected his considered opinion the most.
 
You are very right, he heaped a lot of praise upon the .25'06. I would even go so far as to say that it was one of his favorite calibres. However, I do not recall that he EVER stated that the .25'06 was great for elk...or even that the .25'06 was consistantly reliable on elk. I do recall that he refered to the .25'06 as a premier deer cartridge and a great open plains antelope cartridge....Bob was very insightful, and he had a great influence on my cartridge choices for many years. When I posted about the .25'06 and its use on both deer and antelope, I was quoting what I remembered from the Book of Bob.
 
Les Bowman.... ???
 
But please read my post. Once you do you will see that I posted only concerning  the .25'06 and its use as an ineffective elk hunting calibre...I didn't mention anything about the .243 Winchester (even worse as an elk cartridge) or the awesome fun of the .257 Weatherby.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2011, 01:29:20 AM »
sorry but i just dont see what the 270 does that the 2506 doesnt do. Both are so close in power and the abilty to kill animals that is not worth a discusion. The differnce in damage something like a 120 partition in a 2506 at 3000 fps does and a 270 shooting a 130 at that speed or a 150 at 2800 isnt going ot add up to a hill of beans. the 25 cal will make up what it lacks in weight for pentration by the fact it has a slightly better bc and if you ever looked at the inside of a deer shot with both youd see both do plenty of damage once inside an animal. Now to really step up in power from a 2506 you need to go to a 7 or 30 mag or maybe on the bottom side of that a 180 (handloaded to its best potential) in an 06. the smaller bores like the 270 and the various other 7mm rounds just dont do that good at pushing heavy bullets. Same goes for the smaller 30s right up to 06 which even loaded to factory levels is boderline. Sure they will all kill an elk at 200 yards but if we stretch that to 300 and you want to shoot heavy bullets you need to put some ump behind them to make the really effective.
 
 
Like i said ive never killed an elk so im no expert but ive no doubt killed more deer with the 2506 and 257 wbys and roberts at longer ranges then anyone here . Ive got some definate opinions on what works and what doesnt. At 200 yards most anything works 300 is the equalizer and out past that you want all the gun you can shoot. Bullet placement is the key to all of this. If your good with your rifle and have the metal makeup to just take good shots at ranges within the effectiveness of the round your using you will do good. I doubt any elk would walk away from a 100 grain corelock out of a 243 at a 100 yards if put in his chest. If your the type that takes something like an elk at any range and any angle because your afraid youll go home without youd best skip all the standard rounds and step up to a mag. But if your out there hunting and run into some grizzly old charater in tatered hunting clothes shooting a 99 in 250 or something simular id probably not jump him and tell him his gun isnt enough because im sure hed give you 20 or 30 examples of why hes right and you should go back to surfing the web. Guns and loads like that arent for 16 year old kids or anyone inexperienced rifleman but in the right hands do just fine. Last i heard elks hides arent much thicker then a deers and there rib bones arent the size of baseball bats.
 
As to what some gun writter said that doesnt hold much weight for me. They just like you and i just have an opinion. Just because there good at writing a story doesnt make them one bit more of an authority on what kills then any other person thats spent his life doing it. As a matter of fact it means even less to me. Most of what they write is just crap to fill an article to sell to some crap gun rag like guns and ammo. they will say one thing this month and test a gun for some manufacture next month in about the same caliber and call it differnt.  \quote author=Rock Home Isle link=topic=30904.msg1099438865#msg1099438865 date=1324944683]
Now that I'm in elk country, I'm wondering about the possibility of using my .25-06 on them if necessary.  I've heard of a few guys taking elk with the .25-06, but not a lot.

So what's your experience with the .257" on elk?

Thanks!

The absolute smallest calibre that I would recommend to be reliable and effective for elk sized game under most conditions would be the .270 Winchester. I've used the .25'06 and it is completely a specialty calibre on animals the size of an elk. There is no forgiving in this round if your shot is off by much, and an elk can cover a lot of country when its wounded. The elk is a very powerful animal, and  is able to absorb a lot of energy.
 
