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Offline Col. Nathan C. Riddles

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« on: April 10, 2004, 09:50:33 AM »
It is a well known fact that G.A. Custer's horse, Comanche, was the only survivor of his immediate command at The Little Big Horn. The horse was put out to pasture and was displayed in parades. I read somewhere that after his death due to old age the Army had him mounted and his body is on display in some museum or at some university.

Here's my question. We all know that horses were very necessary to the Indian way of life and quite valuable to them. Surely after the battle ended they rounded up every cavalry mount they could. Has anybody ever read an account of how Comanche was recovered by the 7th Cavalry?

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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2004, 11:57:12 AM »
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Seems to me, the horse was injured.  After the battle, the Indians broke camp because they knew that the Army would be after them.  An injured horse would be of no value to them on a forced march, so they probably just left it behind, to be found by the Army later.

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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2004, 12:01:40 PM »
:D  That would make sense Shorty.

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2004, 04:19:13 PM »
"Comanche was a 15 hand bay gelding, thought to be part mustang and part Morgan. He was bought by the U.S. Army in 1868 in St. Louis, and sent to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He was a good looking horse, and instead of being kept with the regular cavalry, Captain, Myles Keogh, bought him for $90 to use as his personal mount. He normally rode his horse Paddy on marches, Comanche following with the other extra horses. Comanche was the horse Captain Keogh rode into battle, the horse being fresh because he was only mounted at the last moment before the fighting began. He was a war horse.Captain Keogh was in Custer's 7th Cavalry. In the fall of 1868, his unit fought the Comanche tribe in Kansas. During the battle, the horse was wounded, but the Captain did not know that and continued to fight from his back until the battle was over. Afterward, he discovered an arrow broken off in the horse's hindquarters. The wound was treated and after the horse recovered, he had earned the name Comanche for his bravery in continuing to carry his master despite his own pain.In 1870 during a battle again against the Comanche tribe, the horse was wounded in the leg. He was lame for over a month this time, but recovered. Then, in 1871, Comanche was wounded in battle once more, this time in his shoulder, and once again, he recovered quickly. The cavalry was very proud of this brave horse who continued to go into battle despite being wounded so many times.In 1876, Captain Keogh rode Comanche into the valley of the Little Big Horn and the battle known as Custer's Last Stand. This time they were fighting the Soux and Cheyenne tribes, and it was the last great battle for the Native Americans. They defeated the 7th cavalry and killed every soldier. The only member of the 7th cavalry left alive after the battle was Comanche. Comanche was found two days after the battle with many wounds, and was very weak and barely able to stand. He was taken in a steam boat to Fort Lincoln, where he was so weak he had to be supported by a sling. He was nursed back to health, once again recovering from his battle wounds.Comanche was officially retired and it was ordered that no one would ever ride him again. He was called "the Second Commanding Officer" of the 7th Cavalry. His only duties were to be lead in the front of official parades occasionally. It is said he developed a fondness for beer in his later years, and was such a pet at the fort that he was often indulged in this habit. He lived to the age of 29, and when he died his body was mounted and put on display at the University of Kansas, where it stands to this day."  http://www.equinenet.org/heroes/comanche.html
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2004, 11:00:56 AM »
Some more interesting (to me) info on cavalry horses in general, and Comanche in particular.

http://www.kshs.org/publicat/khq/1977/77_3_gray.htm
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2004, 10:23:39 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2005, 05:17:07 PM »
From  what I was told by the tour guides while visiting the Little Big Horn battle sight, every member of the 7th Cavalry did not die at the battle.  Custer's command consisted of somewhere around 600 men.  (I don't remember the exact number.  Its been several years since I was there.)  In the battle 200 plus were killed or somewhere around half his total command.  Custer had split his force in to three different groups.  One group under Major Reno was ordered to sweep the lower end of the Little Big Horn valley.  They didn't find any Indians.  Custer with a group under him and a second group under Colonel Keogh had planned an attack from both sides to catch the Indians between the two groups.  One thing that led to Custers down fall was the fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs had told the army that there were only a few thousand Indians scattered over the area in small groups.  However, the Indians had a big rendevous there every year.  It is estimated that there were 12,000 to 15,000 Indians gathered there with at least 4,000 to 6,000 of them warriors.  And the Indians didn't attack Custer, he attacked the Indians.

Only the group directly commanded by Custer was wiped out to the man.  Keogh continued to fight the Indians and was rejoined eventually by Reno's force.  The two of them fought the Indians for three days until the Indians broke off the battle and just left.  The reason the Indians quit the battle was that another large group of soldiers arrived on the scene.  The Indians seldom fought pitched battles with the army.  They didn't have the manpower.  They were guerilla fighters.  They generally only attacked when the situation was well in their favor.

Custer's 7th Cavalry was only a small part of a much larger operation by the army sent out to force the Indians back on the reservation.  The entire operation was commanded by General Crook.  It consisted of three separate forces approaching from three directions to try to catch the Indians in the middle.  Custer's cavalry was a part of one of these three forces.  The rest of the force that Custer was a part of was infantry.  The commander of that group ordered Custer to proceed ahead to scout for the Indians because his cavalry could move faster than the infantry.

When Custer spotted the Indians he could not see and did not have any idea how many there were.  By attacking before the other units arrived on the scene Custer sealed his own doom.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005, 02:34:09 PM »
Win 73,
I think you are confusing Miles Keogh and Benteen(sp?)
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2005, 06:27:04 PM »
Rem

You are right.  You jogged my memory.  It was Captain Benteen and Major Reno that Custer put in command of the other two groups that he split off from his main command.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 04:47:42 PM »
In the what it's worth department the US Forest Service named a Campground just west of Custer, SD after Commanche. There is an informational sign in the campground pretty much giving the story that's been related here. In the early 80's (1984?) the Hell's Angel's used Commanche as the site of their annual world run. I been to a lot of FS campgrounds and most are named after a geographical feature like Bare Lake Campground, this is the only one I've seen named after a horse. CH
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2005, 07:20:34 AM »
What a good thread!  Yes, most of Reno's, and all of Benteen's men survived, as they were separated from Custer by about 4 miles in the actual attack.  Comanche was the horse of Keogh.  Keogh died with Custer.  All were part of the 7th Cavalry.  No one envisioned that so many indians were encamped along the Little Bighorn.  It had been an unusually wet year and trees, brush, and grass concealed the indian camp size.  What was an Army attack quickly turned into a rout.  Reno's group managed to retreat with some casualties because they caught the indian encampment somewhat by surprise.  Custer was not so fortunate, because he attacked, from a different direction, after the indians had been alerted.
     Comanche was the only survivor, of Custer's group, that was immediately recovered, but another horse was later recovered from the indians (although I cannot recall his name, if he had one) when they eventually surrendered (Western Horseman - a year or so ago).  Evidently, all the other horses, of Custer's group, were killed by the indians or the soldiers themselves, as barricades.  Also, Custer was not then currently ranked General, but instead Lt. Colonel.  His rank was reduced at the end of the Civil War, as was that of most officers continuing in Army service.