NEWS ON THE 17 MACH II

[BIGBOREFAN]

I was reading a article last night in American Rifleman. It said Ruger has already committed to chambering the standard model, Marlin has committed to chambering their model 60, and Browning will chamber their Buck Mark also. I'm letting everyone know now that I'm first inline for the Model 60. The article stated they were getting 1'' to 1 1/2 '' groups at 100 yards. They also said it should be pretty effective to 150 yards. Will see.


BBF

[VarmintController]

ok guys i know that the new 17 is going to be a mini 17hmr. i think a 22lr necked down it looks like. but with the great 17 they have now, why make a smaller one?? the 17 hornady i have is good enough for woodchucks at 150 yrds, and it has killed a mid sized coyote at about 100, so why are they changing?? i guess i just dont see the point.  can anyone explain the point behind this?

[BIGBOREFAN]

OK here is the scoop. They said the 17 Mach II will shot 2100 FPS, shoot faster, flatter, less wind drift, less chance of a"" richochett"" than the 22 long rifle. Also it will put out 75% less lead in the air and will not lead barrels like a 22 long rifle. It will cost about 12 cents a pop verses 18 cents for the 17 HMR and 8 cents for 22 LR. Fot the average plinker and 100 yard small varminter it sounds like it makes good sense. Plus, it is supposed to be queiter than both the 17 HMR and 22 LR. I think the big benifit is it will plan smoke the 22 LR plus it will still fit in all 22 actions. Less face it a 22 LR length action is cheaper to build than a 22 Mag length action. Just my 2 cents.

By the way they are using the CCI High Velocity case which is a little longer than the standard 22 LR. My understanding from the article is CCI supplies the cases, Hornady supplies the bullet, and I can not remember the powder company, but CCI will be loading the shells for Hornady.

BBF

[scruffy]

Plus the 17hmr is a little too distructive on rabbits and squirrels.  A slower 17 with a heavier jacketed bullet would be a little more meat friendly.

And loading the 17hmr with a heavier jacketed heavier bullet at lower velocities is too easy, and it wouldn't sell more rifle (having to own both 17 mach II and 17 hmr) and more ammo, more mags, etc.  Two calibers just makes twice the stuff to sell.

Since there's a centerfire 17 (17 rem), 20 (204 ruger), and 22 centerfire, how long until horiniday, ruger, winchester, or someone else introductes the 20 rimfire.  Flatter then the 22, more punch than the 17, the reasons that the 204 ruger are being made could make a case for a 20 cal rimfire.

Not that I'm pushing for a 20 rimfire or would buy one, I'm just wondering out loud.  I still haven't bought a 17 yet, just 22lr's and a 22 mag in my safe.

later,
scruffy

[Tcallbuilder]

As a small game cartridge the machII sounds really good
more accurate than the .22lr and less destructive than the .17hmr.

if h&r would chamber the round in a regular conture barrel....then...my sportster will go back for the fit.
but my best guess is that they will use the .17cal barrel blanks they are using for the hmr and chamber them for the machII......making bull barrels only.

I really hope im wrong though....i would like to have a machII regular barrel.

TCB

[MSP Ret]

Tcall, That sounds like a winner, I hope they offer it in the regular barrel also. If so I would order one to go with my .22Mag and .17 HMR....<><.... :grin:

[VarmintController]

i might be up to give one a try IF it was a normal barrel. but all in all i will stick with a 17hmr.  i dont have a thing bad to say about it, and i love the way it shoots, and how well it works on smaller game. matter a fact, i was thinking................. i wonder how 17 hornady MAG would shoot in a semi?? i tried a marlin bolt and it was a shooter, but not as good as my NEF, or it could have been the fact the scope was not the best out there. but6 either way if i could find a semi that would hold a nice tight group like this sportster does, i would be hooked for sure.

