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« on: June 10, 2004, 04:26:19 PM »
Shot the 357 max with some .358 225gr Sierra spire point, over 20 gr wc 680 (surplus powder)
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2004, 04:29:21 PM »
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I posted similar on your 30-30 post.  I wonder how that bullet would perform on game?  Isn't it made for the 358 Norma mag?
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2004, 04:35:19 PM »
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I posted similar on your 30-30 post.  I wonder how that bullet would perform on game?  Isn't it made for the 358 Norma mag?


 I've been told that bullet works with the .358 Winchester mag, 35whelen, and another I can't recall.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2004, 06:12:04 PM »
Any idea what kind of velocity those produced?? Before I had to move all my stuff south to Texas I had bought some pointed and some round nose 358 jacketed bullets to try in the max. but I'm still not set up to do any loading yet. :(   I can't remember if any were that heavy either...
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2004, 06:39:03 PM »
Like Handirilfe, I posted on your 30-30 thread, this is an example of a too hard bullet. I shot some Remington CoreLoct 200 Spire Points into wet newsprint last year, and got a bullet that flattened itself on my steel backstop after passing unexpanded through some 16" of wet newsprint. They did perform admirably on some beaver I shot for my neighbor, though none showed any sign of expansion. That bullet is designed for the 35 Whelen, and I wonder just how much expansion one would see on the light weight deer of this region even when driven as fast as 2700 fps. I think that bullet was designed to be used on stuff like elk and moose. An interesting side note is that firing the Remington 200 grain CoreLoct RN into wet newsprint, (the bullet made famous in the 35 Remington) I only got expansion to about 1/2", and I was never able to get a velocity greater than 1850 fps from either of these bullets.

The Hornady XTP 180 is a bonded core bullet that performed perfectly in both newsprint and on a deer, even when driven to the upper limits of its velocity performance window. Interestingly, in newsprint the Remington 180 SJHP (made for the 357 Maximum) peformed exactly as the 180 XTP in newsprint. I doubt there is a proper made spire point that will give good performance on deer and such in the 357 Maximum. It is possible though that a Hawk custom bullet with a jacket thickness of .025" could work well.  I don't see how it could outperform the 180 XTP or the Remington 180 SJHP

I do understand your efforts at nice groups Vance, and am not commenting on your choice of bullets, just commenting on the topic of bullet performance and what I have seen so far.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2004, 08:05:31 PM »
JPH,

The 200 gr Hornady spire point in a .35 Whelan comes apart on very small deer.  My son shot one with that bullet with 53.0 gr IMR 3031 behind it and he said it destroyed the front portion of the deer and part of the back strap.

Maybe that's why I like these 250's.

The outside is home cast 158 gr LSWC .38 Special, then 250 gr Beartooth .357 Mag, 250 gr Beartooth .360 DW and the center is the 180 gr XTP/HP in .360 DW.

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2004, 03:56:12 AM »
I loaded the Spire points mostly because I was intrigued by the pointed bullet with it's heavy weight in the Max case.
 The Bullets I have loaded for whitetails is 180 xtp 18.5 gr w296. I don't think I can do better than that.
 That 225gr spire point might do well on squirrel. :eek:

  I shot several 180 GC FN cast that dj put together (you'd need to get the recipe from DJ) with good results at 50 yards. The first 2 shots were under a half inch, and the 5 that followed were around an inch. Those were shot in a freshly polished bore. I left the target on dj's range which is the reason I didn't post that picture.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2004, 10:39:24 AM »
And all this time I thought it was the 30-06 that was good for all game from moose on down to squirrel :-)
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2004, 10:54:15 AM »
squirrel Blastin!...Oh No here we go!  :-D
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2004, 11:44:12 AM »
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They might turn out to be a VERY good paper killing bullet.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2004, 03:20:24 PM »
speer or seaira makes a special pointed  singlle shot 357 bullet  tried it on 1 deer .           .went back to 158 xtp  better expansion from xtp.