C & R question

[Mid-Tenn]

Once you submitted you application for a C&R collector license how long did you have to wait before your app was processed and license was received?

[1911crazy]

I think it was around 30 days but it all depends on how much backlog some have gotten it sooner.                             BigBill

Don't sign the orginal make copies first then sign the copies and write "COPY" across the center in big letters too.  Then mail it out to all the wholesalers and dealers.  Then you need to keep a log book on what, when and who you recieved C&R's from.  Its much better if you make two copies of your log book too and keep one in a safe place with the receipts incase one gets stolen or lost.

[Will Bison]

Mine took 38 days.

[Mid-Tenn]

Next question;

I have a few rifles that are C&R approved that I have had for some time, mauser 96's, M1 carbine and a few others. Do I have to catalog these in the book even though I purchased them prior to obtaining the collector license?

Here's another;

I have a 303 enfield that I have sporterized. I cut the barrel back behind the front sight post, recrowned, mounted a scope and replaced the factory wood with a synthetic stock. Does this gun have to be listed C&R even though it has been heavily sportered?

[MGMorden]

Don't log your old stuff. You only log what you obtain while holding the C&R.  These records must be maintained for up to 20 years AFTER you cease collecting, so be prepared for that (though if you drop your license you don't have to log anything new you get, just the stuff you got while you had the license).

As to the Enfield, though you wouldn't have to log it anyways, know that sporterization kills the C&R status.  So you don't have to log it, but for the same reason you can not sell it and ship to another C&R holder.

[1911crazy]

I logged in all my guns into my bound book even my modern rifles and handguns in another section even older purchases of C&R's too.  Plus it helps me keep easier records of everything too.  I also believe if a C&R gun is sporterized in any way its no longer a C&R and must be sold as an "FFL" recorded rifle.                                 BigBill

This means everyone who buys a Yugo SKS and is tricking them out is breaking the law and I find it kind of funny because most post pictures of their tricked out yugo and if the ATF ever wanted to crack down their the bait for sure.

[MGMorden]

This means everyone who buys a Yugo SKS and is tricking them out is breaking the law and I find it kind of funny because most post pictures of their tricked out yugo and if the ATF ever wanted to crack down their the bait for sure.

Not really.  It's perfectly legal to modify a rifle that you bought as C&R to so that it no longer is C&R.  It's just that once it has been modified, it can no longer be transferred as a C&R.  For example.  If you bought a Swede Mauser (in original condition) with your C&R, you could do whatever to it legally.  Cut/crown, replace stock, drill/tap, etc.  All legal.  HOWEVER, once this had been done, if a C&R holder in another state wanted to buy it, they couldn't get it shipped right to them.  The rifle is no longer C&R.    No problem with you having it though.

BTW, you might want to reconsider having your modern rifles logged in.  Your bound book is for C&R acquisitions, and if you log in modern rifles, if you're audited it may look like you were using your C&R to acquire non-C&R items (which is illegal).  When I got my C&R packet they gave me a seperate sheet for keeping track of all of my guns in case they're stolen (it wasn't nearly as detailed as the log book.  Just Name, Model, Serial No. I believe).  

Oh yeah, as to original question (time to get the C&R), it took me about 7 weeks.

[NRAJOE]

Mine took roughly 45 days....
My renewal only took 3 weeks!  

[target22]

I'm still waiting after 51 days. Hope to get it soon.

[DakotaDan]

I'm still waiting after 51 days. Hope to get it soon.

After 60 days, you can phone the National Licensing Center and get help. Details on the ATF website or in application materials. Mine took 90 days and a phone call (bureaucratically 'misplaced.')
-dd

[target22]

C&R arrived at 52 days and my oldest sons first child, a boy. :mrgreen:
I also have a granddaughter but her parents don't seem too keen when I mention taking her shooting, but she is still a baby so I have a few years to work on that. :wink:

[Robert357]

I have two sons both in their early 20's.  One of the hardest decsions is what to do when they want to raid dad's two gun safes for the firearms they know are to be theirs.  The hardest part will be the 22 caliber bolt action rifles I bought to introduce them to shooting.

I remember going out and buying 22 CB shorts for the rifles so that they would have absolutely no recoil and no loud noise to disturb them.  Yes they had hearing protection, but I still wanted to make the experience as pleasant as possible.

I alway also had long and long rifle ammo handy.  It took them both a long time before they really felt comfortable moving up to the 22 LR ammo.  

I actually used 22 single action revolvers and 22 CB shorts to introduce some of my wife's sisters kids (nieces) to handguns.  Once they got comfortable, we worked up to 22 LR.  Then we changed out the cylinders and put in the 22 WRLMag's.  Then when they were comfortable with that I broke out the 357 Mag revolvers and loaded them with 38 Special rounds.    They sort of stopped at 38 Special, but that is still pretty respectable.

Part of me would like to re-experience the thrill of introducing grandkids to shooting sports.  Part of me also says that my dad got to do that with me and I got to do that with my two sons and some nieces, so I shouldn't be too gready.  I should allow my sons to have the fun of that themselves.