Author Topic: TC-H&R comparison (Read 3791 times)

Mac11700 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:18:23 AM »

While the Handi is a great rifle for the money and it does cost significantly less than either the TC Carbine or the Encore...about the only real comparison one can do between them is to say that they are all single shots and let it go. While the Handi can be sent in and have as many barrels put on it as NEF has in stock,you don't have to do this with the TC...aside from astetics the real differences is the strength of the Encore action as compaired to the Handi and the multitude of calibers that are available to the Encore line as a result...

This is like comparing certain brands of cars and the strenght and weaknesses of each.Both are different...both are good single shots...

Both can be very accurate,and both have had their fair share of problems..

If money is a concern...go with the Handi...they offer about 5 calibers in the stainless synthetic version....

If it's not and you have the extra cash...nothing wrong with the Encore line in stainless...

If you want rifle sites on your choice...you'll have to spend more money on having them installed on the stainless Handi......you can get them on the Encore...

Each have their place in the shooting world...and both fill the needs of thousands of shooters...

Mac

scruffy · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:20:04 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Krupinski

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And Thomas, I think you need to go buy a new NEF. I think you'll enjoy entering a whole fun new addicting world we all know and love! Don't fight it any longer. Come to the dark side Luke, I mean Tom.

Probably will at some point, but not a new one. Too many other projects ongoing right now. Can't rember but I think I may even have one stashed away somewhere out in the barn.

Not a new one? If your old one is older than 1987 (year of lawsuit???) NEF won't/can't fit additional barrels on it. Something to be aware of when buying a used NEF.

later,
scruffy

ratherbefishin · « **Reply #32 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:45:57 PM »

I doubt very much I'd be wanting another barrel, too much trouble to send it back[do I understand that each time the barrel is switched you have to send it back, or is it once the new barrel is matched, you can switch back and forth yourself?]I might get additional barrels if it's the latter, but if you have to send it back each time you switch, I'd probably not bother.So- I'd probably pick a calibre I'd like and leave it at that.I am tending towards a 35 whelen , or something similar, which I would probably use for black bear and moose.Too bad they don;t offer that calibre anymore- wonder why?It seems a pretty good choice for large game under 200 yards.

marv · « **Reply #33 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:28:47 PM »

ratherbefishing, Once you have barrels fitted to your action,
You can switch at your whim, does not have to go back except
when you get new barrel. marv.

ratherbefishin · « **Reply #34 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:03:51 AM »

thanks for clearing that up- It wasn't clear to me from the discussions if you had to send it back each time you wanted to change barrels, or if it was as you say a one time fitting.That is a small price to pay for the conveniance [ and price] of being able to accomodate multiple barrels.

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2004, 08:53:29 AM »

Man I would love to have 3 or 4 TC frames. That must be a little pricy tho. Can someone tell me how many complete NEF's i can buy for the same amount? :grin:

marv · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2004, 11:23:45 AM »

The best price I found on TC G-2 frames was $ 234.00 in Ok City.
Stock and barrels extra Most carbine and rifle barrels are about
$ 240 to $260 Wood stock is $100 best buy is H&R -NEF in MHO.
Marv :eek:

Wlscott · « **Reply #37 on:** May 18, 2004, 12:15:45 PM »

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The best price I found on TC G-2 frames was $ 234.00 in Ok City.
Stock and barrels extra Most carbine and rifle barrels are about
$ 240 to $260 Wood stock is $100 best buy is H&R -NEF in MHO.
Marv

So in other words, if we say for the sake of argument, that a TC frame can be bought for around $230.00, three or four frames would run you about $690.00 to $920.00.

A COMPLETE Handi Rifle from Wally World will run you about $195.00.....

So; you should be able to buy 3.5 to 4.7 complete Handi Rifles for the price of three or four TC frames

Ultra's are a little higher. They are usually in the $250.00- $295.00
range (We'll say $275.00 for arguments sake).

So, if you want to go with the Ultra, you can get 2.5 to 3.3 Ultras for the price of three or four TC Frames :lol:

Sorry I couldn't resist

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #38 on:** May 18, 2004, 12:22:51 PM »

But then look at what you got? A weapon system or a mismatch of different parts that require hand fitting for cross compatability.

Apples and oranges, still fruit, just one is smooth and the other burns my stomach.

Couldn't resist!

bgjohn · « **Reply #39 on:** May 18, 2004, 01:37:15 PM »

You're right again Tom. T/C's are my choice too. But then those other guys know what their stuff is worth and charge accordingly.
JM

bgjohn · « **Reply #40 on:** May 18, 2004, 01:39:45 PM »

P.S.

