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Offline woodseye

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« on: April 05, 2004, 01:29:52 PM »
Well I promised a post when I started shooting the Savage and here it is........

I originally planned to make each mod and shoot before and after to record any improvements, this was the plan in a perfect world with lots of time and energy. Unfortunately my current job provided neither so things were done more all at once and range work (for me in the backyard at a bench) was done between bad weather which is common this time of year.

First thing was go over gun and check it out......four observations -

     The accu trigger thats supposed to adjust down to 2 1/2# is bottomed out and still about 3 1/4#. Thats not bad for hunting but would like it better around 2 1/2# for load development and target shooting. This is the second Savage ML'er that tested over three at lightest setting out of box. I called Savage and inquired into getting alighter spring to move the pull weight down and was given the runaround and finally told no that these triggers were only serviced by Savage at their factory. This is my third accu trigger gun and they are all well over the stated weight as per Savage add copy. Oh well I'll remove the spring and clip to the desired weight and remake the tail on it for adjustment.

     The stock is real close to the barrel on one side and looks good on the other.

      The gun is quite barrel heavy with poor balance.

      The ramrod is the same old plastic noodle that was supposed to be replaced with a stiffer fiberglass in the accu trigger guns.....both new guns are not supplied with updated RR. I know I can have Savage ship me one but I probably wouldn't like it much either.

Fit and finish are fine and with gun in tow I head for the local gunsmith to have some mods preformed. I had two inches removed from the barrel to shorten and lighten it along with restoring a little balance, I had the barrel recrowned with an 11 degree target crown that looks just like a funnel on the end and will be easy when pouring powder in it. I have him fill the blind magazine hole in the stock and glass bed the action and recoil lug from the bolt to the barrel nut. Last I have him fill the screw hole the rear site screw left and waited for his call.

When the gun was ready I picked it up and installed a XS power rod of solid alumunum shortened to the new barrel length. I made a bullet starter by cutting a 223 brass in half and drilling out the primer for a screw to drop in and go thru, than I filled the case with epoxy and pushed the end of the SST bullet into it with grease on it. When hard I removed the bullet and had a perfect shaped brass bullet starter for the RR end that fits thru the thimble. I took the stock off and sanded the tight side out to give the barrel channel equal room on each side the barrel. I cleaned the barrel well with solvent and a bronze brush and ended with taking a sabot and filling the side grooves with JB bore paste and shooting it out. Another thorough cleaning and I was range ready.

Day One....I begin shooting with VV N110 powder - Remington primers - and 250gr Hornady SST sabots.  After getting on paper I notice it is vertical stringing at 50yds by about 2" and at 100yds it opens up to about 4" of high and low shot strings. The bolt will not slide back when lifted to the top and needs to be tapped with a rubber mallet Grrrrrrrr.......this is not going well at all.

Day Two.....I have posted my problems on the Savage ML'er message board and among the myrid answers I notice two posters (Mike and RB) are saying pitch the primers and try some different brands. I drive the 30 miles to the nearest supplier and score some Winchester (the only brand he stocks). Start with 42 grains of N110 and the gun comes to life with the bullet stringing gone and bolt working smoothly :>) I ease up to 42.5 grains and the groups tighten more with no recoil at all to speak of. Last two groups are .750 and .685 for three shots at 100yds. At fifty it shoots three sabots thru the same hole!

I'm sure with only two sessions under its belt the gun will still tune a little tighter and this is just with one powder and bullet combo, and only adjusting charge weight. I tried some AA5744 at 44 grains and it wouldn't group under 2" and the gun didn't seem to like it nearly as much.


The balance of the gun isn't perfect but a world better than out of the box, if I could go back I would have had 3" cut rather than 2". The SST's load tight but not bad and the bullet starter works great. I did have to use off-set inserts in the signature rings to center the Conquest reticle and keep it near the adjustment center. I still want to lighten the trigger about 1/2# more on low setting for target work now that I see its accuracy potential.

