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« on: May 25, 2004, 06:18:17 AM »
Why do you reload 7.62x39??  I've been thinking about reloading it but i'm on the fence about doing it.                       BigBill

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2004, 11:59:28 AM »
I've bought some dies and brass, but haven't started loading yet.  I'm planning to begin swaging .311 bullets in the next few months (once my tooling is built), and I'm planning to make some bullets in the 130 grain class to shoot in my SKS.

For just blasting away - which is the greatest appeal of the SKS - I'll still use surplus ammo.  You just can't beat the price. 8)
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2004, 12:33:29 PM »
I confess to having not only dies and brand name components (winchester brass and Remington SP bullets) for the 7.62x39, but having committed the ultimate folly of doing load work ups for my son's 7.62x39 modified SKS.

So why did I do it?  I need to put it into context with a story.

I spent a lot of time putting a Choate Monte Carlo camo stock on the SKS, adding a DC Engineering scope mount, a nice Tasco Red Dot site, recoil buffer and a variety of other trick parts.  (I have another SKS that is stock.)  The reason I dolled up this SKS was that I wanted to induce my youngest son with a neat firearm to encourage him to take and pass hunter safety course at the local range.  At our range upon completion of the book work, there is field practical where one has a choice of using a bow, a shotgun, or a centerfire rifle of 6mm or greater caliber.  The idea is that once you prove you can do the paperwork, you need to be able to put 3 arrows or 3 rifle bullet into a target to prove you can actually shot what you are hunting.  For the shotgunners I think you have to break one clay bird out of three shots at a trap range.  While you are shooting the instructor grills you on the safety of your firearm, loading and reloading, and then proper technique.  My son was the envy of the other kids with his wicked looking SKS.  The instructors kind of looked at it a bit strangly, but it was "hunting legal."

After all that, my son wanted to use the rifle to hunt deer.  So I decided what the heck and used existing powders I had on my bench to work up a handload that was more accurate than the surplus ammo.  I loaded 100 rounds of the stuff and put it in my gun safe and we just use it for sighting in and hunting.  If we were going hunting with that, I wanted to make sure I had a good bullet that would do its part if my son connected.

I purchase chicom surplus 7.62x39 ammo by the case for my two sons and their friends to fire in the two SKS rifles.  Considering how much those guys can go through in a day (a couple hundred rounds each---and this is at a range that requires you to load only one cartridge at a time and requires that each shot go on the target or you get kicked off the range), I will not reload for them.

I would only reload 7.62x39 for extra accuracy or to be able to use a name brand hunting bullet.   You are not going to save money, and you are not going to be able to make an SKS a benchloading tack driver.  There are bolt action 7.62x39's out there (SAKO among others) where reloading might yield some spectacular results.  It was a fun challenge to work up an accurate load that would cycle the rifle reliably.  I tried with one powder Alliant 2400 and couldn't get it to work.  I was able to get H-4895 to work well, but the case was very full!

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2004, 02:28:48 AM »
BigBill:  Howdy Buddy - the only reason I would relaod for the 7.62x39 is to make specialty ammo.  There is far too much mil-surp or new production at too inexpensive a cost to consider reloading in bulk.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2004, 03:22:25 AM »
Quote from: Mikey
BigBill:  Howdy Buddy - the only reason I would relaod for the 7.62x39 is to make specialty ammo.  There is far too much mil-surp or new production at too inexpensive a cost to consider reloading in bulk.  HTH.  Mikey.


Mike/guys  I found a set of LEE RGB dies at Midway for $9.89 very hard to resist wether I use them or not the $10 dollars its just hard  not to buy them??  But I may try some reloads to see if I can get that 1 1/2" to 2" groups @ 100yds. tighter with open sites.  I have plenty of surplus 7.62x39 ammo but I may load up to 100rds just to try the accuracy thing out.  I was just on the fence about doing it too.  We can't say its not affordable?   BigBill

I do have one sks all tricked out too with a scope and you guys talked me into reloading for it too.

I also notice that Midway has bullets for the sks too I think their 30cal. 130gr hollow points.

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 12:31:45 PM »
Quote from: BigBill
Quote from: Mikey
BigBill:  Howdy Buddy - the only reason I would relaod for the 7.62x39 is to make specialty ammo.  There is far too much mil-surp or new production at too inexpensive a cost to consider reloading in bulk.  HTH.  Mikey.