I'm down to only 3 frames. I sold one to my brother. He now has 3 frames.

JM

bgjohn · « **Reply #41 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:00:06 PM »

Go ahead and get one Tom (NEF). You can always use it for a BOAT ANCHOR!

JM

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #42 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:28:50 PM »

Quote from: bgjohn

Go ahead and get one Tom (NEF). You can always use it for a BOAT ANCHOR! :P
JM

Actually John I expect that I eventually will pick one up on a trade at some time in the future, everything seems to come up sometime. I am not planning on looking for one, as I already have everything they can do or be used for covered in spades. Some could be useful as loaners for young or inexperienced hunters, I have given away a few single barrel shotguns of various brands over the years for that purpose.

jeff223 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:39:07 PM »

it looks like we have two jokers hanging out here now

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #44 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:51:20 PM »

Quote from: jeff223

it looks like we have two jokers hanging out here now

Now John is just yanking your chain, but the other comparisons are valid. Like I said earlier people who hang out on different forums often have very different perspectives, often determined by where their interests have taken them.

Bottom line is if you don't like the answers you may receive there, you don't ask the question there. Now I am certain that the fellow that started this post didn't desire anything more than the difference between the systems. I don't want knock anyone preference or interest, like I said they are all valid, there are many more that I am interested in.

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #45 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:55:36 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Krupinski

Quote from: jeff223
it looks like we have two jokers hanging out here now

Now John is just yanking your chain, but the other comparisons are valid. Like I said earlier people who hang out on different forums often have very different perspectives, often determined by where their interests have taken them.

Bottom line is if you don't like the answers you may receive there, you don't ask the question there. Now I am certain that the fellow that started this post didn't desire anything more than the difference between the systems. I don't want knock anyone preference or interest, like I said they are all valid, and there are many more that I am interested in.

mitchell · « **Reply #46 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:01:27 PM »

man i'm telling you this tred is getting old !!!! i'll tell you what i got an old boat anchor setting around here you wanta make a trade?? my anchor for a 243 ultra . i'll bet it will even out shoot your Tc after i play with both of them :-D :-D :-D :-D . at least H&R's look good tc's look like a truck ran over them

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #47 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:09:51 PM »

Quote from: mitchell

man i'm telling you this tred is getting old !!!! i'll tell you what i got an old boat anchor setting around here you wanta make a trade?? my anchor for a 243 ultra . i'll bet it will even out shoot your Tc after i play with both of them :-D :-D :-D :-D . at least H&R's look good tc's look like a truck ran over them

Son, if you really feel the need to defend your choice then I will surrender to your obvious vast experience and competence with these two product lines. But you really wouldn't want what I would offer you on trade for it.

mitchell · « **Reply #48 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:40:45 PM »

dude i said it in a joking maner don't worry about it can us boys stop barking about our toys tonka truck or hotwheel their all fun

Wlscott · « **Reply #49 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:46:20 PM »

Hey guys, this is all in fun. I mean come on, it's not like we're talking politics or something :eek:

It's kind of like the Chevy/Ford discussion (Chevy). Nobody's right (except ME) and nobody's wrong.

Like I said, I would actually like to have a TC. But I'll probably have to get that Barret .50 BMG first :-D

I love all guns equally, I don't discriminate :wink:

jeff223 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:14:35 PM »

Wlscott,like i said there are two jokers here now :?

i for one own both brands,the TC G2 Contender and as you know several nef firearms.one thing i did notice about these jokers,they know how to cut ,copy and paste.

heres to them :toast:

ratherbefishin · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:18:39 PM »

The bestpart about these discussions is you get a lot of diferant opinions and gain knowlege that might well take years to discover all on yourown.Besides, chatting about various guns and experiances is time well spent.I view it as sitting around a camp debating what gun is better than another.And, we all learn something- which was why I opened this topic

Wlscott · « **Reply #52 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:36:40 PM »

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Bottom line is if you don't like the answers you may receive there, you don't ask the question there.

Thomas, this statement kind of confuses me. You seem to be the only one that doesn't like the answers to the original post :eek:

I think that raterbefishin was more or less looking for someone to "talk him into" buying an Ultra or a Handi :-D

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #53 on:** May 18, 2004, 05:10:44 PM »

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I think that raterbefishin was more or less looking for someone to "talk him into" buying an Ultra or a Handi

Well that may have been the case, and if it is, I think he posted in the correct place.

