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« on: March 31, 2004, 09:32:09 AM »
Ya know shipping stuff really gets me riled sometimes...I just got some 360 DW cases from Midway....I like Midway......but when I lived in Tulsa Oklahoma (a bordering state to the Midway store!) it took me 4 days to a week or better to get stuff shipped from them....its sent ground and the truckers drive 85 to 90 MPH on the Turner Turnpike to get to Tulsa!!!anyway....I ordered the 360 DW cases this past SUNDAY night...I got them this morning bright and early (WEDNESDAY) in South TEXAS!!!!!  :eek:  I'm amazed!!  As a side note...I still have all my reloading stuff in Oklahoma...I'm glad I got them so quickly!! LOL  Also just dropped a 360 DW case in the 357 mag barrel................dropped all the way in perfectly and then fell out..... :shock:
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2004, 10:59:10 AM »
Am I correct in assuming a .357 Max is .100 inch longer than a .357 Mag? If that is so how does the .360 case differ? is it longer than a .357 Mag but shorter than a .357 Max? If so by what for each. Also any other differences other than the headstamp? Thanks....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2004, 11:24:33 AM »
MSP Ret ...Yup..the 360 falls between the Mag. and the Max. I believe you are correct although  I also do not have anything with me to measure with as I said all my stuff is still in Okla....I had one gun with me behind the seat in my truck when I came down... my 307 Win. and the 357 mag. barrel in the same case. I have a few 357 rounds in my box in the back but haven't had an opportunity to go shoot since I've been down here. Taking care of my mom is a full time deal.....I'm planning to go up to get some of my creature comforts in the middle of April and I can't wait! I miss my stuff!!! LOL I'm going thru withdrawal here!! :shock:   I just got bored and had to order some of that brass after several discussions here and there. So far so good it dropped all the way in in my barrel....thats all I know for sure right now! :wink:
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2004, 12:55:45 PM »
MSP, the Max is way longer than the Mag. More like 3/10" than 1/10". The .360 is somewhere in between, but I'm not sure where. External dimensions are all the same except for length. Same set of dies will load them all.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2004, 02:02:55 PM »
360 DW Brass and Cartridge Description
      The .360 DW brass was conceived from .357 Remington Maximum brass cut back to 1.420" which gives it a trim length between the .357 Remington Magnum (1.29") and the .357 Remington Maximum (1.6").  Starline Brass Company has produced brass that is head stamped "360 DW" with a 1.41" trim length.  This is a lengthened .357 Remington Magnum case, for use with the heavier bullets such as the Sierra 170 and 180 gr., which are too long at the heel to allow proper seating to the cannelure in the .357 Remington Magnum case.  The new Dan Wesson Firearms' model 360/7360 Large Frame Series revolver's longer cylinder and the new 360 DW brass from Starline allow the use of these bullets properly seated. Performance for the 360 DW cartridge  approaches some of the loads for the .357 Remington Maximum but at .357 Remington Magnum pressure.  Accuracy is excellent at distances required for most hunting and silhouette situations.
http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/360loads.htm
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2004, 02:14:39 PM »
Thanks DJ and Ganjiro, Guess I'll have to call midway and order some .360 brass, so many things to play with!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2004, 02:25:46 PM »
I got all they had  MSP Ret.  they don't have any more... :rain: ..you waited too long.....  :mrgreen:  ............................................................................................................................................................Just kiddin! :-D
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2004, 02:42:06 PM »
Boy Deadeye, I guess in the long run we are both lucky, I passed on a .357 Max that someone else here bought, he is now happy.  I am happy to say I have a receiver at H&R now being fitted for one of the last few .357 Mag barrels, that makes me lucky and happy. You got the .360 brass, that makes you happy and lucky, we are all happy campers... I'll try to find some somewhere that has some .360 brass. I think I read there were 2 places that had it. I guess I could always order some .357 Max brass and cut it down a bit, or rechamber to .357 Max, or try to buy about 20-50 rounds of .360 brass from you!!! By the way, how much did you buy??? I case you don't have enough anyone out there know where there is any .360 brass for sale??? Happily there is a solution to every problem, we just have to keep our minds and hearts open and look for it....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2004, 02:58:39 PM »
:D , Hey Deadeye, nevermind,,, found some, found a lot, let me know if you or anyone else need some. I can get it for you, as a matter of fact if anyone out there wants to get in on a group purchase of 500 or 1000 pieces of brass we can get together and some some $$$....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2004, 04:18:03 PM »
Just came in from the loading room and my new .360 DW brass. I loaded a round each of 158 gr XTPHP, 180 gr Hornady SSP, 180 gr XTPHP, 200 Rem PSP. They all chambered just fine. It was the unchambering that was the problem! With the bullets loaded in the cannelure, it was sticking in the rifling just a little bit too much. A slight bump with a cleaning rod and they came right out. (They didn't chamber right until I ran them through the sizing die)

I ended up with an OAL of 1.708" for the pistol HP's and 1.99" for the pointy bullets.  The .360 DW Starline brass measures 1.41" and .357 Mag brass measures 1.285".