The .25'06 is awesome on deer sized game. Its amazing in open ground taking antelope. The calibre is lacking when it comes to taking elk reliably under most conditions.
 
You're going to get lots of guys saying "sure, I've taken elk with it....no problem". But the real measure is if the .25'06 is reliable on elk sized game under most situations....no its not. I know of no articles where a professional writer (an expert in the field) has touted the .25'06 as any kind of elk medicine, and there's a reason....
 
There are other calibres that are much better....I would advise that you give the .270 Winchester a good hard look over as the very smallest elk rifle; it is a proven performer. And if you don't mind a little recoil the 7mm Mag or the .300 Mag are even better.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2011, 04:05:22 AM »
Lloyd, hogwash, I shot the elk pictured above about 300 yds. 257 weatherby magnum, 120 gn partition went through hips breaking both ball joints and went clear through the elk. he went down and was dead before i could get to him.  why won't you guys believe what you see???  i've seen good riflemen go to the big magnums and become the worst shots at the range. truth known a 30-06 will take elk out to 400 yds. some good riflemen can do better.

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2011, 04:13:30 AM »
The .257 Weatherby Magnum is an awesome Elk Calibre...loaded with a premium bullet, I'd take it on an elk hunt any time. Course with the energies that the .257 W. Mag is capable of generating, it would probably be foolish to use anything less than a premeium bullet in it.  8)
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2011, 04:17:41 AM »
I have found over the years that generally when someone starts trashing cartridge "X" as not any good , they generally have no experience with that cartridge.....
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2011, 04:20:36 AM »
Lloyd Smale...from what you've posted, I'd say that you're probably an expert on deer. And I  agree with you that the venerable .257 Roberts and the .25'06 are fantastic deer calibres. The .257 Roberts is a favored Deer Cartridge on an uncle of mine, he's taken many heavy bodied Whitetails with it...
 
But the OP wanted to discuss the merits of the .25's as they pertain to elk. Of the .25's I'll concede that the .257 Weatherby Mag (loaded with a premium bullet) is good elk medicine...heck its great elk medicine.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2011, 04:23:23 AM »
I have found over the years that generally when someone starts trashing cartridge "X" as not any good , they generally have no experience with that cartridge.....

Explain.  ???
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2011, 04:27:47 AM »
Nothing to explain. That sentence clearly states , what I have observed over a number of years.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2011, 04:57:20 AM »
Now that I'm in elk country, I'm wondering about the possibility of using my .25-06 on them if necessary.  I've heard of a few guys taking elk with the .25-06, but not a lot.

So what's your experience with the .257" on elk?

Thanks!

I would go all the way back to your very 1st responce by Coyote Hunter...that is very sound and knowledgable advice.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2011, 05:18:17 AM »
never said it wouldnt work on elk. What i said is the smaller bore cartidges are very effective if put in the hands of someone that can actually shoot. My disagreement was more toward the guys who think that a 2506 wont do it but a 270 majicaly will. If you look back in my posts youll see where i witnessed a 2506 killing a buffalo cleanly and they weight twice what an elk does. Bottom line is i wouldnt pass up an elk hunt if my only rifle was a 2506 but i doubt it would be my first choise. Id probably grab one of my 7mags or most likely one of the 300 mags in the safe. I love the 257 wby. Its a deer killing sob but to be honest I dont feel its some majical caliber that does anyting the 2506 doesnt unless your using it out past 400 yards and if 400 yard elk hunting was on the plate id feel more comfortable with a 300 mag. 
Lloyd, hogwash, I shot the elk pictured above about 300 yds. 257 weatherby magnum, 120 gn partition went through hips breaking both ball joints and went clear through the elk. he went down and was dead before i could get to him.  why won't you guys believe what you see???  i've seen good riflemen go to the big magnums and become the worst shots at the range. truth known a 30-06 will take elk out to 400 yds. some good riflemen can do better.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2011, 05:45:20 AM »
Good points Lloyd, but I'ld suggest that anyone figuring to go out 400 yd elk blastin has a couple of years of really really serious target work in a variation of weather conditions shooting in field positions, before they go to lobbing those 300's or any other cartridge at unharmed game animals..
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2011, 06:51:39 AM »
Good points Lloyd, but I'ld suggest that anyone figuring to go out 400 yd elk blastin has a couple of years of really really serious target work in a variation of weather conditions shooting in field positions, before they go to lobbing those 300's or any other cartridge at unharmed game animals..

