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« on: May 31, 2004, 04:23:30 PM »
Are you happy with the .223 Cartridge - or do you find yourself wanting more ?
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Part of the fun is getting in close enough - hunting / taking a few with your hatchet - LOL. I've never shot the .223 Cartridge, but just purchased a new COOPER Varm in .223 ..... weather conditions and busy .. have not been able to get it over to the Range for break-in.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2004, 05:02:23 PM »
I find that the 223 is perfect for my uses. I've got three of them; a T/C Contender Carbine, Remington Model 7 and a Colt AR-15 Match HBAR.  I guess that this makes the 223 a keeper for me. MI VHNTR
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2004, 10:12:12 PM »
Hi i am a 22 250 man BUT i got me a Rem 700 223 back in Feb. for fox and coyote hunting cant wait until season opens to try it out VM

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 02:06:18 AM »
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/223.html

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 07:17:06 AM »
CKNIGHT98:  Thanks for the quick reply - I hope to hear from several shooters.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 08:00:44 AM »
I never have gone below a 243win other than 22lr's, does everything the 223 can do and better, can maintain larger bullets, better in the wind, and more poop;) I think the 243win is one of the most versatile carts ever made, not saying the 223 don't have its place, I just like the idea to have one cart that can handle many different game animals with the same gun. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2004, 09:30:15 AM »
I've never been a big fan of the 223. Always thought if you couldn't do it with a 222 get a 22-250.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 01:21:40 PM »
bobg & Rmouleart:  That's the catagory of wanting more - longer distance on varm ........ and other reasons. Most of us love shooting any cartridge - love shooting - I'll know first hand about the .223 in just a few days / I already know first hand about the .243.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2004, 03:48:25 PM »
RipOne, I'm in the north central UP near Marquette.  :D MI VHNTR
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2004, 04:16:53 PM »
I have a .223 NEF Handi and I just love it !! I use it mostly for hunting coyotes here in SE Wisconsin. It is perfect for this use. My shots are mostly 100yds or under. At that range, I can put them in a nickel !!          I believe that it IS the BEST cartridge for coyotes in this type of terrain and distances. My gun was inexpensive AND .223 ammo is cheap...although I do handload. My .223 NEF is a real shooter !!...... :D

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 05:17:43 PM »
MI VHNTR:  Hello Up-North ....... your in some territory there / you been shooting Porcupines - LOL. Do you have a good number of coyotes up there now days ?

.223 Shooter: I have a NEF Handy in 22 Mag with a nice scope - may get one in a 7mm-08 with a Bull Barrel.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2004, 04:11:33 AM »
Ripone I'm a hunter, my guns are my tools, I do love shooting them at the range, but for practice for my hunting in the field. there are many carts for varmint and big game hunting, I try to limit the amount of rifles buy using curtain carts for curtain game animals to be hunted, My 22lr's are for small varmint close range around the house, my 243 is for medium to large game coyotes up to whitetail deer/prong horn medium to long range, then my jump is to 30cals, 300 Savage/308win/ 3006 for deer/hog/caribou/elk medium to long ranges, my larger carts like my 338winmag/Marlin 450 guidegun/454 casull/44mag for medium to large game.Heavy hitting carts., I use these for Bear/Moose etc...I was never impressed with the 223 cart, just my thoughts, too light of a bullet for where I hunt,if I was to use one, wind is big factor shooting long distances, and the 223 does not do well with any wind, this is why I went with the 243win, if not that I would go with the 22-250 due to its performance and still better than the 223 in the wind. Im talking that catagory of carts, where I'm from there is many windy days in the field. So I need a cart that can harness a good size bullet and maintain in the wind, I found that 100gr bt Hornady interlock fits the bill, affordable and well Field tested. One day at the range at 150yards I shot clover leaf and the wind was gusting at least 20 miles hour across the range, this impressed me greatly, I have tried shooting the 223 on windy days and found little accuracy using various bullets, this was a friends 223, I was reloading for him at the time, he ended up getting rid of it for a 243win;)So if the wind is not a problem where you are the 223 will work fine on yotes, just my thoughts, If the cart fits the job at hand, use it, if it works well, stay with it. Different strokes for different folks. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2004, 04:54:11 AM »
For calling coyotes I use a 223.  It's cheap to shoot and pelt friendly compared to a 22-250 or a 243.  I rarely take a shot over 100 yards and do most of my hunting at dawn so wind is rarely a concern.  I've used a few "carts" from 22 mag to 270 and the 223 is my choice for calling.  For "sniping" coyotes at long ranges, as my friends call it, like watching over a sheep pasture, travel routes, farm kill, etc, I'll pull out the 270 and use 100 grain psp's with a muzzle velocity of aprox 3300fps.  The psp's aren't very destructive, .270 hole in, about the same size exitting if any exit.  And very flat, bucks the wind, etc.

