Author Topic: lures & baits (Read 1555 times)

trace · « **on:** June 08, 2004, 10:46:59 AM »

hey i was wondering if i could get your favorite recipes for lures & baits.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2004, 03:29:56 AM »

Trace there's a couple guys on here that know about lures and baits: Problem is they are all over on the cougar thread pokin at me.

You just hang on a bit and they'll get bored and help you out. :eek:

trace · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2004, 04:08:44 AM »

k thanks

RdFx · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2004, 02:37:20 PM »

What animals are you looking to trap... This would help us narrow it down some. :-)

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2004, 04:19:29 PM »

Well RDFx since the young man is from south central NM he's probably gonna focus on water critters :eek: ...NOT :shock: ...dang stop your stallin and cut loose with some of your secrets :oops:

Keep the faith Trace some of these old folks need a bit of a nudge.

trace · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2004, 04:37:01 PM »

well i was plannin on catchin some coyotes,bobcats,and mabe some foxes. but wacky's right no water around here except for a couple springs.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2004, 06:07:55 PM »

So Trace, tell us what sort of raw materials do you have available...prarie poodles, horses, burros, mice, fish (no Asa there ain't no armydildos in NM)? To make bait you will need some sorta base material to start.

trace · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2004, 06:15:10 PM »

well i got rabbits, gophers, mice well thats about it i might be able to get some carp or trout.

jim-NE · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2004, 12:15:26 AM »

and he wants to avoid cougers, too.
any couger sightings in your area?

trace · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2004, 04:22:49 AM »

not latley

oso45-70 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2004, 02:36:38 PM »

Wacky,
We have lions here in town, The deer are going fast gonna have to start on the natives. A freind walked up on one looking for his bull down by the creek............Joe.....................

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2004, 04:35:11 PM »

30 30's :wink:

RdFx · « **Reply #12 on:** June 11, 2004, 02:06:09 AM »

30-30s make too much noise besides certain people that get firearms in thier possession make them shoot at crazy trajectories! :shock: Ive heard that a BRIDGER NBR 3 with j hooks WELDED work REAL FINE!!! :twisted: !!!

trace · « **Reply #13 on:** June 11, 2004, 11:01:47 AM »

ok how bout them recipies, thanks

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2004, 05:12:54 AM »

Well Trace, I was hoppin that one of the master bait makers would help ya a bit...guess they're too busy tryin to get Boggy rouled up :? I'll try to get you started...remember this others have a bunch more experience at this.

You will be needing a base of some sort. Many start with tainted meat. This goes for bait or lures. If you just lightly taint the meat and stop there you will have bait. If you add varies musks, castors, kickers etc you will make a lure. Aging is up to you and will require you to make grub stakes and test circles to evaluate your product.

I guess since gophers are biger they'd be better / easier to work with than mice. Get yourself a bucket full and keep the flys from blowing them...this is going to be much more difficult in warm weather but it is important. Knock the guts out of the gophers (if you can find the Gall BLadders without much problems you might same these (freeze) for lateer use in specific lures. Some how you need to chop the gophers into small chunks or grind them with a meat grinder that your mom etc doesn't use for food (the gophers won't ruin the grinder but you can bet that your mom will ruin your day if she catches you).

Put your choppings / grindings in a container with a tight fitting lid. From this lid you need to attach a tubeone end through the lild but not in the meat the other end in a container of water. This is a vent / trap the fermentation gases can escape and the flies can't get in. I'd do thiss away from people and in as cool a place as you can find...this time of year in your country things will go fast...fast isn't good for control. In a week or so the meat will be tainted you will be able to smell the trimethly amines.

When you get a taint that you like add sodium benzoate to stop the microbial growth and preserve the concotion. Now is a good time to add things try beaver castor and / tonquin and / or muskart musk-glands and / or asafoedia. How much you ask? which combination is best you ask? Them are well gaurded secrets! Mel Hershberger published some and I can get them for you once you are getting close to needing them.

You can also get a mess of carp, gut them, grind them and sun dry them (don't let the flies get on the meat). Ole RdFx claims that a spoon full of this down a hole is good bait. I'd even try blending the dried fish with some lightly tainted gopher plus some castor.

If you make 3/5's of a 5 gal bucket to start, you can then take a gallon out maybe three times at different stages of taint...just after you start getting the smell...two weeks or so later...and at the end of summer. The last will probably only be good for lures...I think.

Now you can split each gal into quarts and try four combinations of musks etc. Start off with small amount of musks test them ...add more of one or the other test them and see what works. Hershbergers formulas worked for him and should be a good starting place.