Mike/guys  I found a set of LEE RGB dies at Midway for $9.89 very hard to resist wether I use them or not the $10 dollars its just hard  not to buy them??  But I may try some reloads to see if I can get that 1 1/2" to 2" groups @ 100yds. tighter with open sites.  I have plenty of surplus 7.62x39 ammo but I may load up to 100rds just to try the accuracy thing out.  I was just on the fence about doing it too.  We can't say its not affordable?   BigBill

I do have one sks all tricked out too with a scope and you guys talked me into reloading for it too.

I also notice that Midway has bullets for the sks too I think their 30cal. 130gr hollow points.


Be careful there.  You know it's just not the $10 investment.  You then have brass to buy (can't reload the milsurp cases), as well as bullets.  I'm not saying don't do it, just saying that it's going to be more than $10 ;).

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 01:09:19 PM »
I loaded some Hornady Vmax for the sks and found it too shoot about the same as the wolf, barnaul and silver bear.  No accuracy advantage whatever :-)

After using the wolf 154 grain soft points for hog hunting, I would defintetly load my own for deer and probably use the Hornady 150 grainer.

The ammo available for the sks rifles seems not to get much respect.  Probably because of the low price.  After chronographing some of the Barnaul 122 HP's, I was impressed SD was around 12 and extreme spread was very low.  Also, the Barnaul 122 HP ammo proved itself way superior in hog whacking than the Wolf 154 SP ammo.

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 03:09:50 PM »
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The ammo available for the sks rifles seems not to get much respect.  Probably because of the low price.


From my standpoint it's the steel jackets and steel cases (mostly the steel cases).  I don't have an SKS, but that same ammo has given my trouble in one of my .30-06's and my 9mm (gums up the chambers).  I love cheap ammo, but I want the cheapest ammo possible with brass (boxer primed) cases and copper jackets.  Right now Igman is a great deal, and Sellier & Bellot ammo is just superb.  I steer clear of the Russian stuff though.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 03:32:48 PM »
I use all the elcheapo for fooling around, but I do a lot of experimenting with mine.  I have played around with a lot of sub-sonic loads as well as hot loads, with 125 gr XTP's and Ballistic tips.  Also...O got a really good deal on about 800 .310 softpoints....but....some of the best fun has been most recently, I finally got my mold for 200 gr pointed cast bullets, and this is a match made in heaven.  With the slightly larger bore in the SKS, I can load it all the way down to 3.0 grs of Red Dot.  It is quieter than a 22rf, but will go through three 4x4 fence posts with W/W bullets.
  I think the SKS is highly under-rated as a deer getter....in my opinion it is better than a 30-30 with proper re-loads.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2004, 12:29:03 AM »
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Quote from: Longcruise
The ammo available for the sks rifles seems not to get much respect.  Probably because of the low price.


From my standpoint it's the steel jackets and steel cases (mostly the steel cases).  I don't have an SKS, but that same ammo has given my trouble in one of my .30-06's and my 9mm (gums up the chambers).  I love cheap ammo, but I want the cheapest ammo possible with brass (boxer primed) cases and copper jackets.  Right now Igman is a great deal, and Sellier & Bellot ammo is just superb.  I steer clear of the Russian stuff though.


You don't have an sks?? This is the cheapest fun gun I have ever bought next to my ruger 10/22 its just as cheap to feed too and just scares those empty soda cans into submission and makes'em jump and fly in the air too.  The supply of sks's is starting to run low and now is the time to get one trust me their a hoot to shoot and cheap to feed too.  A co-worker of mine who had his ffl told me when sks's were first imported here I had to have one and he was right because I didn't have a clue what he was talking about until I shot one its a gun you just can't out down.  I take one to the range every trip just to rattle off a few mags full.  Of course when I first recieved it and took it apart I didn't think this crudely made thing could shoot??  The parts were so loose??  Its the most reliable/dependable gun I have ever owned its better and more fun than the energizer bunny.    The sks you have to have at least one!!!!!!!                                                                  BigBill :D

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2004, 05:21:43 AM »
Since we seem to be heading down a new track, I think I will join in.

