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what gun would you want if chasing a wounded hog my set up
« on: June 26, 2004, 11:37:42 AM »
here is the scenario,  hope  this never happens  but if  you  shot  a  big  boar and wounded him,  it  was  getting  dark  what  gun would you take? load/and why  here  is  what  i  do  i always  have  my  mossberg model 500 12 guage 24 inch barrel/ with an optronics night blaster 250 mounted on it.  with either slugs  or  buckshot  in  the  truck. my reasoning is several times  i  have had  to get after a  friends pig  after  he  put  a  bad shot on it, going through thick brush it is nearly impossible at night to carry  a  scoped rifle, to be honest  i am much faster at operating this mossberg  than any rifle  i own between rabbits  skeet  dove  and squirrel  i  have shot  this  gun way more.and therefore am able to shoot  it faster.  this  gun  has helped recover several pigs  and a pretty  mad bobcat  my  loads  are 1 oz winchester foster type slugs at 1600 fps   it  will  froup about 1.5 inches  at 25 with manageble recoil  and  i  use federal premium 3 inch 00 buck in it for anything else
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2004, 02:06:13 PM »
Up close, I'd take a shotgun first and either my 45 Ruger or 44 Mag S&W along too.  I actually did chase a good sized javelina that was wounded into South Texas brush when I was 14 years old.  An older guy I was hunting with shot a boar with an arrow and he ran into some thick guajillo.  We both went in to look for him - Frankie with a 22 pistol and me carrying a 12 gauge Remington automatic with high brass 7-1/2's (we were quail hunting).  The javelina was laying splay footed with the arrow thru his ribs.  Frankie opens up with the pistol and all the bullets bounced off the back of his head.  The boar jumps up and spins in mid air, clacking his teeth.  We both fell back in a heap and the pig turned sideways to leave.  I shot him in the left ear about 6 feet away from the end of the muzzle and he dropped dead.  I wouldn't have picked 7-1/2's but at that range, it did not make any difference.

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2004, 03:46:04 PM »
I love  shotguns and  plan  on  doing  more  testing  with  slugs  the  optronics  light  really  lights  up  the  area
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Re: what gun would you want if chasing a wounded hog my set
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2004, 09:05:29 PM »
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here is the scenario,  hope  this never happens  but if  you  shot  a  big  boar and wounded him,  it  was  getting  dark  what  gun would you take? load/and why  here  is  what  i  do  i always  have  my  mossberg model 500 12 guage 24 inch barrel/ with an optronics night blaster 250 mounted on it.  with either slugs  or  buckshot  in  the  truck. my reasoning is several times  i  have had  to get after a  friends pig  after  he  put  a  bad shot on it, going through thick brush it is nearly impossible at night to carry  a  scoped rifle, to be honest  i am much faster at operating this mossberg  than any rifle  i own between rabbits  skeet  dove  and squirrel  i  have shot  this  gun way more.and therefore am able to shoot  it faster.  this  gun  has helped recover several pigs  and a pretty  mad bobcat  my  loads  are 1 oz winchester foster type slugs at 1600 fps   it  will  froup about 1.5 inches  at 25 with manageble recoil  and  i  use federal premium 3 inch 00 buck in it for anything else



Here's my 2 cents worth  :lol:   I use my Marlin 444ss loaded with 240 grainers semi-jacketed hollow points.....devistating on even the largest mud encrusted razorback....my friends call it a spray-gun....it spray paints everything red ...thru the exit hole, ( 1 shot,1 very dead pig)

