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Offline dmmorrd

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« on: May 19, 2004, 04:08:31 PM »
Any of you guys with commanders use shok buffs?  Any feeding problems?  I just got a new commander and was wondering if they work ok in the shorter pistol.  I put one in but haven't had the chance to get to the range yet.
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2004, 05:04:09 AM »
dmmorrd:  I have not used the shock buffs before because I want to make certain my slide returns as far back as necessary to properly eject the empty.  I have seen fellas who use them and some say they are ok, some don't notice any difference and some say they notice a difference.

I've had a lightweight commander for better than 35 yrs and have shot some fairly heavy loads through it but have always used a set of heavy Wolff recoil springs or one of their heavy spring kits (22 lb) to take up the additional recoil.  But, my heavy loads were never went beyond the Lyman load data so I don't think I ever 'punished' that pistol.  I do, however, prefer 230 gn ball or its equivalent in that piece, be it ball ammo, hollow-points er whatever, or cast with velocities to at least 875'/sec (book, not chronographed from the shorter Cmmr bbl but prolly 50'/sec slower).  

I have always found the Wolff springs to be excellent in controlling recoil.  They take a bit getting used to, as most 1911s leave the factories with 16-18lb recoil springs and the 22 pounders are definitely stiffer.  I was bangin' away with the thing at the range a couple of weeks ago and let a fella try it out with his ball ammo (new stuff) but when he went to cycle back the slide to chamber the first round he thought there was something wrong with the piece as it was tough to cycle the slide back - then he shot it and felt the difference.  

Regardless, the spring will compress properly to allow proper extraction and spiffy ejection.  I think than when you add additional material (shock buffs) to that equation you may detract from the pistol's ability to funciton properly but, let's wait for someone with actual experience with thsoe things to help you better decide.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2004, 09:31:57 AM »
If there's battering, I'd get a heavier spring rather than using a shock buff. If 16 pound spring is standard, I'd go to 18#.  If there's no battering, I don't think they're necessary.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2004, 04:44:58 PM »
I made it to the range today.  I shot about 150 rounds with no problems.  I agree with removing the shok buf and getting the heavier spring though.  I use shok buff in my full size 1911 and they work great but when I called Wilson Combat and asked about using them with the commander the answer I got was they work well for some people and not others.  This is a brand new gun and will be my carry gun after I get some more rounds though it, I don't want to do anything that might work if you know what I mean.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2004, 10:12:03 AM »
I have seen instances where a shock-buff would not allow the slide stop to engage when pushed by the magazine.  They do short-stop the slide, so you need to be cautious with them.  I agree with the stronger springs.  The standard in a Commander is 18#, so I use a 20# or 22#.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2004, 09:11:12 AM »
The used Commander I just bought had a buffer in it. I removed it. It had several stovepipe jams when I shot it last Sunday. I've ordered a rebuild kit from Wolff, and I suspect the buffer did not help it any.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2004, 03:55:41 AM »
paladyn:  stovepipes might be caused by the magazine - did you try different magazines with that Cmmr and still ahve the stovepipe problem???  Mikey.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2004, 10:42:37 AM »
Actually, I've also ordered new springs for the magazines I was using. I bought them at the gun show too, and on a couple of them I can push the spring almost halfway in with my finger.
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