I will second the comment about a "cheap" SKS being one of those "must have" firearms in every gun safe.  I have two, one stock and one modified.  I know my two sons are going to fight over who gets which one......although if one of them lives in California, that one might not be able to fight too much.  In my fathers age the M1-Carbine was the kick-about rifle everyone had.  For my generation it is the SKS, which is legal to hunt with in many states and has more power than the M1-Carbine.

I would also indicate that I think that there are lots of Russian and eastern block ammo production factories that after the collapse of communism have figured out that they need to make a quality product that can compete in the market place.  After all, they are not supplying ammo to revolutions all over the world like they use to or being used by the Soviet government as an instrument of foreign policy.  In the non-comunist era, it is sell or starve at these factories

The US civilian market is perhaps the largest non-government ammo market in the world, and the smart eastern block companies are trying to figure out how to get market share, brand recognition, and hard US dollars.  As such they are making great strides to improve their products and try to figure out price versus quality issues.  

Wolf got into this early and is trying to improve their image and quality.  If you look at the artwork on a Barnaul box of ammo, with the guy in the cowboy hat shooting a scoped, bolt action rifle you wonder what that has to do with the Russian ammo they are selling.....it is what they think the ammo purchaser would like to view himself as looking like.  Shades of  "Marlboro Man."  Right now they are competing mainly on price, but they are having to differentiate themselves from mil-surp ammo which is cheaper and that will push for quality difference in packaging, bullets, corrosiveness, etc.  Soon they will discover that many Americans like real brass shells and boxer primers, even if they have to pay $2 more a box of ammo.

I try to avoid the green lacquer coated steel shells as I have had problems with them in the past.  I find that Wolf brand has copper washed steel shells that seem to feel just fine in my SKS.  I even see the quality of some of the bullets as getting better.  At first most of the bullets were FMJ.  Then to make them "hunting rounds" to allow for easier import they had little holes drilled, punched, or cast in spitzer tips of the ammo.  I would never have used any of those as a hunting round.  Now I actually think that a few of the "new hunting bullets" might actually mushroom inside an animal if used for hunting.  Quality is coming up and so is the price, but the price is still low by US mfg standards.

Sorry for the thread drift.

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2004, 07:17:03 AM »
Becareful which sks goes to the Republic of Kalifornia the 59/66 Yugo with the grenade launcher is banned there.  This is why Century had modified the yugo 59/66 to be Kalifornia legal.                 BigBill

I don't understand why either we can't just any military surplus store and buy sks live grenades??

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2004, 11:24:00 AM »
I used to reload for it 10 or more years ago when all that was available (at least in my area) was the chinese rounds. You can really improve accuracy with reloads compared to the chinese stuff. I have thought about trying cast bullet loads, but the russian ammo is sooo cheap it just isn't worth it to reload in my oppinion. I don't recall the load but my best groups were using accurate arms 1680 and sierra .308 110 grain hollow point bullets.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2004, 01:57:23 PM »
I can honestly say that I will probably never
reload the 7.62x39. I just can't justify loading something
that is so cheap to buy.  The accuracy of my sks
is acceptable to me as is so I don't think I'll bother.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2004, 08:36:27 PM »
I'll have to weigh in on this one too. The SKS is one of the cheapest fun guns you will ever buy. I have read articles that handloads can be alot more accurate when tailored to the rifle. But for just plain fun and cheap shooting it's hard to beat the cheap stuff. If you don't own one you need to get one. All kinds of after market parts available. The Yugo I have will shoot 4in. groups at 100yds with the cheap stuff which for plinking is good enough for me. If and when the SHTF I have a scoped 30-06 bolt gun for long range and the SKS and 22lr semi-auto's for the close in stuff. :grin:  :grin:
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2004, 06:07:28 AM »
So you guys think I should get an SKS? ;)  

I have seriously thought about it.  Just haven't took the dive yet.  There is a gun show coming up this weekend though.  I think I can afford a $300 budget for this show, so I might come home with an SKS.  Have to see what else they have around there though :).

