Author Topic: coyote snaring help (Read 1531 times)

jumptrp · « **on:** January 13, 2003, 10:01:03 AM »

hi all, i am involved with a snaring study here in wisconsin and would like ANY advice on how to use them for coyote

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:48:59 PM »

Newt will surely respond to your post, I hope so anyhow. For a western aproach to snares I recommend getting Slim Pedersons book on snaring. He's on the net but I can't find his address; T-man might have it for you. The other person to talk with is John Graham of Fur Country Lures (406)-557-6167, I think this number is still good; he runs 1100 snares 24/7 all for coyotes. Between the three you should be able to loop your yotes in good order. I run a snare line but you best go right to the top for your instruction.

Newt · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2003, 03:54:13 PM »

I dont want to be rude.But your question is a big one.Meaning that a book could be wrote on it.AND just by chance all three of us that Wackeyquacker menchened all have a book or two out on that subject.
Now if you have a question on something more spicific.I could give you a answer.
Dont get me wrong I am willing to help if I can.

jumptrp · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2003, 01:03:15 PM »

sorry guys time is short and i have only 14 days to do this study... i have set out a number of bait piles in tall grass and marsh areas. Some areas are about an acre in size and others just small grass areas in farm country. Our laws read that we can set only 50' minimum back away from these piles. Loop size and how to set support wires would be a start. THANKS

Newt · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2003, 01:37:35 PM »

Let the coyotes make there own trails to the bait pile. It's best to set the trail that the coyotes made leaving the set.There bellys are full and they are less leary on the way out. A good place to start with loop size is 10"-12" and the same up from the walking surface to the bottom of the loop. I use 14ga. wire doubled and twisted together to supore my snares. Bend a -S- in the wire and weave the snare cable in it.I cant Discride this very well.So I wont even try.The best I can tell you is -It's in the book- I have demo-ed this all over the country so if any body can help out here. Go ahead and, THANKS

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2003, 02:31:13 PM »

Let me try to help discribe what I think Newt means...think Pig tail or a stretched spring. If your snares have wammys you can just stick the wire into the wammy.

I hang snares any way I can. In some situations I use Standouts but since you've got to be done in two weeks you'er best to stick with Newts twisted wire.

One other thing, I'd stay back a bit further than 50 feet. More like 50 too 100 yards depending on cover. You'll spoke the yotes that aren't hung. This might even be worse if you are not using a killing snare (I read your post to have little chance for entanglement), i.e., a dead coyote dosen't seem to scare off the next guy as much as one that is still fighting the snare.

jumptrp · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2003, 05:49:51 PM »

THANKS GUYS!! I NOW UNDERSTAND SOME

WE WERE SUPPLIED WITH RELAXING SNARES AND NOT ALLOWED TO ENTANGLE AS WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE USE OF SNARES IN THIS STATE AND THIS IS A STUDY TO PROVE HOW HUMANE A SNARE CAN BE ..THANKS FOR THE TIPS .... KEEP EM COMING

coyotero · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2003, 08:49:44 PM »

John Graham taught me how to snare.Use a 12" loop,12" off the ground ,dead center in the trail.Use 14ga. wire as a support.Set up all the trails going into the baits.John runs 2000-3000 snares,mostly fence snares.Good luck.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2003, 12:25:10 PM »

Just a quick thought, John Graham has been very active in this arena; snares as a humane technique. Please contact him for his insights...I'm certian that you will be received warmly and will get a bunch on the ball from him.

Personally, I think a killing snare without entanglement is more humane, that is they die very fast particularly if you use long snares. Many times the area is not torn up at all!

Snareman · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2003, 09:09:28 PM »

Excuse me, but it seems to me if you were involved in some sort of study, I would think you would have enough experience and credible background to be chosen for a task like that. I am familiar with a studies in several states....in WI too. You must be talking of a different snare study, because this one I'm thinking of wouldn't use snareman with limited experience and to ask a simple question, such as you ask, makes me think this study isn't official. I have nothing against you. In fact, I admire those willing to take on the learning curve required to be a consistent fur taker using snares. I'm just confused about this study. Why would a rookie be involved in a study? In similar studies, many trappers and snareman are "hand picked" by their experience to ensure proper, credible and accurate feedback is attained.

Please explain this study more. I look forward in your reply post.

Thank you for your time.
-snareguy :?

jumptrp · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2003, 07:01:26 PM »

snareguy: this is a legitimate study and i was looking for any and all advice i can recieve...... as we all know information is th key to success and that was what i was looking for. As for getting snare men, we have none here as snares are not legal yet in Wisconsin. I do have enough knowledge to put critters in foot holds but not much on snaring tactics. This study is being conducted in hopes that our state will allow the use of snares by showing how humane they can be. there were 33 trappers here that volunteered to do this study,and most are trappers education instructors, in hopes that what knowledge we have we can pass along to the next genertion. That is why i have asked for any and all help offered so I can pass along knowledge to my students. I am sure we ALL have made errors and in doing this i was hoping to eliminate some of these. If i have raised the hackels on some folks i appologise but it is with helpful hints and points of view that I hope to keep the trapping fraternity allive with proper knowledge that i can pass along to the kids ... thanks ...off my soap box now

Newt · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2003, 02:58:10 AM »

Jumbtrp, give me a call. I can help more by talking than typing.609-748-3541

Snareman · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2003, 06:47:19 PM »

jumptrp,

Thanks for your upfront reply.

However, I'm still a little worried as your study should have provided you with all the correct information you need and wouldn't advise any info. outside that info. unless the variables are known. I could not possibly give you information without knowing the FULL details of this study. I mean FULL details!

There should have been pre-set guidelines for you to follow. Although I may grasp what the study requires, I am not going to make any assumptions.

I wish you luck with your studies. They are very important as the future of snaring in your state just may rely on your study group's outcome...a lot of weight to bare.
-snareguy