You shotgun guys, if you reload, you can make sabot slugs really cheap. I cast my own with the lyman mould and they fit in a wad cup. no more leading! They look like a BIG air gun pellet and when cast from wheel weights, are very hard and penetrate very good. I tried some in a rifled barrel on my mossberg [just like howies], and got a ragged hole at 25 yards. I would be happy to share more info if anyone is interested. I also loaded some light, and they are very pleasant to shoot!