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Offline Sourdough

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You Can Use Electronic Calls For Bears
« on: April 12, 2004, 07:48:50 PM »
I went to Fish and Game today, and talked to the folks there.  I specifically asked about electronic calls for bears, wolves, and Moose.  They were restricted several years ago, but have been dropped from the ways not to hunt.  Therefore they can now be used.  Flew down to a friends mine today, in the Alaska Range.  Saw fresh bear tracks in the snow on the south side of some of the hills.  They are starting to come out.  Most of the southern faces have melted off.  Still lots of snow down low near the bottoms where the sun does not reach well yet.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2004, 04:57:30 AM »
Have you done any calling, I just ordered a call from

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Have you done any calling, I have a video and am just learning how.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2004, 06:26:09 PM »
I've done it down in New Mexico, called in a Black Bear and a Couger.  Also lots of Cayotes.  I have not tried it here in Alaska yet but will be trying it this spring, soon as the bears come out.  I'll post how it works.  Talked to a State Biologist today he suggest using a Baby Moose sound in the spring.  Now if I can only find out what a Baby Moose sounds like.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2004, 07:58:03 PM »
I looked through the regs also and could not find anything on electronic calls anymore.

BuT: Did you know that to use any scent for bears you need a baiting permit. :roll:
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2004, 09:03:11 AM »
Dave:  You shook me up for a moment there.  On the scent lures, that's a negative.  Read page 20, Definations-Bait "Any material excluding scent lures".  So I'm going to be OK sprinkling Aniss Oil on my way in to my tree stand, to mask my scent.  Also that bear attractor scent, (I can't remember the name) placed on a padd and hung from a nearby tree is legal and not baiting.  As long as it is removed when I leave.  


Also there is beginning to be a movement here in the interior to have Black Bears reclassified as "Fur Bearers".  Don't know how far we will get but it's worth a try.  Last year the state moved 80 some bears from the McGrath area, most were dropped in unit 20-A.  This year the money is not there, but the number of bears are still there.  Nobody wants to go there and hunt them, when they can be had closer.  But by reclassifing them the locals, and some non-locals would be more interested if they could sell the hides.
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2004, 09:18:22 AM »
Dave and everybody:  Talked to a Biologist (I'd rather not use his name) today at Fish and Game.  He said that we should start getting proficient with calls, he does not have a good feeling about our continued use of bait.  He thinks the Animal Right groups are going to get it on a ballot measure.  You know if it goes to a vote the non hunting Anchorage crowd will kill it for the rest of us.  It will be the State verses Anchorage, and since Anchorage outnumbers the rest of the state, they got the votes.  It will be a repeat of the Aerial wolf hunting vote.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2004, 09:40:00 AM »
Look at the general Regs.  I am at work but look at that section.  Not all of the answers are always in the sections of the laws that you think they are!!!!!!!!!
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Page 12 general regulations
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2004, 10:40:01 AM »
Page 12 general regulations says scents may only be used for bears shen you have a baiting permit.

I will call the trooper and ask him to interpert.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2004, 08:59:22 AM »
Called Fish and Game.  Pointed out the contradiction in the regs, they are going to talk to Don Young, the area biologist, and get back with me.  I also explained about not being only interested in Black Bears but Grizzly too.  


I started to send this in a Personal Message, but decided the rest of the Alaskians need this info also.  Especially since the Moose and Caribou are due to start dropping calves anytime now and the bears will be roaming the banks of the rivers.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2004, 09:11:35 AM »
Good to keep the post going.  I have tried to call the Trooper in my area but can not reach him.  Shrimp season opened so he might be out.

This is one of those regs that is probably open to the understanding of the trooper.  It might be his determination as some of the laws are.

Either way we need to find out.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2004, 04:02:00 PM »
F&G got back to me this afternoon and in our conversation:

If you use any scent attractant you must have a baiting permit.

If you use a scent such as anise oil on your boots walking to a "permited" bait stand, that is OK.

If you use a scent such as anise oil on your boots walking to any other stand, that is illegal.

Spreading female bear urine in an area, you need a baiting permit.


Pretty touchy.  I hope this answers you question.  Maybe not the answer your looking for but I'd rather have my butt in a treestand than a jail cell.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2004, 09:44:41 AM »
I agree I don't want any problems with enforcement either.  The Trooper I called yesterday did not get back with me either.  I left a message.  I'm going to the Outdoor Show here in Fairbanks today.  I'm going to bring it up to the biologist that is in charge of the Hunter Safety program, and have him look into it.  I got an entirely differant answer than you did.  They told me at Fish and Game scent lures were OK without a baiting permit.  I've got a baiting permit, but i'm not going to put out bait at one of my old stations there is a grizzly in the area.  I want to try and call him in, and I also wanted to increase my chances with a scent lure.  But I've got to get this clarified before I'm taking scent into the woods there.  The old Station is North of the Yukon, therefore I've got to use a Bow.  I would like to be able to draw him to a predetermined spot, 20 measured yards away.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2004, 07:40:22 PM »
Talked to the head guy in the Fairbanks office today at the Outdoor show.  Pointed out the contradiction in the regs.  He first said that he interperated it to mean that we could use scent lures with bait.  But could also use scent lures alone, without bait.  After rereading the reg, and discussing it with the other person there he decided he needed to check it out Monday.  I'm going to get back with him Monday afternoon to find out what the outcome was.  I'll post it as soon as I hear anything.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2004, 07:55:09 PM »
One of my biggest pet peeves up here is that there are so many regulations and so poorly written that even F&G can't interrpert them all! :roll:

Like I stated before, I am going to find a friend to hunt with that is a lawyer.
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Re: Pet peeve
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2004, 05:43:46 AM »
Quote from: Daveinthebush
One of my biggest pet peeves up here is that there are so many regulations and so poorly written that even F&G can't interrpert them all! :roll:

They only have themselves and the lawyers to blame, since they are the ones that write the actual regulations with the blessing of the AG's office. :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2004, 12:36:41 PM »
"One of my biggest pet peeves up here is that there are so many regulations and so poorly written that even F&G can't interpret them all!"

I take it that you didn't do your income tax this year.  Same thing there!  :)
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2004, 09:23:49 PM »
Finally got feedback from Fish and Game.  We cannot use scent lures for Grizzly Bears period.  Also in order to use scent lures for Black Bear we have to register the location as a bait station.  And each time we move the scent we have to reregister as a new bait station.  Can have only two, at a time.  Cannot hang a scent pad above my boat while drifting down a river, where the wind can catch it and blow it ahead of the boat.  

One more thing (proposial) I am going to bring before the Game Board next year.  They specify Scent Lures are not bait, then treat it and it's use as bait.   Guess I'm back to just using the old calls for bear this year.
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