I used Lil'Gun on all of them and just kinda guessed at the loads.

I figured I could use 20.0 gr Lil'Gun in the .360 if I was using 19.0 gr in the .357 Mag with the 158 gr XTP. Since I only have one round of each to see if the chamber is right for the round, they won't be too hard to erase if you think I have over loaded. Basically, I have increased the loads I was using by 2.0 gr.

EDIT: I'm trying to figure out why the max load in the .360 DW is less than the max load for a .357 Mag.  Hodgdon lists 18.0 gr Lil'Gun as a max load for the 158 gr XTP in a .357 Mag.  Dan Wesson lists 17.3 gr as the max load with the same bullet in the .360 DW.  Both are for 10" barrels.
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2004, 05:27:05 PM »
Here is what the new "toys" look like.

http://forums.handloads.com/uploads/Paul5388/A719D_HPIM0085.JPG

The brass cases are the .360 DW's and the nickel cases are .357 Mag.

This link probably won't work unless you Copy and Paste in a new window, but it is working for me.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2004, 06:12:37 PM »
What forum is this posted in Paul5388? linky no worky  and it won't let me  copy and paste either?  ( I guess I could physically write it down thou...dang I'm lazy! :mrgreen: )

You said your using these in a 10 inch barrel? I'd like to know how they turn out...My 357 mag barrel is a chop to 16 in.... It shoots great with the 357 mags! The other 357 barrel I have shot really bad with the 357 Mags. (same very accurate rounds that shoot great in one rifle but not in another..weird!!) so I bored it out to 357 MAX.

MSP Ret...I was just kiddin ya about buying out Midway  :roll:  but glad you found some...we prolly should have gone in on a group buy and saved a little moola! By the way I bought 200 so if they won't shoot in either of my rifles..I got a deal for ya!!  :)
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2004, 06:33:27 PM »
Deadeye,

The thread where the pics are posted is here: http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1061&PN=1&get=last#16379

I'm right on the way to Tulsa from the Houston area so you could drop the .360 DW's you don't want right here!

BTW, I'm using a regular 22" Handi.  The Hodgdon data and Dan Wesson data were both with 10" barrels.

The link worked when I checked it in the preview.
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2004, 06:40:47 PM »
OK...I found it over there..under rifles...nice looking line up there...I'm kinda getting into the pointy bullets myself...I ordered a new seater screw for pointed bullets for my lyman dies but it still doesn't work too good..I need a longer one but it does keep from making the small flat spot on top of the jacketed bullets...not that it would hurt anything...I got a friend that poured up some 130 grain cast pointy bullets for the 357...they are pretty sharp..haven't shot any yet..had to leave suddenly and left my stuff in Tulsa. They have G.C.'s and lubed and all come in at about 134 grains..I have a digital camera but currently am to stupid to figure out how to upload them...Maybe later...let us know how those particular loads of yours shoot.....

Edited to add...the last link worked just fine!!  :)  Thanks...
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2004, 07:03:13 PM »
Deadeye,

I'm using the seating punch out of my .35 Whelen dies to seat those bullets.  I have 4 sets of .357 dies that are set up for different applications.  I just set up one set for the .360 DW and it works with the pointed bullets or the XTP's.

It's hard to post pictures on this site, that's why I link to another site.
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2004, 02:19:24 AM »
Thanks Deadeye, I may be getting in touch....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2004, 03:09:00 AM »
HUMMMM I wonder if I could ask Lyman for the seater screw for a 35 Whelen...I wrote and told them what I needed....The one they sent me is really too short...for the longer cases I run out of thread and it backs right out of the top of the die....don't know what they sent me....also I have a set of dies that I got when I was in High School. (that was a couple days ago!) the dies themselves look short as dies go today...... I was surprised the new stem was the same threads!


MSP Ret...don't get too excited yet...I still gotta wait several weeks to get my reloading equipment down here.....then find a moment to got test the loads out....I still don't know how far I got to drive to find a place to shoot either....maybe I should check that out first! LOL
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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2004, 04:07:25 AM »
OK Deadeye, take your time, I'm still waiting for my .357 barrel. The problem I have is not in finding .360 brass but because I live in the liberal socialistic state of Massachusetts. Our sick (democrat) Atty General, who by the way just denied the Gov's (republican) request to put a hold on Homosexual marriages until the people can vote on the issue, the legilature has voted in an amendment which forbids them and allows for a "civil union" but it is not finalized yet. anyway, our anti-american democratic Atty Gen. has sued some dealers (Midway included according to the salesman I spoke to) for selling/sending ammo or any reloading components to individual citizens/residents of Massachusetts. It's OK for individuals to send them one to another, it's OK to sell/send to a dealer, but a company cannot sell and send to an individual in Mass!!! Stupid to the 10th degree, I guess to many mass murderers and bank robbers as well as gang bangers were sitting home art night reloading up a batch of ammo. Never saw it or heard of it though...Sorry I got carried away with my loss of freedom... I can find it for sale, but have to have someone out of state or a dealer buy it for me, if I go to a dealer he tacks on a profit, I would just like to pay the cost plus shipping.......Thanks for letting me vent...........<><... :(
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2004, 04:34:37 AM »
Ah yes...you live in the "friends of Comrade Teddy" state...Well MSP Ret  you just let me know what you need and I will Personally see that you get it!!!! What a pain in the rear though...but we'll get it done if need be....Geeze that just burns me up too! I feel bad for ya...but that kind of crap is starting to take a foot hold every where...the sheeple better get active before its too late...errrrr in some cases it already is....people don't realize the only people that are hurt by these new asinine laws are law abiding citizens...not the Bankrobbers,mass murderers and the gang bangers...(I'm sure you already know this being in the profession you are in) HEY!  Don't get me started here bright and early...I take blood pressure medicine already!!!  :)   Have a nice day sir!  :wink:
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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2004, 04:38:20 AM »
MSP,