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2004, 10:15:06 AM »
Having three sks's...an old chinese ,a newer Norenco and another short barreled Norenco that takes standard AK Mags.  get one of the BRAND SPANKING NEW 50 year old YUGOS....a yugo is going to be my next purchase.. I don't think you can get more QUALITY bang for your buck than one of the YUGOS right now. I've talked several friends into getting one and I still don't have one...spending all my money on those dang little NEF rifles.... :)
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2004, 11:17:29 AM »
MGmorden,,, if you plan on getting a SKS, and have $300 to spend..
find a real russian sks.. you wont be sorry.. forget the yugo

I picked this 1953 Russian up for $200.00 and its mint.... shop around
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2004, 11:58:37 AM »
:D   I've seen russian sks refurbs at gun shows lately still NIB selling for $250.                                                                BigBill

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2004, 01:49:11 AM »
I reload for this cartridge, but it is for my Ruger 77 MKII 16.5" bolt action.
I had it before I got my Yugo. I use a max charge of AA1680 and the 30 M1 carbine bullets (FMJ, SP, HP, 110gr) almost exclusively.

This is because the bore is a .308. I have shot surplus through it and don't worry about pressure overload from the wider bullet being swaged down from .311/.310 due to the amount of throating in the chamber area.
That and the action will handle a .308 Winchester which runs in the 50,000 CUP.

The components are cheaper in bulk to buy than .311 or .310. I have played around with the 125gr flat point for a 30/30 to get closer to the surplus bullet weight of 122-125 grs.

Bill, two things to consider about the Lee dies. I use them exclusively and use them for this caliber. My Pacesetter dies come with the Factory Crimp die (a must for semi-auto) and there are TWO decapper/sizing pins.

There is a .311 and a .308 sizer included. Don't do as I have and size the brass to .311 and use a .308 bullet. The crimp die was the only thing holding the bullet in place. I was pushing the bullet in by hand and then crimping them in place. Accuracy at 50 yds wasn't bad, but I cringe thinking about what I lost in time, effort, accuracy, and self-esteem from being such a bone-head in the first place! :oops:

I will probably load a little for the SKS, but it will be limited to the Speer Hot-Cor 125 gr SP in .311. Unless, of course, I find a similar bullet made by Nosler, say a 125 gr Ballistic Tip? :twisted:

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2004, 07:35:08 AM »
I have been shooting my latest sks purchase its a  paratrooper with Chinese norinco ammo its grouping 1 1/2" to 2" groups @ 100yds. thats not too bad for any sks even a short barreled one.   I was thinking about the winter when bordum sets in I may try reloading for it too.  I have one sks scoped to play with my reloads.                         BigBill

And who knows what will happen to imported ammo if "Harry Kerry" gets in office?  We may see ammo shortages all over again like we did years ago so reloading 7.62x39 may not be a choice?

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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2004, 06:55:08 PM »
Hi
I like the Hornady 100gr XTP substituted for a 122gr FMJ for goats and wallabies (small kangaroos).  They do about 2500fps and seldom exit.
Also, 180gr RN .311 Rem bullet goes very well.  Not many people know that the SKS has a 1 in 9 1/2 twist so will stabilise heavy bullets.  They don't travel very fast (eg: 1600fps) but for target shooting at 100m they are great.
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2004, 02:56:31 PM »
While the SKS is gas activated so that helps somewhat, do you have any problem when handloading for such light and heaviy bullets?

If not, what powder do you use?

The reason I asked is that long ago I wanted to load 100 hunting rounds for my son's SKS.  I bought 100 bullets, then I took two powders I already had on my bench (Alliant 2400 and H-4895) to see if I could develope loads that would provide accuracy and reliably cycle the SKS action.

I could not get the Alliant 2400 to reliably cycle the SKS action without going above the published max loading for a 7.62x39 for my chosen bullet weight.  I was able to get the H-4895 to work well, but with a load that boardered on a compressed load.

Again, I would be curious if you have found a powder that is flexible enought to span such a large range of bullet weights.

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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2004, 03:53:18 PM »
Hi
23gr W748 cycles the rifle perfectly due to the long pressure curve it creates.  Judging by the primers and case life the pressures are more than acceptable too.  This is all over a small primer on an R-P case.
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2004, 06:58:48 PM »
I didn't understand.  So does 23 grains of W748 go with the Hornady 100gr XTP or the 180gr RN .311 Rem ?

The reason I originally asked my question was that you were using such a broad range of bullets.   As such, I wondered what powder you used for all of them and if you had an cycling problems with these extreme bullet weights.