[MSP Ret]

Remember guys, the Hornady .17 HMR with a 20 grain bullet is almost ready to arrive at your local dealer!!! I really want to give those a try on paper and coyotes....<><.... :grin:

[bgjohn]

Plus the 17hmr is a little too distructive on rabbits and squirrels.  A slower 17 with a heavier jacketed bullet would be a little more meat friendly.

And loading the 17hmr with a heavier jacketed heavier bullet at lower velocities is too easy, and it wouldn't sell more rifle (having to own both 17 mach II and 17 hmr) and more ammo, more mags, etc.  Two calibers just makes twice the stuff to sell.

Since there's a centerfire 17 (17 rem), 20 (204 ruger), and 22 centerfire, how long until horiniday, ruger, winchester, or someone else introductes the 20 rimfire.  Flatter then the 22, more punch than the 17, the reasons that the 204 ruger are being made could make a case for a 20 cal rimfire.

Not that I'm pushing for a 20 rimfire or would buy one, I'm just wondering out loud.  I still haven't bought a 17 yet, just 22lr's and a 22 mag in my safe.

later,
scruffy

Remington already did that a few years back (5mm rimfire). Maybe they'll re-introduce it.
  JM

[VarmintController]

MSP<----- i already had my dealer per order some for me, the little 17gr already dumped a mid sized yote at about 100 yrds with a lung shot, but i bet the new ones will work even better. i just hope they group like these 17gr bullets do. this is the tightest grouping little rifle i have EVER owned. on the bench, and me having a good day, i get quarter sized groups at 150yrds, and i wont give up the tac drivin' litlle 17gr if the other dont group as well. but this thing makes a big old hole in whistlepigs, and crows about explode when hit. i cant wait until bobcat, and fox season this year. i would love to have this gun is a standard barrel, but the bull will just have to work. even better, how about a superlite barrel in 17hmr???

[MSP Ret]

VC, we both would like to see the .17 in a standard barrel but as far as the superlight barrel it does not seem to work out in the .223 so I wonder if it would work in the .17?. I do not know of anyone who has been able to get great accuracy out of a superlight barrel, in fact the .223 accuracy out of the SL barrels has never been spoken of as good, only as unattainable on this forum. I as you think the accuracy of the .17 is it's great selling point. Just think, if you could not hold a 4" group at 100 yards with it would anyone buy it? But if you could (as most can) shoot 1" and under at 100 yards it would be, and is, a winner. I know the .17 is smaller in diameter than the .223 and I also want a regular barrel.
Guess what, thinking more about it, I have now talked myself into wanting NEF to produce a few superlight barrels to try one. What the heck, for about $63.00 for a barrel it's worth the experiment. If it did not shoot at 20" I would cut it to 18" then to 17" then to 16" (plus a hair) to see if the shorter length might stiffen up the thin barrel. What a light varmit gun! I can see it now with a synthetic, perhaps survivor stock. Throw it right in my pack or kayak. HEY!!! maybe make it on a Versa-Pak frame and bring along a .410 barrel!!! Darn it now I'm thinking again and that always hurts...I wonder if the .17 HMR (or new .17 Mach2)  barrel would fit and work on the Versa-Pak frame?.....Got to go , this thinking has made me "antsy", I think I'll go to the dump, cut the grass and then go to the range, for some reason I feel like shooting my .17!!!!....<><.... :grin:

[madmikeray]

seen these shells at benton shooters for $1 more a box in the hornady.$11.10 a box.

[MSP Ret]

I got a call a few days ago that the 20 gr .17 HMR's I ordered at Kittey Trading Post are in. The only problem is that jerk john "f-ing kerry is in Boston for the Demo get together and they have closed down Rt 93, the main highway through (under actually) Boston so it's a much longer and troublesome trip to get up north...so goes my ammo....I hope and pray he does not get elected because then my country will go bad also....<><....

[Moonlitin]

I stumbled accross this at GunBroker.com...interesting...since it's not even listed on the NEF website as an available item yet.

Moonlitin

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=21299897