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Bottom line is if you don't like the answers you may receive there, you don't ask the question there.

I am sorry if this statement was ambigious. What I was referring to was more or less supporting your quote above. If he wanted reinforcement for a purchasing decision for a Thompson Center, Remington, Savage or other hand cannon he would have taken over to one of the Thompson Center forums or perhaps the single shot rifles or pistols forums.

Every now and then there are post over on the traditional muzzleloader forum to the effect that the poster asks what has to be done to make the inexpensive rifle kit he wants to perform to the same extent as the more expensive custom rifle kit.

Well after they get past arguing over the cost efficiency, and how many of the inexpensive rifles that can be purchased for the price of the expensive one, they start talking about replacing components.

They talk about replacement locks, barrels, trigger mechanisms and such. Then the conclusion comes out that by the time you have replaced, reworked and fitted all of the components you are at the level and have probably exceeded the costs of the expensive kit in the first place and without the hassles.

There are also similar discussion threads to this one on other discussion forums on this site. They pretty much fall into the pattern this one has. Sorry if you don't like my calling as I see it.

ratherbefishin · « **Reply #54 on:** May 18, 2004, 05:58:42 PM »

There is one thing I thinkl I have learned- the barrel exchange doesn't work for Canadians- can't ship firearms across the border.
I find it amazing the beaurocratic roadblocks governments put in the way of regular law abiding folks- but leave huge gaps in the net for criminals.The biggest threat to our security is smuggled handguns which are freely available in just about any downtown bar.
Like, why on earth would anybody choose a single shot rifle for criminal use?

Wlscott · « **Reply #55 on:** May 19, 2004, 03:54:14 AM »

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Sorry if you don't like my calling as I see it.

Never said that. I wish more people would.

I think I may be partly to blame for the serious turn this thread has taken. I was throwing gas on the fire. Everything was supposed to be tongue in cheek, but I guess that's hard to pick up on when you're reading type instead of listening to actuall conversation :lol:

I still say H&R's RULE!!

scruffy · « **Reply #56 on:** May 19, 2004, 04:22:25 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Krupinski

But then look at what you got? A weapon system or a mismatch of different parts that require hand fitting for cross compatability.

Unfortunately, even with our best efforts, you don't know what your talking about.... :roll:

If you guys are here to start trouble on this forum take it elsewhere. Coming over here, spreading misinformation about a gun you don't own or use, and building up your egos by degrading another weapon are very troll like with comments like boat anchor and comparing them with oranges that make you stomach sick... :roll: There are many others here that own them and use them and are experienced with them that don't agree with your opinion. And your opinion is all second hand and misinformation.....

Like I said, if your here to cause trouble, which is all you've done on this thread, take it somewhere else...

later,
scruffy

bgjohn · « **Reply #57 on:** May 19, 2004, 04:48:42 AM »

Dear Scruffy,
I think you need some Preparation H.

JM :wink:

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #58 on:** May 19, 2004, 04:51:42 AM »

Sorry you feel that way Scruffy, but try to take the time to think that conclusion through.

Once you fit your barrels to a particular frame, can you swap them between other frames without hand fitting? Doesn't sound like you can, your solution is to just buy more complete rifles or pistols. Doesn't sound like a weapon system to me.

Do you guys swap barrels between yourselves, and is there a significant downtime and some expense sending your frame and new barrel back to the manufacturer for fitting? Then what frame do you use with your existing barrels fitted for the one that is in transit? Or do you just use another of your rifles with that ones own particular barrel?

Once you fine tune your trigger and really get it just perfect for you, and make stock modifications to fit your individual characteristics, it seems like you need to again do that to each of of those firearms. It's just nice to be able to swap components without having to have the intervention of the factory or a gunsmith. With Contenders and Encores you can run a couple of frames with a couple dozen barrels, mix and match and try other guys barrels on your individually fitted frame.

Now that sounds to me like a system and not a bunch of mismatched components that require fitting to put them together somewhat.

bgjohn · « **Reply #59 on:** May 19, 2004, 05:07:10 AM »

Tom,
These guys have wasted their money and are living in denial. Fit and finish? Doesn't mean anything to them. It takes an appreciation for quality gained through the years to get to the point we're at. We have to be understanding since they aren't as well off (in more ways than one) as we are. In 20-30 years they might have gained some wisdom and make a move in our direction. In the meantime let them revel in their ignorance. I have spoken.

JM