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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2011, 06:01:13 AM »
no doubt your right on all sides of it. My grandpa hunted deer with a 3220 for 50 years or more and luckly nobody told him it wasnt enough gun. I think the big differnce in our thoughts are im posting as it applys to me. Id be on a once in a lifetime hunt vs someone who lives there out for a meat bull or cow that has the whole season to wait for the right shot.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2011, 10:08:28 AM »
Lloyd I'll put it to you this way. The season length is the same whether you live close to the mtn or 2000 miles away.
I'ld suggest as I have often , that if a person is going  on a " once in a lifetime" elk hunt, I think that person is much better off with his trusty 257, or whatever, than than he would be spending the money on a new magnum rifle, scope and all the accessories,plus having to invest the extra pre trip time into getting aquainted with that rifle. That person would be better off to put the money into good elk country hunting clothing and trip expense, and use a rifle that has over the years become just an extension of his arm, served him well and faithfully..Because I can tell you it's a nerve racking experience to hear a hunter, you've just spent 3 days getting up the mountain in the snow, say just as the elk start to come across the clearing as he tries to shoulder the brand new 300 mag the kid at the dept store sporting goods counter back in Iowa told him he needed rather than his trusted 25-06, " man this thing sure kicks"...... That's when you know you're going to have some tracking to do.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2011, 05:23:02 PM »
no doubt your right on all sides of it. My grandpa hunted deer with a 3220 for 50 years or more and luckly nobody told him it wasnt enough gun. I think the big differnce in our thoughts are im posting as it applys to me. Id be on a once in a lifetime hunt vs someone who lives there out for a meat bull or cow that has the whole season to wait for the right shot.

You are right Lloyd.  I do have an advantage living in Co and I don't have the advantage of living on a ranch in elk hunting country and I'm sure not going to pay a guide or some rancher to hunt on his place. 

You take a guy who hunts public land here in Co for elk like me.  I want enough rifle to put an elk down and our game laws are such he who kill gets to tag animal if you have a wounded elk running around the mountains chances are he going to be shot by someone else.  Here in Co good bull units may take up to 17yr or more to draw a tag and that's the way with most western elk hunting states so those are whats call "once in lifetime" hunts here.  I know guys who hunt the dark timber with 30-30 open sight and they get good bulls just different type of elk hunting.

I can afford to build anything I want and I have build a 257Wby had it set up the the solid copper and nephew has it for lead free zones in Calif. 

Ranch 13 if your the same one I've seen your elk picture on reload bench site before and be helpful if you mention were you shot them as I understood it they were on your hay ranch?

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2011, 05:47:05 PM »
Roper yes I've posted pics of a couple of elk that I killed here on my ranch. Not exactly sure what that has to do with anything, they are wild and free ranging elk, the number of permits issued by the game and fish is very limited.  But they are only a small percentage of the elk I've killed and witnessed in the 50 years of elk hunting, in places like the Gros Ventre, Upper Green River, Bighorns, Sierra Madre's, on down to Sheriff and Cabin Creeks in Grand Co. Colorado.
 Any of the .257's considered legal for biggame will do a fine job of killing elk.
 
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2011, 06:51:11 PM »
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/ri40partial.pdf BobMilek penned this for Rifle Magazine clear back in 1975, some of you may find  it interesting.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2011, 12:03:12 AM »
good read thanks Ranch!
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2011, 03:25:44 AM »
Ubetcha Lloyd, I couldn't find it online, but Milek penned an article for Petersons in the late 80's early 90's on all 4 of the 25's and why he liked them so well.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2011, 03:39:24 AM »
That was a great article...makes me want to rethink my views of the .25'06. Bullet technology has improved greatly since the mid-70's.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2011, 04:06:49 AM »
Now you need to post Bob Petro's article on Tuning Hornet Rifles
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2011, 04:19:54 AM »
Now you need to post Bob Petro's article on Tuning Hornet Rifles
Who's Bob Petro and what would that have to do with hunting elk with a 257?
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2011, 05:48:33 AM »
Now you need to post Bob Petro's article on Tuning Hornet Rifles
Who's Bob Petro and what would that have to do with hunting elk with a 257?

In the contents of the PDF that you posted the link too, was an article by Bob Petro on Tuning the Hornet...and it has nothing to do with shooting elk with a .257.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2011, 01:59:34 PM »
only problem is since 1975 home computers came along and animals evolved into much tougher things to kill. Its called "compter generatated increased BODY SIZE" or for us layman increased bs.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2011, 02:29:42 PM »
 ;D Amen brother Lloyd , amen. ;)
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2012, 11:48:58 PM »
I know this is an old one, but since I have read through it, and actually have been "that" hunter with my 25-06 I felt a need to throw in my .02.

I got a chance to hunt CO the last year out of state over the counter tags were sold. I had several choices available to me with caliber to carry on the trip. I took three rifles since I had no idea of the actual terrain we would be in.