I went to the Starline site and they offer the .360 DW brass for only a little more than Midway.  That still doesn't help with your situation, but it might be nice to know in the future.
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2004, 09:55:48 AM »
MSP Ret if you will IM  me a mailing address I'll send ya a few to fondle  while your waiting for your barrel..it will be something for you to tinker with anyway... :lol:  Thats pretty much what I'm doin with them till I can get my reloading stuff moved down here... . heck you may even beat me to the range with some loads....  Let me know I'd be glad to share.... :wink:  Looks like paul is laying the ground work for us on the loads though....keep up the good work there guy!! :agree:
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2004, 02:26:51 PM »
I really only had time today for a function check.  All of the loads I mentioned above functioned flawlessly.  I did notice vertical stringing, but I had about 5 different loads on the paper!

I think I like 'em!
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2004, 04:18:40 PM »
Cool paul...I hope I can get mine to shoot... course with mine they are going to be exiting the barrel after 16 inches instead of 22...but still may better the 357 mag loads I shoot in that barrel..they are really accurate..I don't know what they crono thou...they are not really hot but super accurate in the barrel.......I think its something like 13.4 grains of 2400...... I may be wrong there...I don't have any of my records with me...keep up the good work laying out the ground work for us lazy guys....  :grin:
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2004, 06:53:57 PM »
Deadeye,

I was looking for some loads for this .360 (no sense in reinventing the wheel) and found this site.
http://www.lasc.us/RangingShotDanWesson360Revolver.htm

It has some very interesting loading data at the bottom of the article.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2004, 04:47:22 AM »
WoW..thanks for the link paul5388...always good to see the best shootin powders are the ones I have on MY shelf! ha   :wink:
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2004, 03:57:30 PM »
Deadeye,

I let #1 son shoot the group today at 100 yards and got 1 3/4" group.
http://forums.handloads.com/uploads/Paul5388/C83FZ_scan0001.jpg
This was 17.0 gr Lil'Gun with 200 gr Rem PSP in Starline .360 DW brass, CCI 400, taper crimp and an OAL of 1.99". He rested the gun on the forearm screw, with a sand bag under the rifle butt.

I think I'll up it another .5 gr tomorrow and see if the group will tighten a little more.

The link worked for me, however, you may need to cut and paste into a new window to get it to view.
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2004, 05:12:07 AM »
I wouldn't swear to it but I think I bought some of those bullets at the last gun show I went to in Tulsa before I left to come down to S.Texas.  Looks pretty good there! geez I can't wait to get my stuff down here...course getting out to shoot anything I load up will be the next challenge!!  Keep up the good work..... :-) How many sons ya got anyway?? I only got one  and he's 34..he's got one too now and he's 8 M.O.... Thats why I keep buying stuff to pass along to the grandson....hehehe :roll:
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2004, 05:26:06 AM »
:D , Life really don't get much better than that Deadeye....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2004, 05:46:37 AM »
You got that right MSP Ret!  I miss um too! I was going down to Dallas about every 3 to 4 weeks to visit....I got a granddaughter too....shes 2-1/2....the boy is the same weight as his sister!! :shock: he's going to be a monster! LOL  I already bought him a fleese camo outfit and a camo boonie hat at 5 mo.....course hes already out grown them but I got pic's...LOL
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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2004, 05:52:16 AM »
Deadeye,

I only have one son, that's the reason he's #1!  He's 37 and #1 grandson is 11 yrs old.  I have 8 grandchildren, but he's actually the oldest!.

To me, S. Texas is anything on the coast.  If one was to travel the Indian Nation Toll ripoff turnpike, he would probably pass within 6.5 miles of where I am (in case you want to drop off some of that .360 DW brass!) getting there.

BTW, I couldn't stand it and loaded 18.0 gr instead of 17.5 gr in the 200 gr Rem PSP's.  I also loaded 19.0 gr behind the 180 gr XTP's.
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