I'll use the .270 maybe once or twice a year, I'll use the 223 maybe 100 times or more a year (hunt on average more than 2 days a week).

Edit: also the plus of a 223 over the bigger 22-250, 243, etc, is that with a light weight calling rifle I can still watch the bullet impact on the target, whether it be paper, varmint, or coyote.  It's not a requirement for a coyote rifle, but it's a nice plus for the 223.

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2004, 11:24:46 AM »
SCRUFFY & RMOULEART:  There's a lot in the details - and there's no wrong as long as your using enough gun for the situation and aim it well.

I've owned and used almost all of the heavy hitters - just have never squeesed off a  222, 223 or 22-250 ....... had a 220 Swift at the age of 18.
Theirs no wind in my Ghillie Suit - close enough to smell'um ( I think it's them - LOL ). I think I will enjoy this .223 ................. things get testy, wind and distance, then out comes the 7mm-08 or 270 or 25-06 or ..... the list is long and ya gotta love them all. I'm older now and enjoy hearing your thoughts ...... on a windy day, get close, you'll be shooting into the wind ( Smell again ) - LOL.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2004, 04:17:28 PM »
RipOne
Nice looking rig, I think you will enjoy it to the max. You must take some of these posts with a grain of salt. There are a few that can't say any thing good about any thing you might post. In spite of some of the posts the 223 is a neat little round and will do what it was designed to do. I think i speak from experience as i have been at this since 1948 and have loaded for just about every round that is popular in the good old USA as well as some from other countrys. And every one of them were great for what they were made for. You will have a lot of good fun with your rig.
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2004, 04:22:03 PM »
Well for me the .223 choice came easy... that's what my rifle came chambered for.  It's a Bushmaster varmint special, and it's guaranteed to put a grin on your face every time.  With Win 45gr. HP's it's good night Mr. Coyote !!!
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2004, 04:28:19 PM »
RipOne, it seems that everyone UP here shoots every porcupine that they see. LOL! We've got them pretty well thinned out in the camp area for now, but we still look for them. The coyote population is quite healthy here. I hunt some areas that you can sit and listen to 3-4 packs howl right near dark as they assemble for the nights hunt. The wolves are starting to change things, since they don't play well with the coyotes.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2004, 06:12:28 PM »
oso45-70, MI VHNTR, LuD and all:  I'm getting to be Grandfather + myself, but that's ok I think - well ........... eat spinach. When I post, I'm looking for different viewes, tall tales and the works .... I understand our nature, and there's good in everyone - some you have to catch on the right day to see their best side ............... roll with things - we only have so many days here. I used to leave the porcupines alone, that was until I experienced what they can do to a cabin ... but mostly what they did to my German Shorthaired Pointer ............... I had to carry him 2 miles and rush to the nearest vet. Good luck with the Coyotes .... I'm sure I will be able to start breaking that new 223 in mid morn Friday - after taking out the G-Bags ...... work-work-work.
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2004, 07:40:38 AM »
.223 Report > Took it to the range this morning - went slow with braking in, lots of shooting and cleaning - 60 rounds total before I packed things up. It was great .................. grrrrrrrrrate. No excess recoil, muzzle blast or flash ( Didn't throw flames ) ........... a lot of that was going on around me though - kept my muff's on. The .223 is smooth, fun and will rocket out there just fine for me .. will be used a lot now ( I have 500 rounds setting here - can't let it get old - LOL ). It took me a few targets to match their 42 yard Test Target - here's my best of the morning at 50 yards ( Of course I'm going to show you the best one - 3 SHOTS ). THAT DANG WIND !!! >


 
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2004, 08:22:53 AM »
VERY NICE shooting from a VERY NICE gun......I shoot a .223 NEF Handi rifle. With my handloads, the best I have been able to shoot is .250/5 shots...at 60yds..in my backyard range. I am very much pleased with that. Just great for coyotes....besides...IT FUN...... :lol:

By the way RipOne...what loads are you shooting..?? I am using 26.5/W748/CCIBR/LC brass/55gr Horn SP's

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2004, 12:21:43 PM »
.223 SHOOTER:  Today I shot 55 SP - Next time out it will be 55 BTIP .. I have 250 rounds each of those, Bulk from Cabela's by ULTRAMAX, Rapid City, SD ( Cabela's Dundee close to me here ). $65 for 250 SP & $99 for 250 BTIP. I'm shooting 55 for a little more energy - that's as high a I can go with 1-14 twist and be stable .... and that dang wind - LOL ... windy, I'll belly crawl until I lose some belly. I have a Handi in .22 Mag .... I like the little shooter, the scope I have on it makes it special .... I have the big guns as well ...... we all like to feel the ground shake once in a while.