The trip for me and my bud was like being thrown out on a Mars landscape with us being used to E. Texas woods and river bottoms. We went up a week in advance to scout and see what was in store. Of the rifles I took I was VERY accustomed to shoot them all, and in the months preceding the trip spent hours shooting them all at extended ranges to work out the details of drop and such in every available situation I could. The calibers I took were my 25-06 24" Rem BDL, my .270 22" Rem BDL, and my 7mm Rem mag, in a Sendero. I had loaded up the ammo to what I could effectively keep in a 6" zone at 300yds, which with these particular rifles was pretty easily done. THe 25 used the 115gr Partition at 3150, the .270 a 150gr Nosler Solid Base at 2850, and the 7mm a 162gr Hornady moly coated and loaded to 3100fps.

Of the three all were carried out during the week we hunted. THe 25-06 was one I have hunted with for quite a few years and will still easily put 5 shots into a 1" or less group at 200yds day in and day out. It was, of the three, the one I relied on.

In the time spent we had already decided that anything past 300yds was out of the question depending on the area we were hunting, so that in of it's self was one factor. The second was we had to actually find the darned elk. A factor which never came into play unfortunately. The last was IF we found them, how would we go about setting up for the shot. Between the two of us we are both very accomplished hunters and shooters, and pride ourselves on the fact if it bleeds we can find it.  We had no intentions even if it was a wold class set of horns of shooting anything we weren't absolutely sure about.

Well I managed to geta nice mule deer out of the trip and we never found the elk. This said, the deer was at a nominal distance of about 30yds at the shot, and when the 115gr Partition hit him, he never moved an inch except straight down and to roll over.

As for the average joe headed to the high country, I am with every post here that says use what your comfortable with.  Once your in that arena, your in another world more or less. Flatlanders simply do not have the time to adjust to the atmospheric conditions of going from several hundred feet, or in my case 30 something feet above sea level to anywhere from 4-10K feet above, and finding breathing a viable option. The one fellow in town we spoke with extensively said the best way for us to get aclimized, was to strap on all our hunting gear and hike up there from TX. Even if your a calm collective hunter, when your packing around a 7-9 pound rifle in the high country your going to be breathless when the time for a surprise shot come up. In this time, the least of your worries should be how well you shoot your new rifle, in what ever magnum caliber the internet or big box store salesman said you had to have to kill an elk.

The 25's and the great bullets available today, when put through the vitals will effectively disrupt the breathing and blood pressure just fine. The major issue is putting the shot where it needs to be and not simply shooting AT the animal with your uber magnum that supposedly will knock an elephant off it's feet. 

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2012, 01:02:27 PM »
That was a great post 41 mag.  8)
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2012, 12:58:07 PM »
well, here recently we had a bunch of hunters on some oryx which are everybit as tough, if not tougher than elk.  the only one shot kill of the day was my daughter with a 243 with 85 gr barnes tipped bullets.  major damage through both shoulders.  died within 30 yards.  there was a 300 weatherby guy, a 375 HH guy, a 30/06 guy, and a 444 marlin guy, all had to have multiple shots.  this example plus the other elk her and her brother have taken with one shot kills tell me her choice is plenty enough. 
 
 
it's really more in the bullet than the cartridge choice.  something people that buy big boomers in expensive custom guns hate to hear.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2012, 02:05:43 PM »
Where are you that you have so many Oryx?

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2012, 03:52:24 PM »
well, here recently we had a bunch of hunters on some oryx which are everybit as tough, if not tougher than elk.  the only one shot kill of the day was my daughter with a 243 with 85 gr barnes tipped bullets.  major damage through both shoulders.  died within 30 yards.  there was a 300 weatherby guy, a 375 HH guy, a 30/06 guy, and a 444 marlin guy, all had to have multiple shots.  this example plus the other elk her and her brother have taken with one shot kills tell me her choice is plenty enough. 
 
 
it's really more in the bullet than the cartridge choice.  something people that buy big boomers in expensive custom guns hate to hear.

Or they can use the best bullets in their expensive guns. But you are right that the bullet is most important, it is the only thing that comes in contact with the game until they are down.
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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2012, 03:39:13 PM »
dukkilr, New Mexico has an oryx season.  The NM fins & feathers department released them onto White Sands in the '70s, IIRC.  Don't know whether that's where mk454 is, but thought you'd find the info of interest.

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2012, 08:06:49 AM »
I would have to SEE an Elk before I could answer your question about using a .257 on one. When I Elk hunt they seem to migrate to Mongolia or New Guinea only to return when I have gone home. But, a well-placed shot should work..., at least I think it would. Don't have any experiance with Elk to know....
 

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Re: Does anybody use a .257" on elk?
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2012, 04:13:32 PM »
The 6.5x55 is alright for moose but the .257 WBY Mag isn't big enough for an elk? If the your state you hunt elk says it is legal to use than usually means that it is more than enough for elk. I have read where folks use a .243. Just because you have a rifle and you are hunting with it, it doesn't mean you have to shoot everything 400+ yards away. Not everyone can handle a super extreme .30 or 338 Mag rifle.