Final.....I believe it will shoot 1/2" groups at 2300fps with very mild recoil (about like my 7mm-08) and the SST's are the ticket in mine for the velocity I want to push them as well as the VV N110 being the best powder for straight loads (with the results I'm getting I doubt I will try the IMR SR4759). I will play with some reverse duplex loads of IMR 4198 and N110 when I'm done as well as fine tuning the weight of my powder charges. I will post up some pics of the crown and bedding when the film is developed as well as a pic of the gun on the bench. Will also chrono the final accuracy loads I arrive at and give its velocity in the 22" barrel (probably about 50fps slower than 24" factory length)

I'm very happy with the gun all in all and would reccommend one to anyone........if you don't want to do a lot of tuning and playing you could try one of the Henry Ball guns that Randy is selling to start about where I'm at with my bedding and tuning mods. Remember if you bed, just skim it up to and around the pillars but keep the action setting on them, and bed good around the recoil lug. Tighten the forward action screw first and then tighten the front trigger guard action screw last. Make sure the rear tang and barrel are floating. I load with the sabot petals at the same place each shot.

AND DON"T USE REMINGTON PRIMERS!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 06:05:37 PM »
Hello Woodseye,

Thank you for the report! Apparently, Savage might be in need of the new space-age "instant fiberglass detectometer"? It seems more than a few of the old plastic rods have been shipped. Sounds you are making good progress-- I don't care for the flimsy plastic stocks, either. Some folks must, though, as that has been Savage's #1 selling model. It saves weight, but at the expense of balance as you have noted.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2004, 11:38:10 PM »
Hi Randy, if your going to turn the entire thread into an anti duplex load thing because of one sentence in my post its really not that much sense in leaving it up. We disagree on the validity of these loads but to use my one reference in a lengthy post to build a case for your opinion on duplex is really just defeating the purpose of the other info. The gun mods and experiences are the point of the thread.........


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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2004, 11:47:36 PM »
Quote from: woodseye
Hi Randy, if your going to turn the entire thread into an anti duplex load thing because of one sentence in my post its really not that much sense in leaving it up. We disagree on the validity of these loads but to use my one reference in a lengthy post to build a case for your opinion on duplex is really just defeating the purpose of the other info. The gun mods and experiences are the point of the thread.........


   woods


Hi Dave,

You are absolutely right, and I'm absolutely wrong. My comments belong on a different thread, and that's where they will be placed. Sorry about that; your modifications are indeed the "crux of the biscuit."

What scope did you end up with on your 10ML-II? I know you have an affinity for seeing what you are shooting at! :shock:

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2004, 10:39:23 AM »
Thank you for the move of thread, I am using a 3.5x10x44 Zeiss Conquest on the ML'er and its working well. I agree most guys would never need to go beyond the VV N110 - IMR SR4759 - or AA 5744 powder to find a truly accurate load and one that don't kick the stuffins out of you either. I'm still contemplating a third pillar like Henry is doing to make the action stay put during bolt removal, I haven't found it to be a problem at this point maybe due to the rather tight fit of the action and recoil lug in the bedding. It still may be a future mod as well as another inch of barrel removal. Since there is no headspacing involved and powder weight change is the principal tool for load tuning, I plan on some very slight up and down adjustments to try and wring all the accuracy out of the N110 possible. I am weighing powder charges on an RCBS powder scale and trickling it right to a 1/10 grain. I also want to try several different MMP sabots with the SST's to see if that makes any difference. Will pick your brain on that aspect as you have much more experience than me on the various sabot designs and performance.

If the gun never shoots any better I am happy and accomplished my goal of under an inch and 2300fps with a 250grain bullet. I do however believe that with some work, 1/2" is truly doable with a straight single powder charge at 2300-2400fps and without needing a subbase. The rifle is down to just about 7 1/2# now and with scope should still only go about 8 3/4# ready to hunt and with decent length and balance for the thicker areas where I hunt.

Hey Chuck......how is the testing and shooting going with the Savage? Any loads working extra good for you? I don't know why the 5744 doen't seem to work well in my gun while the N110 seems to do no wrong. I know Randy is getting unbelievable accuracy with the 5744 and wonder if its the 50gr heavier bullet weight.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2004, 04:52:44 PM »
Good shooting, Woodseye!
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