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2004, 09:20:08 PM »
i also  used  a  similar round 45-70 and  i  never had one  walk  away, but  i  did  shoot  one  square in  the  sholders with  a 375 H&H mag  and   it  ran off  i  was  using 300 gr bullets  it  exited  the  off side shoulder  with  an enomous hole in him, after recoil and everything else  i  could not  get  a  second shot  off  but  my  mossberg is ported  so  very little muzzle flip  i  can  get  a  second  and  third  shot  off  very quickly  even  quicker  than lever action rifles.  how  do you  like  the 444?
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2004, 09:35:40 PM »
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i also  used  a  similar round 45-70 and  i  never had one  walk  away, but  i  did  shoot  one  square in  the  sholders with  a 375 H&H mag  and   it  ran off  i  was  using 300 gr bullets  it  exited  the  off side shoulder  with  an enomous hole in him, after recoil and everything else  i  could not  get  a  second shot  off  but  my  mossberg is ported  so  very little muzzle flip  i  can  get  a  second  and  third  shot  off  very quickly  even  quicker  than lever action rifles.  how  do you  like  the 444?


I have owned my Marlin 444ss for about 18 years i guess...I love it, to me the Marlin is the Rolls Royce of Lever guns, smooth action excellent wood to metal finish and to my big surprise very accurate to 150 meters with open sights, the 444 cal cartridge is a 44mag on steroids (i;m a 44 cal handgun fan) to me recoil is no problem..i shoot my rifle all day everyday, most off my friends however give it back to me after a  few shots..recoil seems a little sharper in the 444 than 45-70, the 45-70 seems to be a gentle push (also a very capable caliber)..i think the 375 H&H is more punishing than the 444 lol, the only thing with 444 reloading is to make sure you have a good crimp ...
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2004, 03:22:26 AM »
Howie, I too am from East Texas, I know what your talking about when you say thick. I keep a S&W 40 on the 4-wheeler an a 45 acp on my hip. I've never had to chase one into the thick stuff but if I did it would be with the 40 S&W with a 15 round mag in an another in my hand. This gun I bought just for being in the thick stuff.

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2004, 05:14:05 AM »
What part of east TX are you from?,   im  in Woodville  honestly  i  carry  shears  with  me  so  i  can  get  through  the  tangle  mesh  of thorns  ive  never  seen  so many  things  that   wouls  stick, poke  and  hurt  you in my life every time  i  come  back  in  i  break  out  the  antibiotics  lol  i  remember  when  i  came  to  woodville  some  locals  said  if you  dont kill  your  deer  the  first  day  chances  are  youll  never  see  another  one,  i  almost  believe  that  theory,  the  deer  huntin g  continues to  get  better  in  thwe  county  i  am  in  and  this  area  is  producing  some  decent  bucks
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2004, 10:53:10 AM »
I'm in Brazoria, have 85 acres not far from the house. Been working on it for close to three years getting it to where I want it. I believe the story about the deer. See a few of them then right after the season started..... nothing.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2004, 11:05:14 AM »
The  guys  on  the  lease  and  i  are seeing  more  deer  since  i  have  been  actively hunting the  hogs  they are still  there  but  i  believe  they now  sooner  or  later  i  will get  to  them  i am very persistant,  these rains are holding me back,  in  between  storms  today  i  took  my 30-30  and  went  shooting  for  a  few  still  shoots  good,  i  shot  from  kneeling position standing up  and  around trees  since  i  never  shoot  more  than  50  yards   i  kept  it  at  that  distance  i  shot  a  total  of 3 boxes of  shells and  all  shots  were inside  a   3 inch birchwood casey shoot n c target  i even  practiced rapid firing  i  now  know  why  i  always  carried  this  rifle  i  shoot  it  fairly  well  the  recoil and  noise  are not  bad
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2004, 11:18:17 AM »
Howie,

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1 oz winchester foster type slugs at 1600 fps it will froup about 1.5 inches at 25 with manageble recoil and i use federal premium 3 inch 00 buck in it for anything