I can buy 55 FMJ at Cabela's 250 for $55 ........ get a free ammo box with each 250 ..... $13 value and useful.

I haven't been loading for the last few years - disposed of some old powder today. Gearing up to load 7mm-08 ( Encore 22 " Heavy Barrel ).


Fun for sure ........ next trip to the range and I'll shoot long - SOON.
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2004, 04:07:50 PM »
I can't imagine a better all-around varmint cartridge than 223. If I need more a$$ than its full-throttle load delivers, I move up to 308/06, or so.

Most of the non-game stuff I shoot is relatively small and doesn't require a lot of horsepower to kill. Truth is, I expend more rounds on gophers (ground squirrels) than anything else and for that I load DOWN. Coyotes, fox, skunks,  are all handled capably by .223. Besides, I can use all that worn brass from my match rifles a couple more times this way.

If anyone wants to know, I load the 35gr V-Max over 11gr of Blue Dot with a small pistol primer. It's quiet, cheap and scatters gopher bits all over. Trajectory is almost exactly the same as the 17 HMR, but with twice as much bullet (at the same cost!).

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2004, 03:57:48 AM »
REDIAL:  SKUNK(S) !!!!!!!!! more than one ? - Stand Back, Prase The Lord and Pass The ammunition. There are some funny stories .......
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2004, 04:28:17 PM »
Uh, yup. Skunks.

Certain times of the year, you do everything you can to keep 'em away since the amorous ones have a tendency to spray everything in sight trying to woo the ones with the long eyelashes. Skunk love is Steenky! Besides, skunks carry bad stuff like rabies. Of course, my kid wants a skunk hat! Somebody want to skin this thing for me?  :D

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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2004, 01:22:54 AM »
You shoot it, I'll skin it, :shock:  but you have to eat it. :-D
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2004, 01:39:31 AM »
I've been sprayed, my son has been sprayed, my gun dogs - but one night while home alone ( Wife not here to protect me - LOL ) and setting at this Computer that set into a concave area next to, facing large window area, two feet from actual curved window ...................... Old Pew backed his but up to outside of the window and blasted ... that's when I realized that there were signficant air leaks in the old foundation right there - he got me good  :)
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2004, 06:56:28 AM »
RipOne,
Thats got to be the best one ever,,,, NO RESPECT for the home owner.
I laughed my butt off on that one. As a retired trapper i can unrerstand how you must have felt. I've been had!!!!! Have a good day Sir

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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2004, 01:00:28 PM »
oso 45-70:  That's exactly how I felt .... HAD !  That skunk came to the lighted window, backed his arss around, aimed at the cracks in the foundation and fired full-automatic until the clip went empty .... he was an old experienced Hunter - had to be - LOL.

That's when I went out and purchased a puppy - TEDDY-TED ( Dancing Bear ) - first to go were all the night ( And Day ) visiting cats that were taking the birds out of my pine trees - Grrrrrrrrr - I seen one cat almost leave his skin behind ... went so fast he actually left hair behind - Ted ambushed him as he snuck close to the pine tree Ted was laying under - I just happened to be looking at that moment. Ted runs a long brushy wooded area that goes along the West side of the house - everything comes running out of there when Ted goes in ( Great Pyrenees ).


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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2004, 08:32:49 PM »
:cb2: The best shootin' rifle I have is a Savage 10 FP in .223. Been shootin' prairie dogs with it for years, and I know ballistically the .22-250 is supposed to be superior, but in real life shootin' the .223 can do anything a .22-250 can. I know some .22-250 folks are gonna be mad at me, but at real life ranges, unless you mount the Hubble telescope on top of your .22-250, if you can see it to shoot at it, you can hit it with either rifle. Paper data and real shootin' are two different things.

Ammo is much, much, much cheaper unless you reload (I don't), your barrel will last longer (not that I'm worried about that), no recoil, and as long as our military uses .223, there will always be plenty of ammo out there.

Almost all .223s now have a 1:9 twist, and in mine I have found that a 68-gr BTHP is the most accurate. 5/16" group at 100 yards is my best. (Sure wish I could do that all the time, but that ain't the rifle's or the ammo's fault!)

I can see you already love it. Keep shootin' and have fun!

PS- I never saw the need for one "do-all" rifle. Heck, life's too short for just one gun! Ya need to spread the fun around! The only thing ya need one of is a good wife! Once ya find one of those--don't press your luck. Grab that one and keep her! They're harder to find than a good gun! :)
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2004, 05:32:18 AM »
Griz,
You said a mouth full, Its a lot easier to find a good gun than it is to find a good lady. Hang in there.
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