Hope this gets you started

One last thing, asking a lure maker for his formula is like asking him for the combonation to his safe.

trace · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:41:42 AM »

ok thanks lots.

trappenjoe · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2004, 08:16:05 AM »

HELLO TRACE SORRY YOU DIDN'T GET TO COME TO MOUNTAINAIR
I'M NOT GOT AT THE BAIT PART , IT TAKES ALOT OF YEARS TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT .. I LIKE BOBCAT MEAT OR RABIT TAINTED LIKE WACKY
SAID , I JUST CUT MINE UP BITE SIZED . I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE SUROUNDINGS , IF YOU HAVE ALOT OF RATTLE SNAKES , RABBITS,SO ON THATS WHAT I USE . MAKE SHURE TO USE THE BUTT GLANDS IN YOUR CONTRAPTION . AND DON'T LET IT SPOIL, JUST A LIGHT TAINT.
I 'M BY NO MEANS A PRO AT THIS ,MAYBE YOU CAN GET ONE OF THE LURE MAKERS TO HELP OUT LIL JOE

trace · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2004, 08:39:49 AM »

thanks. and im sorry i didnt have time to come to. how do u like texas?

also where do u get things like sodium benzoate from? thanks

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2004, 09:23:12 AM »

http://www.mandmfurs.com/Index%20Page/index.html

http://montgomeryfur.com/

Trace here is a link to two sources of lure ingredients. Their catalogues give general uses.

Many say that castor will improve most any bait the same is said of tonguin musk. Added fish should jump start the Bobs.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/field/logan.html This is the link to Logan research station ...goverment study site for predator research. If you can open PDF files you can access the results of studies on various attractents and coyote behavior.

As for little Joe and Texas...did you ever see them cartoons where a big ole fish swallows up some stinky thing then its face goes to swellen and what ever it ate goes flyin half way cross the world followed by a big Blahhhhhhh WHOEEYYY...that's the way Texas is takin to Little Joe :-D ...problem is they're likely to spit him the whole way to Californiay...comoe to think of it that'd serve them Liberals right

trace · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2004, 09:31:48 AM »

thanks...lmao

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2004, 11:11:21 AM »

JL Brand Lures
James Lucero
PO Box 127
Tularosa, New Mexico 88352
1-505-585-6314

Traced this is the info for a lure maker inyour neighborhood...maybe he'd take you on as a student....its worth a try

trace · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2004, 01:02:11 PM »

thanks

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #22 on:** June 12, 2004, 02:00:41 PM »

:grin: Wacky writes...
One last thing, asking a lure maker for his formula is like asking him for the combonation to his safe.

Now now Wacky, didn't I give you the secret formula of ground Dodo birds eye teeth? :lol: Ace

jim-NE · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2004, 04:59:32 PM »

I think Wacky spilled some of his secret on the seat of his truck, too.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2004, 04:40:33 PM »

Least I'm a tryin ta help the youngster...i done learned him everything I know and he still don't know nothin...youins could try and hep out abit more.

Asa, a list of one ingredient is a fer cry from a secret specially when you don't tell how much, ner what form ner wheres a fellow can get some

Jim hows bout you comin down here and ridin along this fall :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

jim-NE · « **Reply #25 on:** June 14, 2004, 12:36:59 AM »

It would be an honor to tag along with you this fall, Wacky. And the least I could do in return is to offer to drive.
Jim-NE

RdFx · « **Reply #26 on:** June 14, 2004, 01:06:57 AM »

Jim make sure you drive up wind of Wacky if you go . Also dont fall for the saying: ill open the gates if you drive either :roll: !!!!!

Trace how are you doing on your bait making? Ask questions as you go along and we will help out. Make sure you write down what you do. Happy Stinking :-D

trace · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2004, 05:32:37 AM »

im still workin on catching some gophers or somthin as soon as i need them for somthing they always dissapear.. and do any of u know a good bait for carp i have never fished for the things so i have no clue what to use. thanks, trace

Mallard · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2004, 06:17:59 AM »

Trace, we're limited here in Michigan to the use of furbearers only for bait. Beaver meat with a couple day taint works well, and muskrat works well also. Muskrat meat with a bit of ground castor seemed to be better than rat alone, and beaver meat with a bit of mink gland on it worked better than the meat alone. If you can get your hands on a road killed ferral cat, grab it and put it to use. I understand this bait really pulls them in, but wouldn't know first hand. Gophers will work as well, as I've used them without knowing they were'nt on the list of "furbearers". I simply froze them hole and pulled them out when ready to hit the line. I dap a bit of lure on their nose and drop them into a dirt hole. Worked ok, but nothing like the rat and beaver. The bottom line is I use very little bait and lean heavily towards lure at 90% of my sets. Powder river paste bait seemed to preform the best as far as commercial bait goes. As far as lure I basically use Lenon's, Forget's, and Carmens almost exclusively with a couple from Minnesota trap line products as well. They are all fine lures, and its my opinion that having several proven scents on the line can only help.

As far as carp go, I fish them in a river system using shredded wheat balled tightly around a #8 treble hook. Take the un-sweetened shreded wheat and wet it by dunking it in the water and leting it drain out well. Form the ball around the hook and you should be good to go. Lead size will be dependent on the current, and you need to run a slip weight up about 18" from the hook. I use an egg sinker so that when the carp hits he can free spool it without feeling the sinker. If they are finiky, you can add a couple drops of cod liver oil to the ball and this will really pull them in. The water I fish is only 3-5' deep, so I can see the ball of wheat sitting on bottom and like watching the big carp come up and vaccuum the ball into their mouth. Its amazing that sometimes they do this with very little movement on the rod tip. When you can see the hit, i think you're at an extreme advantage, but if you can't you'll still connect with as many as you need so long as you have a good population. I've also seen a couple fellows using 3-5 kernells of corn on a hook, and doing prety well.

Good luck~

trace · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2004, 08:18:55 AM »

thanks for the info.