I believe you are asking for trouble using any slug on game that can be dangerous(as a Wild Boar can be) other than a Brenneke slug.  I have seen Foster type slugs do some strange things on deer size game to ever trust them on any dangerous game.  And the use of any buckshot is chancy at best.  Buckshot can/will deflect on thin, frail human bones(seen this happen in to many autopsies in my career as a LEO).  I would never put my trust in them killing/stopping a charging Wild Boar.  In your Mossberg go with a good Brenneke load or go with a .444 or .45-70 Marlin/Winchester lever action and let your insurance agent have some peace of mind.  Lawdog
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2004, 11:37:35 AM »
hey lawdog, are  the  fosters bad chouce to  me  because  it  is  not  a solid bullet?  i recovered one  from a pig  and  it  was completely flat,  i  can  get some brenek slugs  near  my  town  ive  seen  them  and  were curious about  them  the  reason  i  carry  it  is  i  can   work  that  pump  way  faster  than any lever  and  i  needed  something  whose  sights  would not  get  bumped around and all,  thanks  for  the advice  i  am  going  to  go get  a  few boxes of brenneke s  and  see  how  they  shoot,  ive  kind  of  went  back  to  my old  ways  and am  going  to hunt  more  with  my 30-30  i relize  its limitations  and  all  I  loved  my 45-70   but  what  i  really  wanted  was  a  guide gun   which  i  will  have   tax check  time
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2004, 12:25:19 PM »
I carry a Ruger Security Six, 4" barrel with 145 grain Winchester Silvertips.
Ofte it is my primary firearm if it is going to be up close and personal. I have taken several hogs with it up to 30 yds.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2004, 01:12:22 PM »
I used  to  have  a  ruger superblackhawk in 357 mag  i carried it  with  some 158 gr JSP took  a  couple  good  eating  size  pigs  with  it  i  am  going  to  dig  for  some  pics of  me  with  it  and  my pigs,  that  tusker you  shot  had  some  decent tusks,  i  bet  he  tasted good
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2004, 03:41:22 AM »
I have the same shotgun as you, and have taken a couple of hogs with it.  When hunting undisturbed hogs, I go with any number of firearms I own, but not the shotgun. Now when going into the thick stuff here in Tx piney woods after a wounded one, then the shotgun is a good choice for me.  markc
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2004, 06:01:58 AM »
what  ammo do you use in  your shotgun  MarkC?
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2004, 10:29:41 AM »
Lawdog,

How about the Lightfield slugs??? I just bough a Remington 870 SPS 20ga. Fully rifled barrel specifically for the hogs. Haven't had a chance to test it out on the local hog population as it's been raining off and on for the past week and half :(

I figure the 385grain slug @1505fps at the muzzle should work just fine.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2004, 10:54:37 AM »
FOsteology,

I have never tried or know anyone that has tried Lightfield slugs so I have no comment on them.  Foster slugs are a different story.  I have seen them break apart on frail human bones so considering the average animal bone is somewhat heavier there is no way would I trust them on any animal that can bite back(and from the damage I have seen one boar do to 2 hunters I put Wild Hogs in the dangerous game category).  Any Razorback can run much faster than many think and to top it off they can turn on a dime and give you 9 cents change.  Add in 6 inch razor sharp tusks, the tenacity of a Cape Buffalo to finish what they(or you) start and you have a worthy opponent.  Yeah, I put the Wild Hog in the same class as bears.  Lawdog
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2004, 01:05:29 PM »
FOsteology,

I like your avatar.  Does this mean you are a Jeep guy?  I have a 55 CJ3B over in New Braunfels that I went thru and restored.

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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2004, 01:08:33 PM »
I agreee. These critters just don't get enough respect. They have been ranked as dangerous as, if not more than, the grizzly bear and they will hunt you.   :shock:

They can get up to 800 pounds, their favorite food is skunks and rattle snakes, and their entire chest area is a 2-3 inch thick grissel armor plating ( thus their love of and no affect from rattle snake bites). They have tusks up to 6 inches long that they know how to use very well, and have been known to kill a not too smart hunter, eat him, all his clothing, boots, belt, chewing up his rifle and leave only the metal parts of the stock, and his belt buckle.