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2011, 06:58:27 AM »
I've read through this thread several times and I cannot find any posts where anyone has said that the .25'06 "Won't Do It" on elk and I can't find any posts where anyone has Trashed Cartridge X.  ???
 
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2011, 01:46:34 AM »
Ranch13 I agree totaly but the the cold hard realitiy is a good percentage of poor shooters will do it. What ive found is most poor shooters wont admit to you or even themselves that they cant make a shot and if nobodys looking blaze away. I know that NO rifle will make up for bad shooting and an animal can be wounded with a 300 mag just like it can with a 2506 but the 300 mag does do enough more damage inside an animal that at least in a few circumstances it will make a differnce in how long that animal suffers. Im kind of a hypocrit because i go both ways on this. During regular deer season when shots dont come much past a 100 yards youll see me out in the woods with a 250 or 257roberts or even a handgun but when we do crop damage shooting for the most part those guns stay home and the minimum i will take out is a 2506 and about 80 percent of the time youll see me out there with something like a 257wby 264 or a 7 or 30 mag of some sorts depending on the field were hunting and how long the shots can be and thats for small deer. Id much rather be caught with to much gun then not enough. For Elk i sure dont think a guy could possibly be out there with a gun that was considered to much but id feel a bit naked on a hunt that the only shot i could get on one was out past 300 yards and all i had was a 25 cal gun. Bring that in to 250 or less and id feel just fine.
 
It boggles my mind that someone would critisize another hunter for using to much gun if hes proficient with it. To me the man that needs critisizing is the one that uses something like a 243 because he doesnt want to put the time in to master a gun that recoils more. Or the other excuse i hear all the time. "I use it because i cant afford another gun" My brother in law is a good example of that. He goes out west mule deer hunting every year and takes a rickety old remington semi auto 06 with a tasco scope. He has a good job and my sisters a teacher. He certainly could afford a gun but is to cheap. If you an afford a 3000 dollar elk hunt you sure can afford to buy an appropriate gun to do it with. Id bet even most guys who live out there and dont pay alot for there hunts that claim its all they can afford are showing up to hunt opening morning in a shiny 30000 dollar pickup. Bottom line is in my opinion if you have to ask if your gun is enough it probably isnt. Oh well i guess ive ranted enough on the subject.
 
Good points Lloyd, but I'ld suggest that anyone figuring to go out 400 yd elk blastin has a couple of years of really really serious target work in a variation of weather conditions shooting in field positions, before they go to lobbing those 300's or any other cartridge at unharmed game animals..
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2011, 03:32:37 AM »
Lloyd I can see why folks might ask if their chosen cartridge is enough gun for elk. There a longton of internet experts out there with little or no real experience on elk, but not a one of them can explain why and how hundreds of folks killed all sizes and shapes of elk pretty damn dead with a single shot from "inadequate" cartridges ranging from the 243 on up, before it became common knowledge that elk are super beast of somesort that almost impossible to kill. In or around 1900 there was a long series of articles when two professional hunters squared off and debated which was the better elk gun, the 30-30 or the 30-40. Bring either one of those two cartridges up and see how fast the ballistic experts fall out of the cracks to give you range limitations, animal sizes etc that can be shot with either...
 Long story short I know silver haired ol grandmothers that have killed more elk with 243's,250's,257 roberts, and the like than a goodly amount of these hairy chested magnum shooters will ever kill. Matter of fact I know one ol gal that spent her best years ranching on the east face of the Bighorns that openly stated anybody using any more gun than her 2520 was just showing off and wasting meat.
 Bullet placement , that's the name of the game, that's what it takes to kill elk, or deer or ......
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