If wounded, and in tall grass, this critter will stalk around behind the hunter stupid enough to go in on foot after him alone, and hunt the hunter...... of course, not all would be like the one I just described.... but they can certainly be more dangerous than most hunters perceive them to be.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2004, 01:13:23 PM »
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FOsteology,

I like your avatar.  Does this mean you are a Jeep guy?  I have a 55 CJ3B over in New Braunfels that I went thru and restored.


Thanks! I like bears actually :) Alot of modifications can be done on those CJ3B's!

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2004, 03:25:45 PM »
FOs,

I have a lease in Uvalde but we can shoot deer and turkey in the back yard here.  No hogs though...

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2004, 03:38:53 PM »
I'm still looking for a lease :(  I've been trying to find one close to home (Guadalupe or Comal county), but haven't found one yet. May have to broaden my search radius.....wanted one close to home so that I could take my son on a regular basis.

I know a guy near Stockdale who traps hogs on a regular basis, and calls up a friend on mine to "pick them up". Haven't been successful in allowing me to assist with his hog problem though...

I know a place real close that charges $75 a day to hunt all the free-range hogs and varmints you want.

No doubt about deer and turkey in your backyard. Everytime I go to Landa Park I see at least 30 deer :eek:
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2004, 05:40:10 PM »
FOs,

I have a very good friend in Stockdale who says he can get a hog lease in that vicinity.  If you are interested, maybe we can get a group together.  I have a trap in Uvalde that I can haul out and bring back to this neck of the woods.

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2004, 06:01:19 PM »
I would definately be interested in a hog lease in Stockdale. Shoot me an e-mail and we'll get together to discuss further.

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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2004, 10:40:27 PM »
Gentleman,
The topic of what gun would i go after a wounded hog is interesting.
First let me say, I hope i don't have to go in after any game that is wounded.
BUT. if i did i would hope that i had the good sence to take my Marlin 95
GG in 45-70. I'm too old to be racing a big hog through the sticker patch with any thing less, To do so would be foolish. I see the posts about shotguns, DON"T THINK SO, PISTOLS NO SIR. Life is too precious to be doing somthing like that. Good luck..............Joe...........................
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2004, 06:23:22 PM »
I've hunted quite a number of boars in Austria and Australia and i'm glad to say i never had to track one into thick bush when i used my 9.3-64 with 286gr SP-Alaska Bullets from Norma,but when iwas in Australias Northern-Territory as a Guide,ihad to go after them pretty much every other day when excited clients didn't hold their shots,when they should have and then i always used eigther a 45-70 Marlin1895SS with 405gr Bullets or a dobble barrelled shot-gun with15''barrells and i always used Brenneke slugs or if i could get my hands on some italien Para solengo express slugs in my 12GA.My uncle who is one of the most successful Pig hunter in Austria lost one leg due to a feisty boar,who would not die after being hit twice with a 8-68S.So please do use caution and enough gun and bullet combination when playing with wounded pigs.
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2004, 08:14:49 PM »
I've had a lot more to do with bear than boar but to me they are about the same when they are wounded, They don't seem to show pain very often and yes Greg i agree with you when it comes to wallering around in the mud with a hog, JUST DON'T DO IT cause it may hurt. good luck.
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2004, 01:41:51 AM »
after  2 times  ladt  year stopping hogs  at  a  dead  straight line  at  me  i  now  hunt  from elevated areas  lol  it  is  surprising how quickm  a  pig  really  is
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2004, 05:19:00 AM »
I have finished a couple of wounded hogs and every time I used a 12 gauge with either foster or Brenneke slugs.  No matter if the fosters break up or not they deliver a awesome wound to the head of a hog, or a shoulder or anywhere at close range.  My hoggin is done near Palestine and we got thickets just like Howie's got.  I also have a 45-70 Marlin but for quick up close my Winchester 1300 pump gets the nod everytime for the same reason Howie likes his mosberg.
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